Attacks on injured survivors with NOED/DH shouldn't give an exposed notification.
Edit: Also change lullaby so it doesn't give survivors notifications either. Until it effects them of course.
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Those perks should just be removed from the game then, change my mind.
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All I see when DH is typed it dead hard lol. Hex: Dead Hard sounds kinda funny.
Why shouldn't there be a notification? An injured survivor is still a hit and it notifies you of a hit that could 1 down you.4 -
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Survivors get too much of such information. But will probably ot be removed.
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Just an FYI Radient, I was using devour hope. I included NOED because it functions similarly and the change would be a mechanical one not a perk specific one.Myerinodudd said:Git gut and stop using noed0 -
@powerbats said:
Those perks should just be removed from the game then, change my mind.I won't let you!
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Don't use crutch perks like NOED.
Once you have DH 3 stacks it's already over for the survivors, so it doesn't matter.0 -
Erm that would make them op seeing as there hexs and hex perks always notify players1
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Don't use crutch perks like NOED.
Once you have DH 3 stacks it's already over for the survivors, so it doesn't matter.But it's absolutely fine that at least 50% of survivors are running Adrenaline, the survivor equivalent, right?
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I don't think it should count only when it's the legion in frenzy , he can't down you with one frenzy hit but it notifies you of noed and can be cleansed sometimes before he gets to use it if they get an early notification on something that really hasn't presented itself0
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Man opens trash can and is surprised to find trash.EntityDispleased said:
That's the absolute perfect response I'd expect from radiant. To be fair I'm not surprised, I expected a little hypocrisy.Myerinodudd said:
Oh you right i should use dejavu,alert,left behind and slippery meat instead of DH and adrenalineEntityDispleased said:
Says the guy that brags about using DS, unbreakable and all other kind of "2nd chance" perks.Myerinodudd said:Git gut and stop using noed3 -
noed is a noob friendly perk.
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Nice strawman. Wanna talk about the weather while you are already on it to go offtopic?The_Manlet said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Don't use crutch perks like NOED.
Once you have DH 3 stacks it's already over for the survivors, so it doesn't matter.But it's absolutely fine that at least 50% of survivors are running Adrenaline, the survivor equivalent, right?
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
The_Manlet said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Don't use crutch perks like NOED.
Once you have DH 3 stacks it's already over for the survivors, so it doesn't matter.
But it's absolutely fine that at least 50% of survivors are running Adrenaline, the survivor equivalent, right?
Nice strawman. Wanna talk about the weather while you are already on it to go offtopic?
What strawman? NOED is a counter to adrenaline, one of the most popular perks. If you don't bring NOED they will probably get away thanks to Adrenaline. The two perks are inherently linked. Telling killers to not use NOED is basically just telling them to accept that if the survivors power the gates then they are entitled to a victory then and there even though the match isn't over yet.
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Highly agree that lullaby should not be a notification for simply working on a gen until it is actually in affect. Keep em guessing, is it Haunted Grounds? Maybeee (;
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Sigh, this community man..The_Manlet said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
The_Manlet said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Don't use crutch perks like NOED.
Once you have DH 3 stacks it's already over for the survivors, so it doesn't matter.
But it's absolutely fine that at least 50% of survivors are running Adrenaline, the survivor equivalent, right?
Nice strawman. Wanna talk about the weather while you are already on it to go offtopic?
What strawman? NOED is a counter to adrenaline, one of the most popular perks. If you don't bring NOED they will probably get away thanks to Adrenaline. The two perks are inherently linked. Telling killers to not use NOED is basically just telling them to accept that if the survivors power the gates then they are entitled to a victory then and there even though the match isn't over yet.
"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent." (source: Wikipedia)
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Okay, its a waste of time to do so, just because survivors already know that noed and dh are in play when suddenly somebody goes down in one hit and no chainsaw is to be heard
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That's. Why. I. Specified. For. Injured. Survivors.ToxicFengM1n said:Okay, its a waste of time to do so, just because survivors already know that noed and dh are in play when suddenly somebody goes down in one hit and no chainsaw is to be heard
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IIRC, Lullaby used to not give Survivors notifications until they were affected by it. I think a patch bugged it and it hasn't been fixed yet. But yeah, I agree on not notifying Survivors of NOED and DH if an injured Survivor is hit instead of a healthy one.
@EntityDispleased said:
@Myerinodudd said:
EntityDispleased said:
Myerinodudd said:Git gut and stop using noed
Says the guy that brags about using DS, unbreakable and all other kind of "2nd chance" perks.
