General Discussions
General Discussions
Behavior is killing their own game
Rather people like it or not and I imagine a lot of people are gonna disagree with this statement dbd is turning more in the killers favor honestly think about what they've changed for killer
Respawning the hooks when it wasn't a problem to begin with.. if its the survivors fault they 3-gened then it's the killers fault they used up the only hook nearby
Making it so the gen has to have 5% progress put back into it before it can stop regressing and conveniently pain resonance + grim embrace/dead man's switch is perfect for covering the gen faster then you can stop the regression
granting the ability to mori the last survivor which is undeserved being most killers leave the 3th down to search for the 4th also it's not fair to the last survivor when they haven't been hooked/seen all game then get moried at the end
Almost every event recently only really benefited the killers example this past haunted by daylight they made it so the killer knew you were in the void made them undetectable and made it so they could use their powers but they took away the ability to use exhaustion perks for survivors cmon that's 3 ups for the killer and 1 down for the survivor I know they gave us the smoke crystal but it blinded us just as much as the killer I ran into a wall more times then I want to admit
They made alert pretty much useless against undetectable killers including stake out but watered down distortion so if my token gets consumed by lethal pursuer and killer has bbq/ friends til the end I'm screwed
I believe they changed ruin back so now it stays active even if someone dies (at least the last time I didn't die first ruin was still active) mind you ruin keeps me from using blast mine.. also as soon as I let the gen go even by mistake it sets it back 5% ik it's not a lot but every second counts
There's so many perks now that help the killer find you as if it was even hard it's ridiculous how someone gets found within 30 secs into the match and it's even more ridiculous how a killer can get the ability to kill at 5 gens with devour hope (Ik it's a hex it can be broken same as ruin but I've spent so much time trying to find it and couldn't)
Ik the swift teams are getting out of hand and Ik they strengthen these perks for 4 man teams but soloq is getting almost unbearable to play and let's not forget the slugging bit that's been going on for years with so many complaints backing it but I guess respawning the already used hook was a bigger issue even though there's already so many hooks in fact breaking a hook for someone doesn't work a lot of the time because they just take them to a different hook
The killers have 3 ups they have their power. Their add-ons (some very strong add-ons) and perks and Ik it's always been like that but it gets more difficult when you give them a power and an ability AKA turning into bats to bypass pallets/windows or picking/preventing you from dropping a pallet.. survivors do have items but 1 toolbox on a gen with the best add-ons isn't really going to do anything if my teammates myself included keep getting hooked plus Franklin's + weaving atonement + 4 items that's a killers wet dream and the fact any teleporting killer can teleport back to the hook immediately after someone gets saved is a major problem
The face-camping mechanism (I called it an anti-camping bar but someone corrected me even though if a killer is smart which most are they know not to get too close bc that bar is in place) doesn't help as much as they thought I've seen plenty of times the killer stood back far enough knowing it wouldn't trigger the mechanism.. in some cases I believe it is okay to camp like if it's 2 gens and you've got no hooks but too many killers camp at 5-4 gens and too many killers immediately come back to the hook I get that the camping bar doesn't help that but if killer comes back to the hook penalize them for it by deducting points
And anyone with the mindset of slugging and camping is in the game so it's perfectly fine no it's not I would hope that people would be decent enough players to let me at least have a little opportunity to get my challenges done and by that I mean I can't do gens or get unhooks or even look for a glyph if I'm the first one found then tunneled out or camped
Sorry it's a long read but if you made it this far thank you for reading! if I think of something that they've done to further make it killer sided I'll comment it below
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Some of these complaints are unreasonable (ruin for example is decent but nowhere near OP sometimes perks counter other perks, just like if a killer brings knock out and the survivor has unbreakable it gets countered) but overall I agree it's getting to be too much for soloQ to handle most of the time. Through thinking about it and talking to other people partially on here I think it comes down to survivors having less resources on most maps, more mobility killers making more dead zones (for example you're not making it to the next pallet against a blight or dracula even though you might against trapper), and more killer buffs making stacking slowdown even more brutal.
