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The Legion need a buff
Simply put, the Legion are at their worst nowadays. Casual games turn into literal hell, always culminating with the survivors t-bagging at the exit gates, and it's not because you can't do stuff, but simply because the Killer in question themselves are awfully, excruciatingly weak. Feral Frenzy can be countered by literally holding the running buttons and simply running away, while Deep Wound applied by Feral Slash doesn't put any pressure on the survivors and slow the game down by just a few measly seconds while they mend (they simply won't mend and will body block the healthy survivor while you chase them, therefore completely blocking your power and making you a basic m1 killer) – and for this aforementioned situation, you HAVE to waste your time and run around the map, trying to hit survivors whose footprints and pools of blood you literally can't see for whatever reason (which at times makes it awfully difficult to even start chain hitting survivors even when you play against mediocre ones). The speed the Legion gains when entering Feral Frenzy is not enough to traverse the map and hunt faraway survivors down, sometimes even with Never-Sleep Pills or Mischief List add-ons. The Legion cannot apply any palpable pressure on the survivors if the survivors scatter around the map (every decent survivor team will do so and therefore make the game unplayable immediately), so your last resort becomes a build designed for comeback during endgame, for example, "No way out" and "Hex: No one escapes death", but even such builds are so easily counterable that you cannot rely on them.
To elaborate, the Killer in question themselves are extremely flaccid even when it comes to downing injured people, as the Legion in a standard chase can do literally nothing but try to hit a survivor with a basic m1 attack, which makes them literally the worst killer in chases in the entire game, as they simply have no options to attempt in chase when out of their power.
The Legion need a buff, and to be exact – a few buffs of their power, aimed specifically on making them more consistent in map traversal, applying pressure and catching up to survivors in order to use Feral Frenzy stably.
To summarize, the Legion, in my humble opinion, currently are, to say the least, ALMOST the worst killer in the game, and they could use a few buffs the most.
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Maybe after they buff Pig.
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No. Trapper, Myers and Freddy needs a buff/rework.
Skull Merchant needs to be deleted, She can't take these guys' place.
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The Legion's problems are baked into them. Unless they get rebuilt from the ground up (like an entirely new power), Legion will always suck.
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Well, I agree with you on all those, but my point is that the Legion are bad as well. I'm not trying to say that they're the only killer that need to get a buff, this post was more like a cry of my heart. To play as the Legion nowadays is to willingly torment your nerves and soul ruthlessly. In my opinion, they're on a level with the killers you've mentioned, the Trapper, Freddy and Myers. Literally the worst killers in the entire game. BHVR really need to buff 'em all, just as they did with Hag, Huntress (I don't get why did they do that with her specifically tbh) and Doctor.
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Not gonna happen, I'm afraid. BHVR are busy making skins for the Oni.
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they buff pig last patch :)
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Well, they used to be strong back in the day, when they could actually hit one survivor multiple times in order to down them. Maybe the devs could bring it back, but do something so that it doesn't become too frustrating for survivors. They can make it so that Legion does not immediately exit their power when they hit a survivor with a deep wound, or whatever. There is always a way, the devs are just couch potatoes in this regard.
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It was more of a nerf rather than a buff imho. The devs just did what had to be done to her, because that lunge was so weak and useless that all decent Pigs would just exit their power instead of lunging at survivors. The nerf of jigsaw boxes was not necessary at all.
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I'm sure we'll get a Legion buff one day. I mean, BHVR are buffing every other Killer in the game. Even The Huntress and she didn't need any buffs.
We'll just need to wait until after The Twins rework.
Maybe...
(And to be fair, they were probably at their worst during the MFT days).
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Actually Legion got many buffs and a full add-on pass not long ago.
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Legion is great. Just because the average killer refuses to use anything but Thana/Dying Light/Corrupt that's a skill issue.
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This just makes it extra amusing that MfT basically hard counters Legion now.
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But that was more than a year ago. And also before I started playing, so I only have the current state of Legion to go by. Besides, who in their right mind doesn't want to see their main get some buffs?
I was just about to post your suggestions thread here but you beat me to it!
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I'll be honest, I'd be okay if Frenzy moved 5% faster then it currently does, but other then that, Legion is in a really good place
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Nuh-uh they're simply not.
Thana? Does anyone use Thana these days? The perk got nerfed into oblivion.
Dying Light might prove useful, but I just can't agree with your whole point.
You cannot just run a build dedicated fully to slowing down the game, survivors will simply gen rush nevertheless (if they're decent survivors) while you chase somebody without any power or ability in a chase except m1 attack when you're out of your power. This simply cannot be "great".
You can use Spirit Fury and Enduring with Iridescent Button, but at times even this combination isn't enough. I mean, just play Legion on high MMR and you'll surely get why I made this post.