Oh you right i should use dejavu,alert,left behind and slippery meat instead of DH and adrenaline
That's the absolute perfect response I'd expect from radiant. To be fair I'm not surprised, I expected a little hypocrisy.
He's also the person who said Scratched Mirror Myers was OP based on one video of marth88 playing him on Lery's (the only good map for that build).
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Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it.
As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
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I was playing as legion and one of them played it smart and stayed injured, he was who I happened to find. Try again.thesuicidefox said:Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it.
As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
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@Cetren said:
thesuicidefox said:Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it.
As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
I was playing as legion and one of them played it smart and stayed injured, he was who I happened to find. Try again.
Then you got outplayed. Try again.
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That doesn’t soud too bad. Bet I could survive EZ PZ with those perks.Myerinodudd said:
Oh you right i should use dejavu,alert,left behind and slippery meat instead of DH and adrenalineEntityDispleased said:
Says the guy that brags about using DS, unbreakable and all other kind of "2nd chance" perks.Myerinodudd said:Git gut and stop using noed0 -
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.thesuicidefox said:Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it.
As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
This should just be a QoL update. In reality, you wouldn’t know the Killer has H:NoED or H:DH if he hits an injured Survivor. It’d look like a normal down. The same goes for H:HL, the skill checks before the first stack are normal skill checks. You shouldn’t know there is a Hex Totem.2 -
@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it.
As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.
Yes if you don't want it to proc on the injured guy then chase someone else. Otherwise accept that you will give away that you have a one shot on someone that's already one shot. Like I said, NM guy is there to sponge your one shots. If you waste your first hit on me that's YOUR mistake.
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I think it lohical that sirvs shouldnt get a warning that didnt happen, no double damage, no exposed warning0
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You act like the Killer has a limited amount of M1 attacks. You can’t “waste” a hit. Any down is a benefit to the Killer.thesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it.
As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.
Yes if you don't want it to proc on the injured guy then chase someone else. Otherwise accept that you will give away that you have a one shot on someone that's already one shot. Like I said, NM guy is there to sponge your one shots. If you waste your first hit on me that's YOUR mistake.
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@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:
Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it. As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.
Yes if you don't want it to proc on the injured guy then chase someone else. Otherwise accept that you will give away that you have a one shot on someone that's already one shot. Like I said, NM guy is there to sponge your one shots. If you waste your first hit on me that's YOUR mistake.
You act like the Killer has a limited amount of M1 attacks. You can’t “waste” a hit. Any down is a benefit to the Killer.
Oh no? You're Myers, tier 3. Chasing someone at full health. You swing, but then me, the NM guy, jumps out and sponges the hit. The healthy guy gets away. You are forced to take my hook because I'm NM guy. You hook me, your tier 3 expires. You effectively wasted your one shot.
You have NOED. You are chasing me, NM guy, at the end of the trial. Last gen pops then you hit me. Now everyone knows you have NOED and you wasted the surprise on the guy that was already 1 hit. You would have been better off with probably any other perk.
You have MYC. But me, the NM guy, rushes hooks and eats your MYC. You never get a one shot on anyone because the guy that's permanently one shot sponged it.
You have Haunted Grounds. Chasing me, NM guy. It procs mid-chase. You catch me and are forced to take my hook right away or lose it (because I get up and don't leave blood for you to find me if you slug). By the time you find the next guy, HG is gone. WASTED.
You can definitely waste a hit if it's supposed to be a one shot. Killers NEVER realize this about NM guy, but it can seriously screw you over if you have a one shot and never get to use it on anyone. NM guy is always one shot, so your NOED/MYC/HG/EW tier 3 is irrelevant.
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Noed is that one perk that changes a games end. A killer could get like 0 hooks the entire game and lose all chases, but wait a minute! Hes got Noed! Now he gets the full 4 man cuz of that speed buff and one hits. Also dont say Noed is a counter to Adreniline, dont sugar coat noed as just a counter. I dont use none of these perks cuz they are scummy and Adreniline is one of those perks thats a end game use rather than the entire trial. Same as noed, but Noed effects everyone and lasts untill its destroyed.1
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They should remove all notifications once you get out the 20-16 zone imo, I'd like to have to be aware again instead of being told everything.0
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@Cetren said:
ToxicFengM1n said:Okay, its a waste of time to do so, just because survivors already know that noed and dh are in play when suddenly somebody goes down in one hit and no chainsaw is to be heard
That's. Why. I. Specified. For. Injured. Survivors.
I DON'T READ THE TITLE I READ THE DESCRIPTION
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you should be told you're exposed the moment you're exposed change my mind1
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I think that's a REALLY small price to pay to have som1 that is a one shot the entire gamethesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:
Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it. As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.