I think for sure maps need more pallets I think we have enough anti-loop powers in the game that this wouldn't be an issue. The other issue is rough because do you punish mobility killers for being good or do you nerf slowdown because we've reached critical mass and it's easy to have a build of 4 meta worthy slowdown perks? I don't think you do both and if I had to pick between the two I think the mobility killers are generally the most fun killer archetype for people so I think slowdown gets the nerf bat which is sad for lower tier killers but I think overall that's easier than doing specific changes to like 6 or 7 different killers.
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There's a lot to unpack with this post, so I'll go point by point.
It's no surprise that Behavior thinks the ideal for any killer is a 60% killrate, that's the game that they envision, and it's obviously a hot debate if it should be 60% or not.
Sure, I have my gripes with the hooks (I think they spawn fairly TOO close together rendering Flip Flop builds useless). I do think it was an issue where survivors would go down in a certain spot to prevent the killer from hooking them. Hooks respawning is a mixed bag for me, but I understand why Behavior allowed for hooks to respawn due to the issue I provided above.
The 5% regression isn't a huge deal to me, if a killer keeps returning back to it, then the survivor can always do another gen. It only takes one survivor to stop it from regressing to trigger a regression event (a maximum of 8). I find that too many survivors (and I noticed this as a killer) will typically play very selfish to pop a gen and will primarily go down for it instead of just working on another gen and allowing a teammate to do it (especially if the survivor in question is injured).
I will agree that the mori system that they implemented does incentivise slugging and definitely pushes more people to slug for the 4k. Regardless, a killer will slug the third and still work for a 4k. It just seems more annoying to you, as you wait for the survivor to die, don't get hatch, and you're moried as the last survivor.
I don't disagree that some of the events that they introduced are more killer sided, like the previous Haunted by Daylight event. It was annoying to get double tapped by the skull and the notification that a survivor is in the void was something that they didn't need to add — as that would make survivors avoid the void in general, as we saw many complain about during that time.
I disagree about Alert being useless, I enjoy the perk as a whole and it's very great for chase potential as the killer kicks a pallet and you're guaranteed to win a mind game. Stake Out is dependent on the killer's terror radius, therefore no terror radius = no stake out tokens, it sucks, but that's how the perk works. Distortion is good if you're great at chase potential, I like to use it still from time to time to gain information on what perks the killer is using but that's just me. I won't deny that it's been nerfed, but it's still viable for me as I like to have chases in the game.
Hex: Ruin is very weak compared to its previous iterations and hardly does much gen regression as a whole. If you want Blast Mine value, go find and cleanse Ruin (or other totem related perks), again Ruin counters Blast Mine and there's a workaround to that. As you've mentioned with Hex: Devour Hope — the same applies to Hex: Ruin. Typically totems spawn in jungle gyms, inside of main building, shack, and on hills. I don't know your hours, but the more you play, the better it is to memorize totem spawn locations to help you here.
Even if SWF didn't exist, killers would still play the exact same way regardless. The higher you get in MMR, the better your teammates get, along with the killers you get. Killers would still be running the same perks they use now, incorporate the same strategies that they have now, and play in the exact same manner. Typically, people don't load up a game of Dead By Daylight to farm and take it easy especially the higher in MMR you go. People play to the best of their abilities and do what they can to win, Dead By Daylight is no exception to this.
Dracula's Bat form is by far the weakest part of his kit - yes, it gives him mobility but that's all it does. You render his power useless by simply walking. If he follows you into bat form - just stay at the pallet and pallet stun him to get him out of his bat form. Weave Attunement has been nerfed - if you notice the killer is running the perk - place your item in a corner of the map, and play accordingly. Franklin's and Weave is a weak combination as that means the killer more than likely isn't running much gen regression or aura reading perks.
Challenges are hard to do, especially with many involving you to go to basement with the glyph coin - however, what I like to do with those challenges is to focus on them when I have the free time to do so. Let's say the game started, I have the glyph to go to basement — normally, I would do the challenge when almost all the gens are done or at the end game because then I don't feel useless the whole match running to basement to do the glyph challenge. It's all about time management in the game, but you will get the hang of it the more you play. 😊
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1: There's a difference between BHVR killing their game, and you not liking decisions they've made. We all have complaints about DbD, but their player count remains quite high.
2: Yes, DbD is killer sided. By design. I think they go to far on this, but its been that way for a while.
