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General Discussions
What are your thoughts on playing AGAINST Legion in 2v8?
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"Run early" the majority of them run shadow class
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now you’re just blowing it out of proportion lol
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No I really don't think I am
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I'm happy to see less wraiths
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this is true, the server jank makes him feel awful to be hit by, but how about wraith + legion, that's fun /s
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Not everything you don't like is a simulator.
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Legion gameplay can literally be summed up with mending simulator because that's his entire power. Hit someone and they have to mend. In 1v4 you can just stay injured and make it less optimal for him to force to mend over and over again, but that's simply not an option in 2v8.
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They’re absolutely broken and since they’re easy anyone can play as them to test it. The only game I lost as Legion was because my Wesker teammate was AFK.
They added an easy to play, strong in 2v8 Killer that makes playing Survivor miserable when they need Survivor players…it doesn’t make any sense.
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Undetectable actively screws over Legion.
If they're undetectable, they won't see you on Killer Instinct. If they're not, you can hear them and run early.
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Not if they are the one running shadow, the first hit doesn't matter lol, they gain their TR back as soon as they get the first hit so I dont understand why people say this?
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They made mends faster, so the slowdown you get from it is basically nothing. If he hits you multiple times in a single frenzy, you should wait until you are not in his TR to mend, otherwise he may come back to you so that he can use you as a pivot to continue his frenzy streak and possibly get an instadown. Also, just like in 1v4, working far away from other survivors does help, as well as holding W whenever you hear his TR.
He was nerfed in this mode so that he can only down survivors on the 9th hit, which puts him in a similar spot as in 1v4 where he can injure survivors very easily but can't actually down them. In that sense, he is more of a support character, one that exists to help Nurses and Spirits.
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Then the point is moot either way. Decent Legion players will wait until they find a Survivor to start their Frenzy so at that point you're being found by a regular M1 killer, not by Feral Frenzy.
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Read that out to yourself, with all the aura reading in the game rn and the fact they use their power when they find someone, I can't control the other 7 people. It's like beating a dead horse, y'all ignore every single little point and say it's moot.
This isn't a discussion anymore, it's just legion players coming in and trying to defend their boring gameplay.4 -
If you make a post asking for people's thoughts on Legion and get upset when people have differing thoughts to your own, then why make the thread in the first place?
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Because you aren't listening and talking about what can be made better for the overall experience of them, you're just coming in and being like git gud, then wonder why someone like me loses a bit of their respect for you nor wastes their time discussing with you or the others who come in to be like lmao let me force my opinion as fact?
Legion could be a much more fun character to play as and face, I feel like the support component to them is great accessory to 2v8, but their needs to be more ways to deal with them/a longer power CD like even up to 30 seconds to a minute with how potent it is. or a class that can stun killers to interupt their power or buy time for other survivors to recover, it cannot stand as it is it's not 1v4.
Because otherwise:
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you don't need a class, just drop pallet after being hit, and the fact that you want to give a low c tier killer a cooldown per minute says a lot about your understanding of the game
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I'm mainly talking about how I don't think Legion is actually that bad. There's a surprising number of ways to counter them and Undetectable is not a good status effect when paired with Legion. Enforcer is a way better class pick for them if you ask me.
You asked for people's thoughts, I gave my thoughts, if that upsets you then I'm not really sure what to say.
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I've played quite a few Legion games and I've lost just as many as I've won. And I haven't won at all since the 400% BP 3x XP bonuses presumably brought back all the sweats (but I'm not complaining, the Killer queue times are half as long as they were).
I dunno, maybe I'm just crap at playing my main, but I would currently rank Legion as the 2nd worst Killer in 2V8 (above Trapper but below Deathslinger).
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I think it only gets bad with Legion if the killer teammate is not a random but a friend and both are on comms, Legion can injure survivors very easily and their teammate can do the rest. If both are coordinated, then it gets ugly.
But I found Legion to be the worst in "lights out". To this day I can't explain why BHVR thought it was a good idea to have a killer who completely negates the point of this mode with his power.1 -
ah yes I'll stop the other 7 people from getting hit genius, my solo contributions will carry the entire match 8D ignorant reply as always. It says more about your understanding about the game LMFAO Yet another killer player who doesn't understand its a collective team effort and not solo player has all the agency. Talking like it's still 1v4 too, classic
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Hes terrible
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Ok, I faced one of these today.
Yeah, I agree that it's not a fun combo, but I think that's more of a problem with the Shadow class than with Legion. I'm not sure Killers even need to have classes in this mode, to be honest (or the classes should be reworked / toned down). They get a buffed up version of their power already.
