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Ghost Face should be nerfed
I believe that Ghost Face's ability is unbalanced and frustrating because it is easy to abuse. When you play as a Survivor and reveal Ghost Face, you do not reduce the progress he has already accumulated on you, so you can often be "99% stalked." This means that the next time he activates his ability, you are already instadownable, regardless of whether you revealed him or not.
There are two possible solutions:
- Survivors should be rewarded for revealing Ghost Face. My idea is that Ghost Face would lose 100% of the stalking progress on the Survivor who revealed him. Alternatively, there could be an add-on that causes Ghost Face to lose only 50% of the progress when revealed.
- Adjust his mechanic to make him lose progress over time, similar to The Trickster. I believe it should take much longer to lose progress, for example, 1 second = -1.2% progress. Additionally, there could be an add-on to reduce the decay rate, such as 1 second = -1%.
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No. :)
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No. Not even elaborating on this. Just no.
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Ill admit at times he does feel frustrating to play against because you can stare straight at him point blank and he will turn around and fully mark you before you can even break him out, and they know this and abuse it. But on the other side of things being able to 99 someone then instadown before theu realise you are on them with a mark does feel rewarding for playing stealthy without being noticed.
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99% stalked Ghostface is just awful gameplay, it needs a change.
Why because if I was exposed idd react diffrent, but if im 0.3 sec from and I dont know how screwed I am I dont.
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Could be that revealing ghostface takes longer based on your stalk amount.
For example (and these are just numbers, not what I'm actually suggesting) it takes 3 seconds to reveal ghostface if you have no stalk, if you do have stalk, after those 3 seconds it starts draining the stalk meter instead of revealing, and only revealing once the meter is at 0.t1 -
that is entire point of his stealth. to be unpredictable assassin. What would you give him if he did not have this? he is fairely weak killer.
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Why would you make him worse than he is? He's already not the best killer but that would make him basically useless. Also you already loose all the progress by being hit normally, so there's no reason to destroy him on a level that his power is basically unplayable.
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And that's perfectly in character with ghostface and his existance as a stealthkiller. His point is not for you to know that you'll die, his point is that he lingers near you somewhere without being seen until he stalked you and then he attacks.
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True, revealing is broken, insta down out of nowhere is really annoying, I do agree that stalking progress should go down after some time similar to Trickster.
Btw, he kills solo survivors easily since there is no communication
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I dont think we have the data to determine Ghostface's strength, I want to see killrate over mmr for that.
All I know when I play Survivor everyone dies like all the time.
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I do agree that this aspect of him is a bit unfair, but if you removed this, he would be one of the worst Killers in the game, he already performs quite badly, so nerfing him isn't ideal without some big compensations.
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The fact that he's not the best killer shouldn't be reason why he shouldn't be nerfed, hit mechanic is bad, you can make Ghostface hit you for 100% only when he's carrying survivor and it's too specific. When he's in chase for other survivor, he can activate his power and instantly down you if you're trying to give protection.
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Ghostface is one of the worst killers in the game. Last thing he needs is nerfs. At the end of the day he's just an M1 killer. Just loop him.
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He is literally one of the weakest killers in the game. Survivors can also entirely eliminate his powers the entire match turning him into the weakest possible killer period - just an m1 killer with no powers.
Your issue here is that you don't want to counter him and instead be left to your own devices. When playing vs ghostie, all you need is for someone to follow him around and keep tabs on him. That's it. He can't go into stealth at all if you have someone dedicated to keeping eyes on him.
He doesn't need nerfs, he needs buffs. Even if he somehow exposes you, he has absolutely zero chase powers or anti loop.
If you're losing consistently to ghosties, I don't know what to tell you other than the problem isn't that he's overpowered.
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And the problem with that is what exactly? He had to invest his time at some point for that and you're still protecting the other person, you're just down lol. Also michael myers can still do it exactly like this, there's no reason his power should be completely useless in chase.
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Well, Ghostface is bad, if he simply chase.
Playing him as a setup killer is kinda best way, if you want to win with him. Which works only because of 99%.
I would say it's more fair version of Myers. He had to stalk you specifically unlike Myers, where you can be downed in exactly same way, but Myers stalked someone completely different.
Ghostface is not in position for nerf anyway.6 -
So a person should not be doing gens but wasting time following him, wow just wow.
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Well, don't take protection hits, if you think he has power ready and you are not 100% sure you are not 99% stalked.