3: Hooks not respawning wasn't a huge problem, but it also wasn't a huge buff. BHVR is trying to fix the right thing here: points were the game grinds to a crawl. Even if rare, and even if the killers fault, killers getting into a position were they couldn't hook the survivor wasn't fun for anyone who wasn't trolling.
4: Taking away gen tapping made for a better game, even if somehow many killers don't seem to have realized they got the better end of the anti-3 gen changes.
5: Moring the last survivor has led to more slugging, but the hook counts that survivor has isn't really relevant. Getting hooked would kill the survivor all the same.
6: I think the events have been more mixed than you do. The game is killer sided, it remains killer sided in events.
7: I don't think Hex: Ruin actually sets the gen back 5%, you're just seeing the 5% that needs to be repaired to stop the gen regression (could be wrong on this, but think that's what it is).
8: Aura perks are quite strong and BHVR has made stealth play incredibly risky.
9: AFC was a substantial improvement. I think it could be a little stronger, but it radically changed my game experience.
10: Slugging is a problem and I hope BHVR has a plan for it.
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For the White Glyph Challenges, you get 25,000 Bloodpoints if you escape with it.
What I do is select the Challenge and just don't attempt the Challenge in a match until I come across a Killer who is just farming or meming around.
That way, I can be assured that not only will I complete the Challenge, but I'll also escape with the Bloodpoints bonus.
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I think they are killing their game too, the game was ridiculously survivor sided for years and no doubt this needed addressing but I feel they made too many maps killer sided and full of unsafe or outright pointless loops on maps they (rightfully) made a lot smaller.
I also think there are too many obnoxious killers in the last few years, too many bugs and too many ways killers can make the game incredibly miserable for survivors.
Like it or not, survivors are the majority of the player base and most of those players are casuals and if the game is too killer sided and casuals are subjected to being bled out for 4 minutes or subjected to generally miserable experiences, they will just leave.
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Respawning the hooks when it wasn't a problem to begin with.
(False. It was a issue. It caused even more slugging, toxic behaviour on both sides and it created deadzones so the killer couldn't do their objective)
if its the survivors fault they 3-gened then it's the killers fault they used up the only hook nearby
(False…The survivors have 3 different generators they can try to fix. The killer has one hook which is now permanently destroyed creating a deadzone therefore not being able to complete their objective. Survivors control the chase. Not the killer.)
Making it so the gen has to have 5% progress put back into it before it can stop regressing and conveniently pain resonance + grim embrace/dead man's switch is perfect for covering the gen faster then you can stop the regression
(All 3 generator perks were nerfed. Gen blocking perks don't stop the speed at which you stop a gen from regressing. Just time if thats what you mean. It still on takes a few seconds to stop the gen. The killer still has to deal with multiple Gen Perks being nerfed)
granting the ability to mori the last survivor which is undeserved being most killers leave the 3th down to search for the 4th also it's not fair to the last survivor when they haven't been hooked/seen all game then get moried at the end
(While I dont care for this mechanic - I wouldnt say its undeserved or not fair. If the 3rd survivor is slugged and the 4th survivor is in sight, it would make sense to go after them. The game is over anyways. Die by mori or die by hook. Does it really matter, you will still be dead.)
Almost every event recently only really benefited the killers example this past haunted by daylight they made it so the killer knew you were in the void made them undetectable and made it so they could use their powers but they took away the ability to use exhaustion perks for survivors cmon that's 3 ups for the killer and 1 down for the survivor I know they gave us the smoke crystal but it blinded us just as much as the killer I ran into a wall more times then I want to admit
(False. Chaos Shuffle isnt killer sided or survivor sided. I would even argue the 2v8's are survivor sided. They keep getting buff after buff after buff)
They made alert pretty much useless against undetectable killers including stake out but watered down distortion so if my token gets consumed by lethal pursuer and killer has bbq/ friends til the end I'm screwed
(False, also perks aren't suppose to be 100% useful in every given moment of the trial. However I do agree that perks in general on both sides really need a lot of love to be more useful.)
I believe they changed ruin back so now it stays active even if someone dies (at least the last time I didn't die first ruin was still active) mind you ruin keeps me from using blast mine.. also as soon as I let the gen go even by mistake it sets it back 5% ik it's not a lot but every second counts
(This is a very small minor inconvenience. Also, ruin still stinks. Its a terrible perk may I remind you.)