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I think it's ridiculous that in 1v4, Legion's frenzy is so undertuned that if they find 2 survivors right next to each other on the same generator, and the survivors run away from each other, Legion isn't fast enough to frenzy hit both of them…… but then 2v8 happens and it's ok for frenzy to be so powerful that I've seen multiple times where Legion gets the special 8-hit combo?
Like why? This is supposed to be Legion's entire identity, but they're only allowed to do this in 2v8? Why isn't Legion allowed to actually have a "running around slashing" identity in 1v4?
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Legion on their own is alright. You have the option to stay injured because the map is big enough for 4 survivors. However, in 2v8, someone is bound to be caught in their terror radius when they frenzy. You can't actively split up in 2v8 because 1: There are two killers, 2: There are still bots in lobbies, and 3: The map is not big enough to not run into someone.
The option to stay injured after being hit by frenzy is a death wish because of the other killer which is usually a high mobility killer like blight/nurse/spirit. The strat is for legion to frenzy hit everyone, then the other killer just downs the rest…
It honestly makes for stale gameplay on the survivor's side. Everyone's mending, injured, and not touching gens. All the while they're running from the killer or getting unhooks. Most are healing because of what I stated above. Blight/nurse/spirit can make short work of someone already injured, so youre basically screwed if you're not at full health. And yeah, the healer class does have the team ability, but it does have a hefty cooldown compared to how fast and how much legion can frenzy.
My first game going into 2v8 today and i get a legion/blight. Needless to say, im not playing it again. One and done. I only went into a game because i wanted to test it and see if matches were better with one less bot. Surprisingly (sarcasm), it was.
Delete legion from 2v8. Just like how freddy is kill switched for lights out, legion should be kill switched for 2v8.
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Mending simulator is the same as in 1v4.
Annoying AF.1 -
Legion can be countered by stunning him (You bait the pallet over and over again), if you do get hit and you dont stun him chase him down and try to body block for your teammates that are healthy :)
Legion is a baby that can be bullied, the only time things should go wrong is when his teammate swoops in and thats when you comp corner to waste both their time :)1 -
Exactly
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This isn't true
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You havn't played with a friend then, because it is true LOL it's that or it was a bug in the first patch of it as I've only played Huntress since the hotfix
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DIfferences are
Blight, sure fast however uses rushes, loses rushes and has to recharge them, cannot get multiple hits with one power and requires some skill plus has to find survivors
Wraith has to come out of power for the hit, then go back into cloak to unclock again for next hit plus has to find survivors
Spirit has to wait for phase to charge, come out of phase for a hit and wait for it to charge again and requires some skill plus has to find survivors
Nurse has to wait for blinks to charge and requires some skill plus has to find survivors
Huntress has to reload hatchets, have at least decent aim plus has to find survivors
Legion requires no skill to go in power, hit someone, follow heartbeat while still in power, smack next person and keep going all while speedy and in power.There is a world of difference.
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Does this change what happens when you face a good blight/Wraith/Nurse while injured? Again we were told by you the problem legion in 2v8 is their teammate (which isnt a problem with having legion here to begin with), has the goal post moved to legion makes it easy to injure? We'll ignore how legion has to find people to start with like everyone else, has a cd, practically cant down with their power, how everyone in 2v8 has basekit no where to hide and a watered down version of dark sense to find survivors.
Everyone can hate legion all they want, thats their opinions and feelings, but legion aint breaking the freaking mode/are op/adding some new type of misery. Thats where we're getting at.
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No, Legion is the problem, not the teammates. I am saying you cannot compare Legion to 1v4 because there is no second killer to cleanup the mess. I am saying you cannot compare Legion to other killers in 2v8 because there is not another killer that can run around the map in power chasing killer instinct potentially injuring at least half if not every survivor in one power usage.
I understand you do not agree with this and that's fine but if you really cannot see there is a difference in pressure between Legion and every other killer then you clearly need to go play more survivor
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Here's my thought: There are so many other better killers for 2v8 in the game…and who the ######### decided Legion would be a good idea?
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And whats the problem with legion? Their power to run around and stab? Their nerfed power from 1v4? We certainly can compare them to other killers in 2v8 as sans the mend time and tracking (which killers get alot of already in 2v8) every killer can practically do what legion does, which is hurt people. Theres little practical difference when a good wraith/nurse/insert killer hits you and moves on and their good wesker/huntress/insert killer partner cleans up.
I swear to the entity, were STUCK playing survivor already! We've seen good and bad legions with good and bad partners. We've had good spirits and wraiths do practically the exact same thing as a good legion. What everyone keeps saying is hate legion because of mend time (standard power and was nerfed), their teammate (not even a legion problem), or their tracking (while semi validm its in 2v8 where theres such a large amount already that its rather diluted).0