Unless you consider it is worthy to get downed for it.
But at least you can take protection hit against him… You have killers where you simply can't do it, or killers where you will get downed no matter what. So it's not like he is unique even at this aspect.2 -
You can lose progression on yourself only by taking hits
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Ahaha, no, they're not going to nerf him. If anything they will buff him further. This is because Ghostface is already balanced; the only thing Ghostface needs is a Reveal rework that makes it better for both sides, and his lean fixed. He's otherwise a very fair Killer if you have eyes, ears, and situational awareness. He literally only asks you to pay attention. Surely paying attention isn't that hard? It's sure not for me when I am against a Ghostface.
He just… doesn't need a nerf. He's not in need of anything LIKE a nerf, he's not broken or strong enough to deserve a nerf. Chucky arguably deserved a nerf, Dracula deserved a slight nerf. Ghostface literally doesn't. He's a high C to low B tier and if he can't keep Shroud, he's got nothing. He can't hit you over loops, he can't end chases in five seconds, he can't create 50/50s, he can't even cross the map quickly. They JUST gave him buffs, minor ones, to help him function better because he DOES struggle so much in the pace of modern DBD and he actually STILL struggles even then if the team is any good - play him against a decent strong looper team, and you'll see exactly why he deserved the buffs and still deserves more. He has no BS mechanics except Reveal jank which literally isn't his fault and is bad design on the Devs' part for not making this more responsive on both his and the Survs' ends.
If anything, he needs MORE buffs and a better Reveal mechanic. His gameplay is fair, you're just mad you can't loop him easily anymore because he can get his Shroud back faster, one tap you if he plays correctly (he could always do that and that's the intended way to play both him and Myers, it's actually considered a marker of skillful play to 99 like this) and mindgame more easily in chase now.
Literally you're mad he's not D tier. That's what you're mad about here, that he can't be made a mockery of anymore (and he still can be if you know what you're doing). Stop asking for nerfs for Killers you don't know how to play against just because you find their design annoying, blame the Devs. At the least learn what line of sight is. At the least learn how to predict around tiles.
If you are gonna nerf him, he needs MASSIVE buffs everywhere else to compensate. He just does. He has nothing else otherwise, how would it be fair to nerf the one thing he does really well without any buffs? I don't think you would like that, and I don't think Survivors would stand for that.
It's shameful and a massive tell on ANYONE who upvoted in agreement that he needs a nerf, ANYONE who agrees with OP here needs to re-evaluate why they're so bad at the game they need to cry about nerfing an M1 Killer who loses his power if you mildly stare at him for 1 second. Is Trapper too spicy for you too? Is Myers too hard to handle?
You are not owed an experience where you are never frustrated with the game. You are not owed having your hand held for the whole game.
It's actually absolutely pathetic that people are asking for nerfs for a basic M1 Killer now because they never want any Killer to be too challenging for them to handle. Really sad how far Survivors have fallen in terms of skill, nobody seems to know what a mindgame is anymore.
Post edited by SidneysBane1996 on3 -
There is more to Dead by Daylight than just sitting on gens, popping them all in five minutes, and leaving, yes. We call engaging with Killers and their powers counterplay. Counterplay makes the game fun.
Interactivity is key. This is easy interactivity. Why is it hard to grasp that you need to play different ways against different Killers, do you just want gen repair sim? I don't.
The Skull Merchant nerfs set an AWFUL precedent. Now people think that if they whine enough, BHVR will nerf Killers they don't like because the mechanics are too spicy or broken in a way BHVR for some reason REFUSES to ever look at despite it being annoying for both sides. You cannot have your cake and eat it too just because a Killer has a power, you need to try in the video game.
Asking for nerfs on a Killer because a mechanic they literally don't control is annoying is like asking for your mashed potatoes to be separate from your chicken because maybe a green bean will accidentally fall into them and you don't like green beans. You're asking for a bland basic experience you don't need to try in AND asking to never have any Killer be an inconvenience ever, oh, sorry to bother your gen repair session my bad I forgot Killers aren't supposed to have powers.
My bad. I guess I just expected my opponents to learn the relatively simple counterplay of literally staring at me, but if staring at me is too hard then Hello Kitty Island is on sale, I hear.