There's so many perks now that help the killer find you as if it was even hard it's ridiculous how someone gets found within 30 secs into the match and it's even more ridiculous how a killer can get the ability to kill at 5 gens with devour hope (Ik it's a hex it can be broken same as ruin but I've spent so much time trying to find it and couldn't)
(Just like every second counts for survivors they also count for killers as well. Distortion is still not a terrible perk and I use it consistently. The value I get out of it is still life saving…If you are getting killed at 5 gens because of Devour Hope then thats a skill issue respectfully on the survivors part.)
Ik the swift teams are getting out of hand and Ik they strengthen these perks for 4 man teams but soloq is getting almost unbearable to play and let's not forget the slugging bit that's been going on for years with so many complaints backing it but I guess respawning the already used hook was a bigger issue even though there's already so many hooks in fact breaking a hook for someone doesn't work a lot of the time because they just take them to a different hook
(Swf's are fine, but SoloQ could still use some love for sure. I wont argue that.)
The killers have 3 ups they have their power. Their add-ons (some very strong add-ons) and perks and Ik it's always been like that but it gets more difficult when you give them a power and an ability AKA turning into bats to bypass pallets/windows or picking/preventing you from dropping a pallet.. survivors do have items but 1 toolbox on a gen with the best add-ons isn't really going to do anything if my teammates myself included keep getting hooked plus Franklin's + weaving atonement + 4 items that's a killers wet dream and the fact any teleporting killer can teleport back to the hook immediately after someone gets saved is a major problem
(When you have perks like built to last and streetwise you would be surprised HOW LONG an item can last for.)
I wont comment on Dracula - I dont play him and I dont really know much about him. Challenges though I agree some of them are a bit tough but they are challenges after all they should be. I do think the rewards offered should be increased if they haven't already.
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Exactly, I agree with you. I kinda wish I knew that before committing to the challenge many months/year ago, but that is correct as well.
I'm not fiending for bloodpoints, I always joke that I wish I could give my friends them as I typically stockpile 'em as I have high prestiged survivors and prestiged my killers. ☠️
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Why is it just me? Why can't it be 500 or even 5000 people of the community? You assume I'm just some crying little survivor main but in reality my opinion/look on things could be a 1000 other people's opinion sooooo many people talk on how horrible the game has gotten because the decisions they've made right there should tell you there's a problem I'm literally speaking my piece stop trying to shove it in my fudging mouth that I don't like the decisions they've made damn right I don't like it because I don't want to get slugged and camped every match and utterly destroyed to the point I HATE the game I love playing so much most nights I play for 4-5-6 hours and only maybe if I'm lucky make it out of a handful of matches so yes I don't like it but instead of overlooking it maybe take a step back to realize there's a problem
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Biggest problem is buffing survivors more will be gutting weaker killers. They need to do a good pass on the weaker killers (especially m1 killers) to bring them better in line with the more optimal killers, then give solo queue some very much needed buffs to help bring them closer to SWF. While this indirectly buffs SWFs in a way, I still feel that buffing up the less optimal killers up then buffing up solo queue would go a long way to helping making the game more friendly for solo players with less of a chance at making the weaker killer experience absolutely miserable (which it already is starting to become).
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let's go one by one:
Respawning the hooks when it wasn't a problem to begin with.. if its the survivors fault they 3-gened then it's the killers fault they used up the only hook nearby
although i agree hook respawns significantly impacted the skill aspect of actually strategizing hook placement, this change was rather implemented for the reason to avoid forced bleeding out.
Making it so the gen has to have 5% progress put back into it before it can stop regressing and conveniently pain resonance + grim embrace/dead man's switch is perfect for covering the gen faster then you can stop the regression
counterweight for gen tapping being removed is max of 8 regression events per gen. Pain Res used to be obnoxiously powerful with Grim, but after the latest nerf, it's...here and there.
granting the ability to mori the last survivor which is undeserved being most killers leave the 3th down to search for the 4th also it's not fair to the last survivor when they haven't been hooked/seen all game then get moried at the end
although slugging for mori is very cringe, when last survivor gets downed, it's basically game over for them no matter the amount of hook states (unless they have Deliverance for 1st hook, but that's just unnecessary waste of time since killer would camp the hook to be sure they down survivor as soon as they Deli off the hook).
