2v8 is never being coming permanent
Unless Devs fill the matches with some bots to deflate the hour long queue times or bring down the 2v8 to 2v6 this mode is by far the most unsuccessful mode they made.
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Most unsuccessful? Did you forget about the trainwreck that was lights out?
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That worked way more then 2v8
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It never will be permanent anyway
Lights Out was great, I enjoyed it and it brought me back after months of not playing. If you didn't enjoy it then that is totally fine but not everyone shares that opinion.
I do not like this current mode, it is too killer sided and with MMR off I am tired of being matched with survivors who are absolutely clueless
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lights out was definitely one of the most unpopular modes they’ve done - glad you enjoyed it but the feedback was overwhelmingly negative.
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I mean, the wait times alone mean that this game mode is insanely popular... for killers.
If there's a failure in 2v8 it's that there's not enough incentive to play survivor. It's not like the game is somehow lacking 4 survivors for every 1 killer, that ratio hasn't changed a bit.
I suspect it's the novelty of kwf, so an incredible number of swf players are switching to killer for this mode.
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He enjoyed it because he is a killer main. The people complaining about Lights Out were survivors. So far, every game mode to release (besides Chaos Shuffle, which evened the playing field) has been largely killer-friendly and survivor-miserable. People, killer mains really, are advocating for bot replacements now because they recognize, I think, that these game modes are unfun foe survivor and have just given up trying to dupe survivors into perceiving these game modes as somehow better for them than killers.
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Mathieu Cote pretty much said Lights Out was not a success, that might be what I_CAME is referring to. He said they were surprised at how quickly everyone returned to the standard game after trying the mode.
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They say they will Bring the Game later Back with more Feedback and more Killer the next time. So this Mode will came Back. The Most people Like the Mode and this Game has Break the 100000 Player. So why they will destroy this Mode? ITS to good or too fun? The old Mode can Go. If the The 2 vs 8 Mode have more Killer the dlc will be bought the Same as the old Mode. The perk system is a clear mess everyone Like this Like controll and the broken builds that Bully the other Side. With the class and ability system they can better controll it. This Game will last Long with both mode or the old gone.
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This mode has severely impacted killer queue times in normal mode also. It honestly feels like I'm playing a dead game that you need to wait forever to get into a lobby.
This mode can't go on for the next 11 days it's literally making the game unplayable unless you want to be cannon fodder and suffer your way through solo queue 2v8 survivor games.
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None of these modes can ever become permanent, imho. They split the queues and it negatively impacts match-making in the standard mode because the game doesn't have a big enough player base to support extra modes.
Queue times notwithstanding, this is still the second best of the modifiers so far (for me, the best is Chaos Shuffle by a long way). I'd probably enjoy 2 vs 8 a lot more if I had a decent shot of getting into a Killer game fairly quickly, but I just can't be bothered waiting that long. They'll definitely need to do some work figuring out why the Killer queue times are so long (I have a few ideas why but I'd just be speculating). I'm sure they'll have the data to figure it out but I dunno if adding bots are the answer. Not too many players would like that solution.
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Neither Lights Out nor Chaos Shuffle were killer favorable modes. In fact both were massively survivor sided.
In Lights Out killers had no gen defense or detection tools which made tracking survivors pain and defending gens extremely difficult. Survivors however had more chests spawned on the map so most of the time they had either medkits or toolboxes at their disposal.
Chaos Shuffle could result into a perk set that wouldn't work for a killer, such as both no gen defense or detection. For survivors, the worst case would be no perks match but even then they could still perform well if killer had 4 perks that don't work together.
The only ones who complained were honestly bad survivor players who didn't want to adapt. For everybody else these modes were the blast. This 2v8 is also massively survivor favored, but since the concept of playing with killer team mate was much requested by both sides ( yeah, who could had thought? ) most players want to play as killer duo, including survivor mains, hence why it takes so much time to get a match. The only feasible solution here is to either convert this mode to 2v6 with addition of bots or do bot fill-ups for match search if it is taking more than 5 minutes.