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i escaped every ghostface in the last two months. he is terribly bad vs soloq. the average ghostface is a joke. there is possibility that there are some ghostface players that have positive win records but the killer is seldomly picked and when i do face him, he puts up no fight.
his stats match up with my experience. when i saw ghostface on the change list with myer's, i figured gf and myers would have extensive changes and be the highlight of chapter. unfortunately, myer's received a nerf and ghostface received nothing. at very least for myer's they gave him a stalking buff so now he gets tier 3 for doing almost nothing with 2 stalk add-on's so he's like legion where every m1 is instant down but both killers suffer from no innate chase power. gf still has to work for his instant down and yet his power still isn't very good while your post suggests to nerf him further for what little strength he has.
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I agree something needs to be done but before going that far they need to fix his broken reveal mechanic. I can be staring at him and have no reveal then I can reveal him even if he hides behind an object or I hide behind one. If they fix it it might be more difficult to 99 in the first place. Also to all you jerks saying no get the hell out of here. You are using a broken ass killer and you aren't even backing it up with anything because you can't.
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So why do you find it so hard to loop an M1 Killer? Asking for a friend.
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Oh but killers get mad and pissy when people chase them with flashlights and say they do not want to stay on gens🤣.Please try again that point is so moot and it only proves more hypocrisy of killers. Here is an example=we complain of tunneling, killers=run off the record/ds=we use it=its being abused. Shall I go on? So saying someone should be following ghost face revealing him all the time is no different than someone chasing a killer with a flashlight for a save and killers should not be annoyed by that then.
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First time i heard someone call Ghostface OP but it wouldn't surprise if he gets a nerf
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This game is so killer sided at this point that even if the killer had no power or perks and was literally only an m1 killer, the kill rate would probably still no go under 50 percent. So I will say things like skull merchant and chucky nerf are actually the only evidence we have that Bhvr. cares about survivor players at all. Hopefully we'll have a lot more nerfs.
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Yes.
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The us vs. them was not necessary and adds nothing to this discussion.
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Man if they actually nerf a Killer so weak that his only power IS stealth, I will seriously, SERIOUSLY lose faith in this game and its entire playerbase.
HOW is the mechanic you can counter with your eyes too spicy for people? Literally how? I can only see it as one of two things:
- Survivors are in 2024/2025 SO bad at the game and so unskilled, they genuinely need the entire game dumbed down for them for every single Killer even the most basic ones, which I personally don't believe for a second, or
- There is for some reason a dedicated hate campaign over a KIller that doesn't deserve it because the Skurchent nerfs set a terrible precedent, and now people expect that BHVR will simply nerf to uselessness ANY Killer people even have a slight quibble with, which is what I believe is happening.
How do we live in a version of this game where GHOSTFACE is too OP, but Nurse is considered OK and Chucky is somehow considered nerfed to oblivion? Literally HOW did we all get this unconfident in our ability to play?
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Revealing GhostFace is already a counter for him. He wasted time stalking survivors. Losing progress over time is very punishing.
If you are "99'd" and reveal him you have time to run to safety before he gets his power back and exposes you.
Why would you nerf a weak killer that struggles ?
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Because they're spoiled from getting Skurchent, who was totally reworked, nerfed and now they think they can get any Killer they find even remotely slightly too spicy also nerfed, too. We're seeing it in real time.
If Ghostface is nerfed in this manner without any regard to how it affects his delicate stalk timing gameplay, then he would have to be hardcore buffed EVERYWHERE ELSE to compensate and make him viable. They would have to give him antiloop, mobility, AND haste to even remotely compensate for nerfing him by making this counter so strong against him, otherwise his killrates would plummet well below what BHVR wants and nobody would ever play him. He's already not a common pick, how often are you really seeing Ghostface after you hit a certain MMR?
Not only is this counter to his intended character necessary for his gameplay loop, not only would nerfing it upset people who enjoy his gameplay, it would literally make Survivors unhappier because he'd just be another overly buffed Haste-applied M1 Killer. I thought we all agreed no more random added Haste?
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ohh wow, nerf an already weak and extremely map dependant killed, just wow
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Why do you doubt your ability so much, you think an M1 Killer with no power and no perks is too strong? And BHVR doesn't care? Really? When we just got one of the strongest Survivor perks in Shoulder the Burden EVER?
I really think you just want to always win and never have any challenge with a claim like that. You must be joking. You have to be joking. You cannot think that Survivor players as a whole are this incapable, you're trolling you are ACTUALLY TROLLING.