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They could use a speed buff and a duration buff in my opinion, or even receive a complete rework. On larger maps, the Legion without any duration add-ons are simply try hard killer.
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Bro are you real? My condolences and respect for playing one of the weakest killers in the game and even making content out of it. As for your list of changes, I agree with the tweaks you suggested, the inspiration for this post was your exact opinion in this regard and my own experience with this killer.
I simply can't understand the dudes implying that this killer are "decent" or even "great" currently, they're simply not, especially on high MMR.
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We honestly need the devs to somehow notice this post and pay attention to my notes and your buff suggestions (the best list of suggested changes I've seen for the Legion so far).
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What if Legion's only buff was 4.7m speed? Personally, I agree. In the first place, this killer is ultimately M1, so unless the survivor makes a mistake, they will inevitably lose time.
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It's not because you struggle at your favourite killer that they immediately need buffs.
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Play Legion on high MMR and you'll get why I made this post.
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Time is almost always on the survivors side before the endgame collapse. While you waste time and chase a single survivor who takes their time to loop you on every pallet, the others will do the gens, eventually making you lose. It's not Legion's base movement speed that is bad, it's their mediocre power that almost never happens to get even the slightest chance to be used decently and, moreover, give you a down.
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What's really nice about these changes is none of them really buff Legion with any crazy gameplay revolutionising affects... they all just make Legion smoother and less clumsy.
Not so hot on the Oblivious Killer Instinct part, only because in SoloQ you can't hide from Legion most of the time, and if you're being tunnelled, he can chain hits to find you, so pre-running to tiles can keep you alive. Being made Oblivious means you can't pre-run, but also at least means he can't track you with FF... and this change removes that...
However wouldn't be a deal breaker really, and all other buffs are an unconditional yes.
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There's a reason why loops buy you time. And any overlooking the slight effects of haste, including dev. It is common knowledge among most decent players that Legion is currently a low-ranking M1 killer. And I haven't mentioned anything about it developing into Endgame. I'm just talking about the pros and cons.
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He's alright.
The issue is that, save for add-on changes, you can't really buff him because they never really addressed his issues. They just kinda, idk, swept them out of the way and since they weren't bothering people anymore; they forgot about them.
Until he gets a real rework, he isn't ever going to be strong without being SM levels of hated.
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Nah dude, that was a horrible time... Nothing of this should return.
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It is a weird statement to say just because it is your main killer it should get buffed? That's just very biased. When talking about balance you should always take both sides into account.
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High MMR is never an argument, simply because it basically does not exist... Matchmaking is still to inconsistent to talk about high mmr.
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The game matchmaking is literally fully based on MMR system. The game awards you with MMR score after each session you participate in, based on the amount of actions performed, chases won/lost and stuff, you get the idea.
The point is that the Legion cannot compete against decent survivor teams, their power is just too flaccid and weak, just as I've said in my post. I wanted to stress on the fact that it becomes even more palpable and notable when you play against good survs, as they can counter you by simply running away.
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Agree. I simply wanted to say that it's just possible for the devs to come up with something.
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MMR only applies escapes or deaths in 4 seperate 1v1, always killer vs each seperate survivor... You could hide in a corner for the entire map and do nothing, but if all gens get finished and you escape this counts as a win... So none of those actions you mentioned have impact on this, the amount of mmr apparently gets influenced a bit more by some things, for you to lose less if you help a teammate escape or something, but it does not get turned into a win. When I said mmr basically does not exist I meant that the soft cap is so easy to reach that a wide range of players can match each other, which leads to mmr basically not working in the sense of putting equally skilled players together.
Yeah sure, for example against comp players Legion cant do anything, however what I said before still applies, you barely get 4 really good survivors against which you cannot do anything, usually there will be a weak link that you can go for and ein the match off of that. Legion is in a good enough spot for that. It's just that the whole concept the killer revolves around cannot be made too strong, just because of how simple he is to play, there is not really much depth to legion... The only thing I can think of that you maybe won't learn in the first 10 min of playing him is the legion tech, but other than that the killer is as simple as it gets, there is really not much of a killer specific skill cap. (I phrased it that way to explicitly exclude m1 killer gameplay, as you will almost exclusively get your downs by doing that, because unless the survivors majorly mess up you won't get 5 hits in frenzy.)
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i really dont now if legion really needs buffs or if they need buffs how to buff them but the first idea that came to my mind was that i would like legion to be the fastest killer in the game without using there power. not like super fast but like 5% or so faster then any other killer so you really feel like that killer where running is there whole thing.
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...You have a point. I had a very outdated/wrong picture of the mmr system, it appears.