Yes if you don't want it to proc on the injured guy then chase someone else. Otherwise accept that you will give away that you have a one shot on someone that's already one shot. Like I said, NM guy is there to sponge your one shots. If you waste your first hit on me that's YOUR mistake.
You act like the Killer has a limited amount of M1 attacks. You can’t “waste” a hit. Any down is a benefit to the Killer.
Oh no? You're Myers, tier 3. Chasing someone at full health. You swing, but then me, the NM guy, jumps out and sponges the hit. The healthy guy gets away. You are forced to take my hook because I'm NM guy. You hook me, your tier 3 expires. You effectively wasted your one shot.
You have NOED. You are chasing me, NM guy, at the end of the trial. Last gen pops then you hit me. Now everyone knows you have NOED and you wasted the surprise on the guy that was already 1 hit. You would have been better off with probably any other perk.
You have MYC. But me, the NM guy, rushes hooks and eats your MYC. You never get a one shot on anyone because the guy that's permanently one shot sponged it.
You have Haunted Grounds. Chasing me, NM guy. It procs mid-chase. You catch me and are forced to take my hook right away or lose it (because I get up and don't leave blood for you to find me if you slug). By the time you find the next guy, HG is gone. WASTED.
You can definitely waste a hit if it's supposed to be a one shot. Killers NEVER realize this about NM guy, but it can seriously screw you over if you have a one shot and never get to use it on anyone. NM guy is always one shot, so your NOED/MYC/HG/EW tier 3 is irrelevant.
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In either case its NOT the entire game though. Its even shorter when the notification pops up prematurely for hitting an injured survivor.artist said:
I think that's a REALLY small price to pay to have som1 that is a one shot the entire gamethesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:
Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it. As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.
Yes if you don't want it to proc on the injured guy then chase someone else. Otherwise accept that you will give away that you have a one shot on someone that's already one shot. Like I said, NM guy is there to sponge your one shots. If you waste your first hit on me that's YOUR mistake.
You act like the Killer has a limited amount of M1 attacks. You can’t “waste” a hit. Any down is a benefit to the Killer.
Oh no? You're Myers, tier 3. Chasing someone at full health. You swing, but then me, the NM guy, jumps out and sponges the hit. The healthy guy gets away. You are forced to take my hook because I'm NM guy. You hook me, your tier 3 expires. You effectively wasted your one shot.
You have NOED. You are chasing me, NM guy, at the end of the trial. Last gen pops then you hit me. Now everyone knows you have NOED and you wasted the surprise on the guy that was already 1 hit. You would have been better off with probably any other perk.
You have MYC. But me, the NM guy, rushes hooks and eats your MYC. You never get a one shot on anyone because the guy that's permanently one shot sponged it.
You have Haunted Grounds. Chasing me, NM guy. It procs mid-chase. You catch me and are forced to take my hook right away or lose it (because I get up and don't leave blood for you to find me if you slug). By the time you find the next guy, HG is gone. WASTED.
You can definitely waste a hit if it's supposed to be a one shot. Killers NEVER realize this about NM guy, but it can seriously screw you over if you have a one shot and never get to use it on anyone. NM guy is always one shot, so your NOED/MYC/HG/EW tier 3 is irrelevant.
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the whole hex notification system should be removed.
it is eigther very unnecessary or gives away information way too easy, screwing certain perks and tactics.lets be honest here:
if i get a red skillcheck, i can tell that i am effected by ruin, so the notification is completely worthless, BESIDES the fact that it actually gives away the level of ruin (lvl 1 ruin will have a green picture in the notification. 2 and 3 are purple)
if i get oneshot by a normal attack, i can tell the killer has NOED / DH. yet again: very useless information. however, if i am injured or get hit by a oneshot ability (e.g. chainsaw or EW 3) i should not be getting this information, as it gives away the whole perk and makes survivors look out for it before i can get any real use out of it.
i can also tell that im affected by lullaby, just by listening to the skillcheck sound, but i dont need to know that as soon as i get a skillcheck, even before the perk is charged. fun fact: you get no notification for lullaby while healing, not even with stacks.
third seal and haunted grounds would also get a nice little surprise factor.
and i can tell that im exposed, when i hear the EW 3 music! by that logic, billy and LF should have the exposed effect pop up any time they charged their chainsaw. again: very unnecessary information.the whole notification system is just there to reward unaware survivors, by literally giving them all the information they need for free. they dont need to remember weather the guy who just got downed by the wraith was injured or not. they just get told that there is a totem to cleanse.
the only way where its actually usefull is for newbies. but even they will be able to tell that there is a hex upon them after very short time.