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It should absolutely not be permanent. The queue times for anything but the cannon fodder role are atrocious, standard mode lacks incentives because the devs want to to funnel all available players to this mode and it's not even fun unless you're playing killer, which explains why the queue times are unbearable. If it became a monthly 2v8 weekend or something, that'd be fine, but it can't become permanent.
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lights out was extremely killer sided. I said Chaos Shuffle was even.
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I said when people were clamoring for it to be permanent before it even released; if BHVR can't find a way to get survivors on board, the mode is going to never go anywhere.
So far, that prediction feels 1000% accurate. BHVR can throw all the BP Bonus it wants at survivor but overall, most players seem to not really care for 2v8 on the survivor side. It's just really not fun for survivors and it does take two (or eight) to Tango.
I know the game spiked in player usage when the mode was released but I will be very curious to see what happens those numbers next week as the novelty for killers wears off (or even if it doesn't, the 15+ minute waits turn people off so much that they don't bother anymore). A mode that is bonkers popular but only for one side is a mode that can't survive.
Along with that, if you're so desperate to make a mode work that you have to fill it with bots because your players have no interest in playing the mode, your mode has failed miserably.
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Hardly a killer sided when killers had nothing where survivors had lots of chests to loot from.
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“but survivors had chests!!!1!2!” - Green_sliche
lol.
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I see, well I played a lot of it myself but hey I am fully aware that I am not the player base and my preference is subjective.
Personally I don't think I will be playing much if any more of this particular event since I am a survivor main these days (killer stresses me out too much) and it feels very killer sided.
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Most fun I've ever had in the game. I can't go back to 1v4 after this. If 2v8 doesn't stay I'll just quit.
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lmaooo not the green keys and maps winning survivor games 🤣. People forgets how the removal of perks was a free tunnel / camp without being able to counter it. 😂
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You really haven't played that mode.
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Well to rebalance and add more characters, they're going to shut down the game mode. And that's a good thing because if they keep the game mode, the que times of the normal mode are going to suffer.
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Yes it will increase killer queues, that means playing killer is really fun in this mode. It would be insane for them to not make this mode permanent because it's too popular.
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Unsuccessful? Have you seen the surge of players since it released?
I think we forget that the highlight is 2 killers can play with each other, so that's going to be the more popular angle, even if survivor were throws all the bonuses and shiny toys imaginable. (Unless of course they made the survivor role COMPLETELY broken, I guess?)
I mean, think about it. Killer queue times are insane right now because a surge of players are now able to play killer with someone else instead of alone after 8 years. Of course it's going to be popular no matter what and skew the queue times.1 -
The popularity of the mode is the problem. Killers spend more time in que and lobbies than they do playing the match. And because the new game mode needs 8 other people, 9 if you solo q, it requires many survivor players which in turn makes the killer que in the regular mode go up.
A game modes popularity will not matter if the game as a whole isn't playable for one role. No matter how many records it breaks, dbd will not have the playerbase to keep two game modes like these around permanently.
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Except the devs have said during the 2v8 livestream that the answer on if it will be permanent or not does not have a definitive answer yet, as this is just the first iteration of 2v8, from which they'll continue working on the mode based on the feedback they get from previous iterations regarding it.
Once the mode is polished and refined enough, then they'll begin considering if the mode is to become permanent or semi-permanent.
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If a mode doesn't appeal to both sides in a roughly equal manner, it's simply not sustainable, and I wouldn't exactly call that a success. There is no reason to play 2v8 survivor and it shows.
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something similar happened with Lights Out—survivors stopped queuing for it so killer queues became long.
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Except this situation is very different, because Lights Out was unpopular with survivors while 2v8 is extremely popular for both survivors and killers. There are tons of survivors queueing, it's just the ratio of killer/survivor went out of balance since so many survivor mains want to play killer with their friend now.
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I’m sorry Sinkra but I don’t believe this mode is as popular with survivors as it is with killers. And I don’t really see this changing..