But it's rare occasion to find a weakling in a comp survivor team. And when it does happen (once in a blue moon), the stronger ones will literally do anything to protect the weakling from dying (body block, abuse of second chance perks, flashlights, etc.). The Legion cannot do anything in such cases, too. They simply cannot punish survivors enough to be even fearsome or threatening at least to some extent.
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Tatariu has commented above on this thread, providing with the link to his and the community's ideas on how the devs could make the Legion better. The tweaks suggested there work to treak survivors into mending while the Legion's Feral Frenzy is active (from what I understand), make the power gauge stop depleting when breaking walls or gens during Feral Frenzy (basically Frank's Mixtape add-on made basekit), and buff Legion's power running speed, also providing them with the sight on pools of blood. I personally find those quite appealing and sufficient – something that won't break the in-game balance and will impove the Legion's performance drastically.
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This is simply not true. Tatairu(?) has an excellent thread floating around with a bunch of common sense buffs that'd make legion less frustrating to play.
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Sure you won't have a weak link in a comp team, but why do you think you should be able to win against a comp team? Or even have a reasonable chance, unless you are a comp player yourself? And then even more on such an easy to master killer like legion?
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I mean the guy kind of has a point... Legion is a very simple killer, and his power to just run after people and hit with his increased speed will always have the issue of little counterplay, except for stuns and blinds and distance there is not much you can do about it, not really a method to outplay him with your superior skill or looping ability while in his power. And if you buff his power you just decrease what people can do against him while in frenzy... And that is pretty much an issue with the concept of his power... It does not really have much depth, not really things you could change to give Legion a higher skill ceiling or whatever, just because of how simple his power is.
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Are you simply implying that it's completely normal to not have a single chance against a comp surv team? Don't you think that it sounds quite disrespectful towards the killer, who in this situation appears to be wasting their time being a whipping doll for survivors in a game that's supposed to be fun for both sides?
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Should you as an ordinary chess player have a reasonable chance to win against a master or grandmaster chess player? Should you have a reasonable chance to outrun Usain bolt? To beat Serral in Starcraft 2?
Come on man there is a huge skill difference between both parties... Should a comp player on legion have a reasonable chance to beat a comp 4 men team? Yeah ofc because both parties are of similar skill.
I dont think it is disrespectful, it is sad because the matchmaking gives the player that opponent, but you should not have the expectation to win against someone that is simply much better than you are. I would even go as far to say if there was a killer that was so strong that you as a normal killer could win against a 4 men comp team then this killer would be beyond busted as it is able to bridge such a huge skill difference.... Wink wink old skull merchant holding team eternal hostage for like an hour ;)
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I main legion and I have zero issues with him. Especially with mindbreaker.
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I play Legion a lot and he is not really that weak... You simply need to use some chase perks (I really like Enduring, Spirit Fury).
Overall Enduring is really strong perk for him, because you can leap under a pallet and often end on same side as survivor and just turn around and basically instadown them.
I don't think Legion need major changes, otherwise he would become massive noob stomper -> even more than now.
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Not to be offensive, but your whole point is wrong, just because chess or running against Usain Bolt and DBD aren't the same things. Chess is a game where two players are in fair conditions, 1v1, while DBD, in our case, puts the Killer (Legion, who can't do a thing without their mediocre power that they can't use normally if the survivors don't let them) in an unfair position against a whole team of four.
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Well, I main Legion too and notice plethora of problems with them, just as pro Legion players like Tatariu do.
But I understand, people have different experiences.
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yeah i really need to farm those damn blood points to get spiritfury and enduring on my legion maybe even a iri button and that can be a really fun time
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I've mentioned Spirit Fury and Enduring in my post. I agree that this combination goes hard, but it's not enough if you're going against decent survivors, not noobs or low mmr players.
I also agree that the Legion don't need any fundamental changes, they just need some tweaks of their add-ons and power, something that will just make them better, while keeping their performance bearable for noobies who don't know how to counter them.
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The was not about whether it is possible, but whether it should be possible... Should you be able to bridge such a huge gap in skill if the game was balanced?
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it's not enough if you're going against decent survivors, not noobs or low mmr players.
You can defeat most survivors even on high MMR, unless it's terrible map like The Game, or Garden of Joy. But that's true for most killers.
It starts to be bad only when you meet tournament level squads, who will bodyblock you while in mending state. If you meet that good survivors, you are going to lose with most killers anyway. Even more so after gen changes.
I just think there are killers that need changes way more than Legion. I am quite happy with their current state. There is few addons that could be changed, but there are killers who need it way more.
Sadly then you see buff to Huntress instead, for some reason....
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The only thing I really want to see from a Legion buff is to make their power not completely useless once a survivor is dead. Even just being able to down a deep wounded survivor at the cost of ending Frenzy early would be perfect for me.
I still like Legion despite that though.
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