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Pig's New Ambush...
...seems to last forever!
There are a few neat tricks you can do with it now on certain structures / more mind games available.
I dunno if it makes up for the loss of box auras, but after trying it out, it is definitely way better than people were making it out to be.
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The box aura loss was a huge nerf to her strongest feature.
The ambush buff while nice and long requested has left a bitter taste since it’s overshadowed to me by the box nerf. Her ambush while better is still pretty bad. There’s very few instances where the buff has made a difference. Most loops it’s useful on they were already unsafe enough you could’ve just played it for the m1. Where you really need a good anti loop is on the super safe loops where you can’t do that, of which her ambush still isn’t getting you on a hit on. Bar a few very small exceptions.
The buff is pretty meaningless from my testing. Even trying to push it to its max by stacking addons for it..still lacking.
I would way rather have old Pig. This was a Pig nerf in my eyes and I play Pig a lot. I had over 100 win streak with her. I think a lot of people think this is a buff because they don’t know how Pig is played in high mmr.
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ah yes the most fun part of a killer being killed by secondary objective cheese
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Everyone jumps to assuming it was cheese. There was a lot of interaction here that had nothing to do with cheese at all. As soon as you defend box auras people immediately assume you just want to tunnel a person out following them from box to box..that’s not what’s happening.
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That is what’s happening. And it always was what’s happening. In fact, it’s still happening. It’s not a huge nerf when all you have to do is have a vague idea of box spawns.
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Well seeing as how you need to down a person to put a helmet on them yes it would be tunneling to then go and push them off boxes instead of going after other survivors. Or would you be referring to how scream perks constantly reset progress on boxes
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What other advantage does seeing box auras give? You do it to patrol boxes to stop someone from being able to take their trap off and put them in an unwinnable situation.
You can STILL do that now but it's at least a fair bit harder now.
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Pressuring gens, chasing and checking boxes isn’t cheesing or tunneling. The person with the trap times their boxes when I’m checking gens or chasing another survivor. Simply ignoring boxes entirely and only using them as a passive slow down is why no one sees Pigs in high mmr, because playing her like that is unviable.
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It is absolutely not unwinnable whatsoever. I’m not talking about following them around and camping boxes. Pressuring gens, chasing and checking boxes gives them opportunities if they’re good at knowing when to commit as I’m in chase or checking gens. Just using RBTs as passive slow down is unviable.
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As it was already clear from PTB, Pig is now pretty solid in chase.
In fact, there is little outside predroping most pallets now. Leaving the loop is often no option and looping is also deadly.
People who cried most likely have not tried her out.
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Memorize every box on every map..yeah..easy. No it’s not. It’s not like pinhead where you can pinpoint spawns based on you and the survivors game start.
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Her chase is bad, any pre drop that didn’t work before still doesn’t work now, hardly any loop has changed. If you’re getting hit by the charge there it was already a weak loop. Leaving the loop absolutely does work now nearly just as good as it did before.
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Not saying she is S-Tier now in chase but significantly better. And as the killer with arguably the best built in slowdown (maybe tie with Pinhead), she better should not have Slinger level of chase power.
Have you tried out Last Will and Workshop addon? They are working very well. Her crouch speed is also significantly faster, helps a lot at mid hight loops.
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Her anti loop is basically near worthless. I’m not asking for anywhere close to deathslinger levels, just viable at loops you couldn’t just go for an m1. I would’ve given her C tier for old Pig, now I’d give her D tier.
I did try stacking all those addons to try and push the most out of her ambush, still bad. You can leave all the loops you did before as soon as she crouches. Her crouch/in touch wasn’t improved enough to prevent then. The ambush also isn’t fast enough to get hits you weren’t getting before in most scenarios. It’s better yes, but taking some that doesn’t work and making it better can still have it not working, which is basically where I see the ambush at.
I understand people don’t want any pressure on boxes, I get that. However people need to understand that is the ONLY thing making her good whatsoever. Playing her without doing that she is worthless even with this ambush.
