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Oni has made 2v8 very unfun as survivor
I've played every single 2v8 iteration so far and loved playing survivor in all of them. I played almost 200 games in the last one where they added legion. This is the first one where I don't feel like playing much because so many games have Oni in them and it just makes games extremely unfun.
He runs extremely fast, has an instadown, and for some reason can now 180° flick around corners. At least Billy has counterplay and you can flare around corners or win a 50/50 on a wall. Oni can just hit you around corners.
I don't understand why his basekit was buffed for 2v8. His addition to 2v8 has just completely shattered the balance.
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First, 2v8 is slated towards survivors off the bat 1v4 = 5gens 2v8 = 8 so to make up for this killers get base kit buffs to down faster to compensate ok.
Now for Oni his power is supposed to be strong as it takes effort to charge it, to counter this Oni is M1 at base so is easy to loop, the best way to play against him is to not get hit and play super safe as Oni's thing is snowballing when he has his power. If he gets it split up he cannot slug too much due to the anti-slug built into 2v8.
If Legion is a problem you can 99 the mend, body block or just force a stun at a pallet denying his power and if they are together starving the oni.
I get this is not always obvious to people especially with the chaos 2v8 brings but there is counter play.
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But Oni has no problem to get his power in 2v8 because there is a Legion zooming around injuring survs very fast.
He has his power all the time in my games.
The Legion Oni combo really is extremely annoying. And yes i also already wondered how agile Oni is now with hitting you around every corner.
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Yeah but in 2v8 there's no effort to charging his power. Oni has a teammate who also gets downs and injures, so every 2v8 game I have been in, Oni has pretty much always been in power, and always running around slugging people.
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If oni's teammate is doing well that means he is out playing the survs no? Meaning effort has been put in and in 2v8 the 2 killers need to work together for better results. If the oni is on one side of the map while his teammate is on the other all the orbs clump up on one side making so oni has to go far for his power, I see people (me included ) who run to a corner to heal to make his orbs more difficult to reach. And as for slugging there is built in anti-slug he can max slug 4 people if they are not paying attention. 2 is the most common.
If oni has his power all game that is a skill issue on your TEAMS part.
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What you're saying might seem true, but experience actually playing the game trumps everything.
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Yes experience does, so if a 8 man (just the team not just SWF) surv team is all getting outplayed, they are not as good at the game as the killer, possibly not a great team player and are probably newer or used to lower MMR brackets which 2v8 does not take into mind as much so player skill is more over the place.
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"Outplaying survivors" When Legion's ability is literally the deep wound warrior and so SO easy. (Coming from a literal Legion main btw.) When you play as survivor against Legion, there's little you can do to outplay them- they are fast, they can vault pallets and windows, they catch up so quick and though there are pallets it is so easy to dodge them and then get the hit off. Especially in 2v8 where there are survivors EVERYWHERE, Legion literally just spoonfeeds Oni his power over and over again.
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Im sorry but if you are a legion main and you never run into counter play the game has just considered you bad (Lower MMR) and is pitting you against lower MMR survs (In 2v8 MMR is wildly inconsistent if even present at times)
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Examples? I'm not talking about SWF counterplay either. Solo queue. The main strat against Legion is to not heal, but then you're constantly leaking blood for Oni. You waste time healing, get hit again by Legion, and the loop starts back up again. Do you expect survivors to loop perfectly against a Legion and waste every pallet trying to get a stun?
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Locker fake, 99 the mend, body block, force pallet stun, pre running and you get allot of pallets in 2v8 and the ability to rebuild them. Legions ability is a time waster yes its to make up for his weak capacity to down.
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I literally have not had more of a problem with Oni/Legion than other Killer combos. Seems fine to me.
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Yet cooldowns are so low in 2v8 that even when ALL of that is achieved, Legion has their power back quick and is able to continue on their spree.
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"Not as good at the game" when the two killer powers interacting with each other is quite suffocating and stifling.
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Yh at some point legion will get his power back if he couldn't it would be like ghostface he would be horrible to play as if you could never use your power. (You know you are supposed to lose a chase at some point right?) Even then it wastes time for him = gen progress = you get out. You don't hold him out infinitely just long enough.
You know for a Legion MAIN you really seem to detest him?
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I detest cheap gameplay and easy wins. It does not feel rewarding loading into a match of 2v8, only to immediately nuke the entire survivor team with my friend on Oni. I'm not saying he needs to be changed in 2v8 with other killers, I'm saying when he's together with Oni? Their killer powers play off of each other too well and basically double the power behind it. I should not be waiting in queue for an hour just to have a match over in 5 minutes because survivors can barely avoid mine and Oni's wrath. ALL killers in 2v8 should have a system in place where their powers are adjusted to the power of the killer they match up with, or else we're going to have some seriously nasty combinations that will feel unrewarding to play as or against. Stop acting like I'm putting your poor baby Legion up on a stake man.
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Detest this weenie brotha
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Ok as I said MMR is very wonky in 2v8 just because you have had good results does not mean everyone will. And yes you are trying to stake him? Don't take this out of context, like if the discussion ended with "Legion OP" it would be for an intended nerf. That is the point of the discussion is about balance for a Nerf/No Nerf. And unrewarding? Who are you to say someone does not find the duo fun/rewarding to play. You don't have to play them you CHOSE to, don't say "too ez plz nerf for MY fun".
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Dude you're just purposefully not getting what I'm saying at this point. It's unbalanced. End of story, I gave you so many examples and I'm really done arguing
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I agree. I actually really enjoyed the first few versions of 2v8. It has felt like a chore to play since Legion was added to the mode. Then Oni came in and now you're more likely than not to have a bad experience playing survivor. It went from being somewhat enjoyable to play and now is at the point where I say "Why should I even bother with this game mode at all over 1v4?". I'd go a step beyond this and say that I actually somewhat dislike 2v8 now. Legion and Oni both need some kind of changes before the next 2v8.
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Ditto
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Oni needs a nerf in the next 2v8, dude pub stomps matches easily
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I will say it again:
DELETE LEGION completely and NERF ONI if they insist on keeping him in 2v8.
Oni completely ruins this iteration, as does Legion and it isn't even them combined it is just self evident by the fact Oni is in power almost the entire match - clearly this is not right at all.
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His power takes zero effort actually, he literally has his power 24/7 in 2v8 and can 180 flick around every single corner in the game. Where's the skill expression in that?
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Majority of matches I've played on 2v8, has been non-stop Oni & Legion. And most of the time, the Oni I'm against will slug every survivor they down whilst using Blood Fury, and the Legion would just be in frenzy continuously. And I know that there are 'counter-plays' for Legion or Oni but they tend to be more effective on 1v4, not 2v8. Survivors constantly need to keep healing to avoid spilling more blood orbs for Oni, but Legion will constantly be in frenzy hitting everyone again. It's a continuous loop cycle, yet it doesn't take long for Legion or Oni to regain their ability either. Hence, if BHVR removed either one of them, it would create some sort of fairness. Or at least drop a nerf for one of them.
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yeah they really said "you know how legion is virtually universally despised and ruined the 2v8 vibe? what if we complimented that with oni so instead of mending simulator, they ALSO get to be slugged a bunch of times". next theyre gonna do the twins so we really never get to do anything besides lay down
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