Almost every event recently only really benefited the killers example this past haunted by daylight they made it so the killer knew you were in the void made them undetectable and made it so they could use their powers but they took away the ability to use exhaustion perks for survivors cmon that's 3 ups for the killer and 1 down for the survivor I know they gave us the smoke crystal but it blinded us just as much as the killer I ran into a wall more times then I want to admit
Haunted by Daylight is still very much survivor sided if we take it into the mind that both sides actively enter the void to use their charges. Why? Because it's a deadzone for killer and a place where they put 0 pressure on the map, meaning survivors are free to do gens while killer is in the void. Not to mention that entering the void is still a brutally good way to e.g. waste Oni's power. It was even more obnoxious for the killer during the previous Haunted by Daylight since no powers worked in the void at all.
They made alert pretty much useless against undetectable killers including stake out but watered down distortion so if my token gets consumed by lethal pursuer and killer has bbq/ friends til the end I'm screwed
you won't really bump up into undetectable killers that much often, and even if you do, it's gonna be Myers, Wraith or Ghostface, which are not even difficult to play against.
I believe they changed ruin back so now it stays active even if someone dies (at least the last time I didn't die first ruin was still active) mind you ruin keeps me from using blast mine.. also as soon as I let the gen go even by mistake it sets it back 5% ik it's not a lot but every second counts
nag, Ruin still deactivates after first kill. Are you sure you weren't playing against Ruin + Undying? Maybe Undying was left lit, but you thought it was Ruin.
There's so many perks now that help the killer find you as if it was even hard it's ridiculous how someone gets found within 30 secs into the match and it's even more ridiculous how a killer can get the ability to kill at 5 gens with devour hope (Ik it's a hex it can be broken same as ruin but I've spent so much time trying to find it and couldn't)
yes but they help them find you, not win a chase against you. Unless we are talking about NTH and Predator, especially on Nurse.
The killers have 3 ups they have their power. Their add-ons (some very strong add-ons) and perks and Ik it's always been like that but it gets more difficult when you give them a power and an ability AKA turning into bats to bypass pallets/windows or picking/preventing you from dropping a pallet.. survivors do have items but 1 toolbox on a gen with the best add-ons isn't really going to do anything if my teammates myself included keep getting hooked plus Franklin's + weaving atonement + 4 items that's a killers wet dream and the fact any teleporting killer can teleport back to the hook immediately after someone gets saved is a major problem
toolboxes are the fastest way to finish the match, but you have no use of them if you don't know to stealth properly. Medkits tho are still the strongest survivor item.
The face-camping mechanism (I called it an anti-camping bar but someone corrected me even though if a killer is smart which most are they know not to get too close bc that bar is in place) doesn't help as much as they thought I've seen plenty of times the killer stood back far enough knowing it wouldn't trigger the mechanism.. in some cases I believe it is okay to camp like if it's 2 gens and you've got no hooks but too many killers camp at 5-4 gens and too many killers immediately come back to the hook I get that the camping bar doesn't help that but if killer comes back to the hook penalize them for it by deducting points
anti-facecamp meter was designed to prevent toxic use of camping, aka. "i hooked you and now i'm gonna watch you die there", it's not designed to be basekit counter to a legit strategy. Not to mention that anti-facecamp mechanic usage is prohibited in most tourneys.
Ik the swift teams are getting out of hand and Ik they strengthen these perks for 4 man teams but soloq is getting almost unbearable to play and let's not forget the slugging bit that's been going on for years with so many complaints backing it but I guess respawning the already used hook was a bigger issue even though there's already so many hooks in fact breaking a hook for someone doesn't work a lot of the time because they just take them to a different hook
there are many player related factors other than game balance that get into the equation of why soloQ is unbearable.
In terms of slugging, it was expected to emerge on a top after forcing hooks as the killer has been killed in terms of applying map pressure.