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Why is she weaker? Box auras are the only nerf to her and i could not care less.
They leave the loop unpunished? Without addons, crouching Pig is now almost the same speed as a survivor running speed. 3.8m/s if i am not mistaken. With brown addon, you are the same speed or even faster, i am not 100% sure tho. And not to mention that you can simply use her power when they do so.
No, what makes her good is not pressure on boxes but survivor wasting their time on them. Why would i even check boxes when i can hunt a survivor down while one is on the hook and the other is on the way to unhook? I have them exactly where i want them to be.
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It's really not. The point of the traps is not to kill a survivor it is to force them to do something other than sit on gens. If you are busy tunneling a guy with a trap, you are busy not pressuring the other 3 survivors who are working gens as a killer with no map pressure and only a halfway decent chase power.
The traps force the survivor to be off gens for a minimum of 30 seconds and an average of a minute across all traps.
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I wasn’t implying the point of a trap is to kill them. I’m also not tunneling someone out as people like to assume a lot here.
The point of the traps are to waste time and if pressured properly get survivors to make bad plays that you can capitalize on because they are worried about the timer. It allows you to catch them out positioned. If you’re solely playing Pig without ever pressuring boxes at all you’re playing her wrong. Without pressuring boxes whatsoever she’s down in D tier at best. Pressuring boxes is the only way she’s viable at higher mmr. Telling people not to pressure boxes is telling them to play in an unviable way that loses them games. And again, I’m not talking about following someone around and tunneling them out at boxes, I’m saying to added boxes into your rotation of gens and chasing.
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I'm loving her new changes. on a 30+ streak running a chase piggy build. grease & will make the ambush kinda scary. I never care for the cheese strats of the boxes but she can still do them. You can still run scream builds with longer search time and cheese a win. You can still harass people off of boxes after working out the spawn locations. I can see it being a net loss to people who was heavily dependent on the box aura reading but i think the pig looking solid after much playing.
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Well we’re limited on addons here. Are we running both ambush addons? Crouch move addon? Crouch animation speed addon? We aren’t getting all these at the same time. You also in most circumstances cannot see over the loop when you crouch to know instantly if they are breaking away or not.
Only utilizing her traps for passive slow down forever keeps the person playing her out of high mmr. That play style is not going to be able to compete against actually good teams of 4 mans.
The only way she’s viable against better 4 man groups is having the aura on boxes to split pressure and play the heavy macro game that forces them to out position themselves against a basic m1 killer.
I understand you and other don’t want her to ever pressure boxes whatsoever, I get it. However by not doing that you are relegating her to trash tier and simply unviable against better teams. I want to be viable against good teams.
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Boxes are usually not near gens. So if you are do anything other than accidentally running into the survivor with a trap and then hitting/downing them, you are doing it wrong. With the exception of endgame after gens are done of course. But its rare for you to have traps on people at that point if you are playing her correctly.
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it´s cool but... survivor can still just drop the pallet or jump a window to make you useless, i´m disappointed tbh :/
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I love Pig's new Ambush, it feels really good and it's nice to finally not have to run Workshop Grease and Last Will for an actually oppressive Ambush.
One thing I miss that the changes nerfed indirectly is endgame Piggy, which required scouting the jigsaw boxes as much as possible. There should be an add-on that shows jigsaw box auras when 1 generator is left and when the exit gates are powered, with the added bonus of making inactive RBTs pop survivors that try to escape through the exit gates. Would make for a cool purple add-on.
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Oink
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Last will is trap add-on. the 33% decrease in charge time means that you stand still longer making you lose as much distance as movement speed gained.
My build with pig currently is Face the darkness+BBQ. I don't really notice the box aura change at all. I still ambush survivors just as well as before at boxes. The add-on I am using are Workshop Grease+Crate of gears. Pig can still get head-pops by focusing on head-pop add-on's, so I don't think much changed for pig.
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