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@XavierBoah17 said:
Noed is that one perk that changes a games end. A killer could get like 0 hooks the entire game and lose all chases, but wait a minute! Hes got Noed! Now he gets the full 4 man cuz of that speed buff and one hits.If all survs were still alive and well and NOED turned it into a 4k, then that's a well deserved 4k since the survs must have messed up pretty bad.
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I don't think hexes should give a notification at all personally. Except on certain maps they are relatively easy to find. If totem spots weren't atrocious I could see giving notifications. And even still you can just detectives hunch or small game. If the notifications were removed it would actually take skill to know whether the killer is using a hex.0
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@artist said:
I think that's a REALLY small price to pay to have som1 that is a one shot the entire gameNot really. If every time you have a one shot available you use it on someone that's injured it's a waste. If I jump out and sponge your EW tier 3 when you were about to down another survivor, particularly the obsession, trust you will be singing a different tune.
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personally I wouldn't because it's a down regardless. I'd love if the injured guy kept throwing themself at me to "waste" my one shot. better that than him sitting on a gen insteadthesuicidefox said:@artist said:
I think that's a REALLY small price to pay to have som1 that is a one shot the entire gameNot really. If every time you have a one shot available you use it on someone that's injured it's a waste. If I jump out and sponge your EW tier 3 when you were about to down another survivor, particularly the obsession, trust you will be singing a different tune.
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@artist said:
thesuicidefox said:@artist said:
I think that's a REALLY small price to pay to have som1 that is a one shot the entire game
Not really. If every time you have a one shot available you use it on someone that's injured it's a waste. If I jump out and sponge your EW tier 3 when you were about to down another survivor, particularly the obsession, trust you will be singing a different tune.
personally I wouldn't because it's a down regardless. I'd love if the injured guy kept throwing themself at me to "waste" my one shot. better that than him sitting on a gen instead
You activated my trap card! No really a lot of killers think this way. It's not until the gates are powered and you have 0 hooks on everyone else, DS is still in play, and 90% of pallets are still up that you realize your mistake.
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the way he described it (the NM guy) would be the entire game I was just going off his examplesCetren said:
In either case its NOT the entire game though. Its even shorter when the notification pops up prematurely for hitting an injured survivor.artist said:
I think that's a REALLY small price to pay to have som1 that is a one shot the entire gamethesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:@KillerRaccoon said:
thesuicidefox said:
Maybe don't tunnel the injured guy when you have 3 stacks of Devour or NOED. Go after someone that's full health then you get some benefit from it. As a No Mither player it's my job to sponge your one shots. If you chase me when you have NOED then that's your mistake.
So you’re saying you should stop chasing someone because you have an insta-down M1, and try to find a healthy Survivor instead. Are you kidding.
Yes if you don't want it to proc on the injured guy then chase someone else. Otherwise accept that you will give away that you have a one shot on someone that's already one shot. Like I said, NM guy is there to sponge your one shots. If you waste your first hit on me that's YOUR mistake.
You act like the Killer has a limited amount of M1 attacks. You can’t “waste” a hit. Any down is a benefit to the Killer.
Oh no? You're Myers, tier 3. Chasing someone at full health. You swing, but then me, the NM guy, jumps out and sponges the hit. The healthy guy gets away. You are forced to take my hook because I'm NM guy. You hook me, your tier 3 expires. You effectively wasted your one shot.
You have NOED. You are chasing me, NM guy, at the end of the trial. Last gen pops then you hit me. Now everyone knows you have NOED and you wasted the surprise on the guy that was already 1 hit. You would have been better off with probably any other perk.
You have MYC. But me, the NM guy, rushes hooks and eats your MYC. You never get a one shot on anyone because the guy that's permanently one shot sponged it.
You have Haunted Grounds. Chasing me, NM guy. It procs mid-chase. You catch me and are forced to take my hook right away or lose it (because I get up and don't leave blood for you to find me if you slug). By the time you find the next guy, HG is gone. WASTED.
You can definitely waste a hit if it's supposed to be a one shot. Killers NEVER realize this about NM guy, but it can seriously screw you over if you have a one shot and never get to use it on anyone. NM guy is always one shot, so your NOED/MYC/HG/EW tier 3 is irrelevant.
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I made a post regarding Lullaby a week ago. I agree, I don’t think Survivors should receive a notification for it the second they first touch a generator. It makes more sense for the notification to pop up once it actually starts affecting them.1
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Although I hate NOED I understand the frustration it brings when adrenaline pops up.
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