Maybe this isn't the game for you if you literally cannot even handle a powerless, perkless M1 Killer at the most basic of loops, man. Survivors deserve to be treated like they have skill and this game deserves Killers that have powers that can challenge that skill. Why do you want the game to be Barney and Friends, I'll never understand people like you.
If you seriously want EVERY KILLER even the weakest ones so nerfed, Survivors never lose a game again, this is not the game for you. There are many games where you can guaranteed win every time but a multiplayer versus game IS NOT IT and I thank every deity you're not on the balance team, because with takes like this one the game would be dead in the water in under a year.
It's genuinely so upsetting that you have so little faith in your skill as Survivor that you have to claim even the weakest of Killers are OP, and it's genuinely also clear this game is too spicy for you and you can't handle it because you for some reason have a need to hardcore dominate every single Survivor game because you cannot stand the thought of ever losing to even a weak Killer.
I genuinely think after seeing your post history that you won't be happy unless all the much needed buffs to every Killer are reverted, every Killer is rendered a simple M1 chase machine that is there solely for your amusement and never challenges you in any way, things go back to the time when Killers quit en masse because the game was so stacked in Survivors' favor they didn't want to play at all, and then also give Survivors more extra buffs on top of all that. You seem to genuinely want this to be some sort of game where you can beat up on the Killer Friday the 13th the Game style, I don't think even the 2v8 buffs being brought to 1v4 would satisfy your weird need to team up with people to stomp some poor schmo just trying to have fun with a Killer they enjoy into the ground.
We do not and never should have room for that sort of one sided stomp in this game, period ever. I pray something so heinously unfair never becomes a part of the game again.
I don't understand it, but you seem really unhappy and like you don't want to be playing with takes like this one. If that's the case, then please, I beg of you, leave the Fog and find something more your speed, because it's not fair to anyone Survivors included to pretend that all Survivors are so helpless that even a basic M1 Killer is too spicy for us. It's absolutely ludicrous and it's insulting, you do not speak for us.
Stop insulting us as players, and stop insulting yourself. You're better than this, you deserve more dignity than this. And if you really think you don't, please stop playing this game you clearly aren't enjoying. Please. For your sake.
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What you said too added nothing either and was not your business since I was speaking to someone else.
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With the state of many of the maps the way they are now an m1 killer probably could get almost 50% kill rate. Loops, which are part of the map, are basically the only way for a survivor to get away most of the time, so, on new coldwind for example, where there are essentially no usable loops anymore, an m1 killer should win a lot of the time. So why don't you stop playing the game since you obviously dont understand it and just demand that your side have an advantage at all times. Its truly pathetic that you're so bad at games you have to play the stronger side on one of the most unbalanced games ever made and then pretend like you play survivor much at all or give a crap about them. Looking at your post history you just seem like a normal gaslighting killer main and the fact you try to get personal just makes you more sad and pathetic. And guess what I'm going to keep playing dbd and I'm going to keep going next whenever something is unfair or even just if I feel like it and hopefully I can help to get a lot more killers like skull merchant and chucky, and now hopefully slugging in general as well, nerfed.
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You can almost always tell if hes stalked you enough if you've been looking around.
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most m1 killers are already around 50%, but I hardly find that balanced considering the game is balanced for 60%.
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Asking for a ghost face nerf is wild.
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Following him isnt wasting time. It's literally ensuring your team wins. On almost every match in dbd, you don't want all 4 people on gens. There's always someone that should be getting the killers attention which buys time for the other survivors to knock out gens. It's just a bit different with ghostie where someone is in charge of ensuring the killer can't use his power. If you have all 4 survivors on gens, you probably have an afk killer.
If anything, we should be appreciating killers who play these low tier killers. They go out of their way to put themselves at a major disadvantage against the survivors, and we get more variety than just seeing nurse and blight every match. If you demand nerfs on the weakest of killers, all you'll end up with is only blight and nurse for the rest of the game's life.
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I already play him less because Myers outperforms him. Why do we need to nerf weaker killers without any compensation like they did with chucky recently?
I say no.
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This idea sucks
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All the devs need to do is play one game against a ghost face player of middling competence, and it will be Matheau Cote and the flashlight nerfs all over again.
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So if you underestimate a killer, act like a fool and get downed by their power…it's…"abuse?"
Is this bait?
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Thanks for the laughs. Really made my day with that joke.
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