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And which is still far less problem than killers having no perks
Killers doesn't work without perks, survivors can mostly perform just fine without perks, game is fundamentally flawed when we don't have perks
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None of these modes can ever become permanent, imho
Agreed. DbD does not have the playerbase to sustain multiple modes at once. I've been saying this for so long but noone ever wants to hear it. Matchmaking time in both modes has been horrendous as of late (although definitely way worse in 2v8).
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No because survivors don't have the perks to last longer in chases, second chance perks or gen rushing ones
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Survivors don't need perks to rush gens, do good chases, rescue and heal up especially when killers have no perks, killers do generally need perks because most of killers always lack something
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If you're gonna use weak killers as example, we can use soloq also, which always lacks something. Do good chases? well, end chases quick as killer then, as i said, they dont have exhaustion perks
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The mode isn't even finished yet and a lot of people enjoy it, it's in its first iteration, it is a party mode, it is something they are trying because so many people have asked for it the past years, if you don't like the mode don't play it, it is very much a work in progress. It is basically 2v8 alpha. Plus, BHVR already said the mode isn't going to be permanent anyway, like months ago, it is going to be a reoccurring game mode.
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Yeah I'm literally only playing for the bp otherwise I'd be in normal mode. Doing my part to help the killer queues but I need adequate compensation lol
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It won't change with this iteration of the game mode, unfortunately. Understandably, the only real change in this mode is the 2 in the 2v8, which is both why people have asked for it for years and what the devs focused on.
For the 8, the gameplay is really too watered down and there's not enough variation from the regular 1v4 mode. Not that the classes aren't attempting to do that, because they tried, but it's a core gameplay issue:
Survivors in this mode are literally just fodder. Gens are largely the same, there's no alternative objective or anything, so staring at a progress bar is still the biggest part of the gameplay. Interacting with the killer is nearly deleted, though. Chases are nearly instant, and since it's designed for survivors to lose the 1v1 chase, there's no chance 2v1. And with cages, there's no lurking for altruism either.
So survivors get essentially more time to try to have a "balanced" game: rescuing, a bit of gens, etc. But BP gains at 400% aren't even cutting it, because base BP is so incredibly ######### it doesn't matter.
I won't deny that the mode, in theory, is popular. Or, at least people desperately want it to be good. But the devs will need to spend the next iteration implementing ways that it'll be engaging for the other 80% of players who they need to make this functional.
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they should considering adding survivor perks instead of classes. survivor only get variety in perks and that is gone in this mode.
Survivors in this mode are literally just fodder. Gens are largely the same, there's no alternative objective or anything, so staring at a progress bar is still the biggest part of the gameplay. Interacting with the killer is nearly deleted, though. Chases are nearly instant, and since it's designed for survivors to lose the 1v1 chase, there's no chance 2v1. And with cages, there's no lurking for altruism either.
I agree. i am not sure how many survivor play the game for 1vs1 chase but if that number is high than that is one more reason for queue problems. the mode in general directly contradicts the 1vs1 skill elements of dbd. I am not going say that there are no 1vs1's for survivor in 2vs8 mode but the ability to "carry" teams in this mode is close to 0 for survivor.
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This is just false. The most people are waiting is Approx 15 minutes. Also 2v6 wouldn't at all be fair on the survivors, so thats a horrible idea. Not to mention your last point which is also false. This is the MOST successful game mode they have ever made. Whether you agree or not it doesn't matter but this game mode has broken records. This game mode WILL be permanent and it WILL continue to get love, more killers, more maps, bug fixes, adjustments etc. This is just the beginning of something amazing :D
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Lol 2v6 would be horrible. You would have to GUT killers abilities and perks to make this even slightly balanced because if it isnt and killers easily kill every time. You wont have any survivor queing up at all.
The best way to increase survivor interest to release a TON of different classes for them to experiment with. Right now you get 4 and that its. This would be way more interesting if there was a ton of differeant builds that you could run as a survivor.3 -
Honestly I am surprised as many people like it.
I find it beyond tilting how often I get into a game and I am literally the only one doing gens for so much of the match. Like, ######### are the other 5 survivors doing if I assume that 2 are being chased by the 2 killers?!