And anyone with the mindset of slugging and camping is in the game so it's perfectly fine no it's not I would hope that people would be decent enough players to let me at least have a little opportunity to get my challenges done and by that I mean I can't do gens or get unhooks or even look for a glyph if I'm the first one found then tunneled out or camped
this is why challenges need to be reworked. People are too focused on them to actually play the game out and improve. As soon as any rift comes, people are 100% focused on challenges and nothing else. Especially hatch challenges
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If the killer leaves the seasons last person downed and walk x meters away from the point of origin of the down the end game mori should just turn off their legit no reason to not implement this and the hook respawn were totally killer sided as if survivours to it it a problem but if killer does it it ok yeah it killer sided hook respawn if u think otherwise god u need help
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Why is it just me? Why can't it be 500 or even 5000 people of the community?1: Even if it was 5000 people that would be a tiny portion of the player base.
2: It might be tons of people have your opinion. It might also be they don't.
3: 'The game is dying' posts come along all the time. The game will die eventually. That's inevitable, but there's nothing about the direction of player count numbers that makes it look like it will happen anytime soon.
sooooo many people talk on how horrible the game has gotten because the decisions they've made right there should tell you there's a problemPeople always talk about how the game has problems. When I got into the game a few years ago it sounded like I was getting in at the tail end with how people talked about it.
A big issue is that people, broadly, disagree about what those problems are and the direction the game development should go. DbD exists in the middle ground between a lot of people who say they are unhappy with the game for different reasons, but keep playing it.
I'm literally speaking my pieceYou're welcome to give your opinion on the game or any aspect of it.
And as its a discussion forum, people will comment on those opinions.
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this change was rather implemented for the reason to avoid forced bleeding out.
So instead of killers using the excuse that they are somehow "forced" to slug, now we see the real reason, which is that they want to. The slugging meta came about after this change.
In terms of slugging, it was expected to emerge on a top after forcing hooks as the killer has been killed in terms of applying map pressure.
The extra 10 seconds on hook doesn't come into play unless you stay near the hook. It's designed, and only impacts, hard camping or lurking with the intention of tunneling. Those are the opposite of map pressure.
This comment, and this entire argument "for slugging" shows how much people have no idea what map pressure actually means. It's going after survivors doing gens. That's it.
Camping and tunneling is the opposite of map pressure. It's hook pressure on one survivor, who, coincidentally, is already occupied by being hooked. It's useful in rare circumstances, but if you're camping your first hook of the game, you're leaving at least 2, maybe even 3 survivors alone to do whatever they want (hint it's gens).
Map pressure is forcing the survivors to choose between things they want to do, with things they have to do. They already have to unhook, so unless you force chase they'll just do gens and have one person unhook.
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The extra 10 seconds on hook doesn't come into play unless you stay near the hook. It's designed, and only impacts, hard camping or lurking with the intention of tunneling. Those are the opposite of map pressure.
extra 10s on hook comes into play in various cases, camping is just one of those, i was hoping we really got over that "narrow minded" mindset, same as with e.g. recently released StB not only being useful against tunneling, but also against any kind of hooking order that isn't fresh hooking everyone, 2nd hooking everyone and then death hooking everyone.
This comment, and this entire argument "for slugging" shows how much people have no idea what map pressure actually means. It's going after survivors doing gens. That's it.
map pressure is such a wide term to use and saying how tunneling, slugging and camping work completely opposite of that is not really correct when any of those creates pressure if used at correct place at correct moment.
As much as killers who just brainlessly hard tunnel, camp or Knock Out slug everyone don't know what map pressure is, average survivor player who acts like "just learn to apply map pressure" don't know it either, they just use it as an excuse to complain about killers using xy strategy.
Camping and tunneling is the opposite of map pressure. It's hook pressure on one survivor, who, coincidentally, is already occupied by being hooked. It's useful in rare circumstances, but if you're camping your first hook of the game, you're leaving at least 2, maybe even 3 survivors alone to do whatever they want (hint it's gens).
as i already said, this is absolutely right and absolutely wrong at the same time.
Camping inside a 3-gen with an opportunity to prevent it being broken through is literally huge pressure on survivors due to the fact that hooked survivor is going to die, but at the same time, they need to be really careful in terms of which gens they do.
Managing to achieve an early 3v1 is literally the biggest form of pressure killer can have on survivors, but you need to really be careful about where and when will you attempt it. If you get an extremely fast first down, your best option in terms of maintaining pressure is to tunnel that survivor out. This will prove extremely useful later in the match.