It's so frustrating and I don't get why people rate this mode so highly
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I also don't think 2v8 will be permanent; the (surv) playerbase is simply not big enough.
maybe Q times could be shortened if they rebalance killers a little so that the same killers can play together - or killers get Qed together before they pick a killer and have to sort it out in the lobby. - But with the sheer amount of survs needed you need a massive surplus of surv players to make killer Qs acceptable. Someone somewhere did the math of how even just a slight imbalance impacts Q times in 1v4; Qs just keep getting longer. - So the other option I see to make Qs for killers shorter is to make matches insanely short; one match 5 mins max, lobby is 25 seconds instead of 1min and the end screen only has the match result tab right away and you get redirected to lobby after 5 seconds (if you don't click leave). That way the in-game-but-not-in-Q-or-match-time would also be shortened.
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Survivor gameplay is too watered down in this mode. The rare occasions where I’ve had to try and escape both killers are cool but too infrequent. I’ve had some games where I barely see either killer so I’m left to sit on gens, occasionally rescuing or healing another player. That’s just boring. No flashlights, no sabotage, no chance to get value from unique perks…it’s dull.
For killer, it’s great. But the queue times are very off putting.2 -
I personally am enjoying this other than the que times, as a survivor I feel your pain it's pretty much a coin toss whether you get a team that will do gens, but I recommend bringing a few friends into the que it's no different than the current state of solo q , they really need to make the hatch not open with gens still needing to be done so these stealthy players will actually try to do objectives instead of hiding for hatch at the start of the game I really feel like it's part of the issue of nobody doing ######### sometimes
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This mode is for killers, i've always wanted a 2v8 because i love playing chill as killer and having a teammate removes the stress of the role. I'm guilty of not thinking about survivors when asking for 2v8 and i'm sure 90% of the ppl that asked for this mode did so thinking about killer.
Survivor needs to be reworked for this mode to make it something new, we need to give survivors a reason to play this mode over 1v4 (other than not being tunneled / camped). GENS NEED TO GO or be reworked (like make survivors look for parts around the map or something), i know they are one of the icons of this game but they are EXTREMELY boring. Give survivors something NEW GAMEPLAYWISE. BP incentives while good, are not the answer, ppl should play this mode for fun and not because they are being bought 🤣
- Having teammates is something you already have in 1v4 (teammates that don't do gens is not new either 😂)
- Gens is something you already have in 1v4
- Totems are useless (in 1v4 can be useful)
- Chests give items like flashlights which are almost useless (and feels like you're wasting time opening them since there are no perks / classes related to them unlike in 1v4)
The novelty of the mode is the only good thing and won't last. Many people play this mode because are tired of being camped and tunnel in 1v4 which shouldn't be a reason and that's a problem that should be adressed separately.
There's a lack of survivors not only because they are trying killer with their friends (i for example play soloq on both roles since none of my friends play DbD) but because survivor is boring.1 -
personally, I don’t think any new modifer/gamemode should be permanent as it would make queue times too long for everything.
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Not too sure why there are not enough survivor queues, 2vs8 mode is more efficient with a high turnover rate and many matches to enjoy, as there is a high probability that all the gen will be completed in 3-4 minutes, or that they will be overwhelmed at the first move and the battle over the hatch will begin.
I think a large part of the reason the killer player queue is crowded is that it frees them from the solitude they have always struggled with in VC collaboration, but the survivor is still the same, for better or worse.
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I am clearly in a minority from polls I have seen and the general consensus… but yeah, as survivor this mode is just painful and it makes me angry and not have fun, so there is no point me playing it. Going back to normal matches felt great after this
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Calling 2v8 the most unsuccessful mode the devs have made is just inherently false. Most people I've heard from agree that it's a blast and, while the queue times are (understandably) long on the Killer side, it's the most dumb fun mode that I've experienced. It's not perfect by any means, but I, as well as the overwhelming majority of players, love it.
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I think some survivors are also having fun and the 1% who don't like it and long queue not because survivors not playing it that to many want play killer in that mode.
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