Map pressure is forcing the survivors to choose between things they want to do, with things they have to do. They already have to unhook, so unless you force chase they'll just do gens and have one person unhook.
correct definition, tho there are many more premises in this equation.
If killer camps a survivor in 3-gen, you are definitely going to need to have more than one survivor coming for an unhook and you would definitely need to think about baiting killer into deadzone for the next hook if you really wanna do something, otherwise you are doomed.
If killer manages to tunnel out a survivor early, they finished 50% of their job in the match, and rest ofnthe team will be significantly less efficient.
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A lot of the OPs complaints are, frankly, rediculous. Not only that but the entire way they framed their post is just tribalistic and whiny.
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if we’re being completely honest survivors have a lot of tools to consistently win games but the majority of the player base is not good enough to use them consistently. That again is behaviors fault for having so much content with very little explanation. The tutorial system needs a major overhaul and more in depth explanation as I’ve said on forums before. I will also agree that they have slightly overtuned some maps to killer creating zones where you either have no tiles or all the tiles are bad. I used to play solo queue surv a lot. I still play but the quality of gameplay from this time last year has decreased drastically.
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Do people actually go and do the tutorials, though? Lol.
Most people skip the tutorial system. You would be surprised how most casual people will typically jump right into a game and just play the game right off the bat. Even if Behavior made a better tutorial system (I don't disagree with the point)... People will stay play how they play regardless. It's why the MMR system was created to ensure that people in the same skillset played with people with similar skillsets.
Most of the time people play multiplayer games, they don't look at tips and strategies unless they feel like they need to improve their gameplay. Some people will say they're not good at looping, they might opt for stealth or gen related perks. So, the inclusion of a better tutorial system could work for some but people have their playstyles regardless.
If I had to guess, most people do not sit around and watch JRM, Ayrun, Cru5h, Noob3, Probzz (even with his behavior), etc. When I first started playing, I watched a lot of Noob3 and Probzz, so I generally know how to loop but many survivors will not do what I did because the casual player base doesn't go out of their way to improve.
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agree and they shouldn’t have to go outside of the game to learn the basics. I did the tutorials to get bps. If they made tutorials with incentives, I promise many would do them just for the incentives esp if they did iri shards.
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Entirely accurate. The devs have given survivors all of the potential in the world to be unbeatable. It's just that it can be difficult to master that potential to win consistently. Perfectly played survivors pretty much are guaranteed to win. Perfectly played killers can still lose. The game design is around the killers capitalizing on survivor mistakes. Experienced survivors are pretty much unstoppable - it's just rare to come across survivors who actually go out of their way to learn the ins and outs of the game. That being said, the devs want to treat the game as a casual game and not a competitive game, so they essentially give survivors the keys to the kingdom since the majority of the playerbase in the casual range would rarely if ever know what doors are unlocked with those keys. If they balanced around "true potential" ie experienced players, then the game would be awful for newcomers. On the flipside, balancing around casual survivors while supercharging experienced survivors makes the game absolutely horrible for high MMR killers, however.
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What I find amusing, is that the 4th mori solves a problem that no longer exists.
The main reason for it was so you could get the 4th kill despite lost hooks, but now you don't lose hooks, so it's only point would be if there are dead zones killers can't hook from, which would be a greater issue that should be solved on it's own merits.
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The only reason for the last mori was to have moris every game. Nothing else. And they just completely ignored every flaw that came with their "solution".
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If your complaining about the most trivial things you should go back to roblox, half of these complaints are just outragous and show you jave never played killer in your life. Most of these complaints just you suck at the game this was just yapping my guy.
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the game is just mid bro lol.
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i never be so frustrating playing solo like now, im resisting but, i almost giving up. i play this since 2018 and NEVER ever this game be so unplayable and miserable for soloQ than today. Seriously, i cant enjoy absolutely nothing anymore. i always face agaisnt miserable playstyle from killer, terrible teammates, frustrate builds, i cant enjoy absolutely nothing. Im surprised that BHVR doesnt do anything, especially to soloQ experience, they only know how to release content and content.
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I don't want to discuss those technical details. But I feel that the number of players has been underestimated again recently. The queue time for survivor soloQ is as long as 5-10 minutes. Almost every game has survivors leaving.
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