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The Ghoul
Why does this killer have such a short recovery after cancelling his leap? He can cancel it and immediately hit you right after. There should be a 5 second window before he can use his m1. That's the only problem I have with him.
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While I agree with you, 5 second window is way too long.
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I think that needs to remain a clear strength of the Ghoul.
The Ghoul's problem will be the speed of its pallet vault and the range of its grab.3 -
Because it's the entire point of his power? You are supposed to reach pallets and vaults before he reaches you. 5 seconds is just insane, there'd be no point in using his power.
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Its short because he cant down with his power, if you make his cancel time 5 seconds(actually insane btw, imagine not being able to play the game for 5 seconds every time you try to use his power) you basically make him a worse legion and kill his skill ceilling and skill expression which is body blocking
They should nerf enrage vault because it gives you downs without effort.
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5 seconds is overkill, but I do agree that his cancel cooldown needs to be longer and that he can't already start his cooldown while he is still leaping to essentially skip it altogether.
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I just would like them to feel more fair and fun to play against.
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I agree with you but 5 seconds its too much
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5 is too much. It needs to at LEAST match Legion's at 2.5 though.
It's currently 1.25 which is ridiculous.
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Learn to play against Ghoul maybe?
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5 is overkill, I think it should be on par with Legion tho… I still don't think he should be able to cancel slide on first dash at least.
For a long time there was not really a killer I didn't like to play against, but I really hate to play against Ghoul. Hopefully there will be less of them now.
His chases are simply boring to me. Can't play pallets, can't hold W, can't double back, usually can't even play windows because everyone use Bamboozle/addon to block them…
Only redemption is you can vault back on pallet with correct timing.0 -
ok, tell me what to do against him. I would really like to know.
So far only thing I can see working is play Resi, stay injured and try to gen rush him. Not really how to chase against him.1 -
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He's already F tier killer. Leave him alone, he got gutted enough.
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How he's S? He has free injury and some mobility and that's it. He can't catch up anymore due to pallet cooldown nerf. So he is basically Legion with movement bursts. Legion is D, but he can at least down survivors with his power and use some sort of antiloop.
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Don't agree on that, he is so insanely overrated, because he used to be good on release. People just want to nerf him because hitscan power.
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Actually it's currently 2s, not 1.25...
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Learn to loop at tiles and stay in area where you can break line of sight with him.
He can get quick first strike but then he is an M1 killer. He also needs to bounce off something if he wants to gain distance with his power.
Practice more about him. Nobody says you have to loop all killers for 5 gens. Even average survivors can waste some of killer's time if they pre-drop some pallets or run around the shack.
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5 seconds would be too long, but I agree it should be a bit more than 2 seconds
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He can't down with M2, ever. He can gain distance with M2 which any killer that has similar power do.
If you need a more clarifying example - Wesker can dash, gaining distance and down survivor while doing so. Ghoul can never down survivor with M2, no matter how he does use the power.
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He can get quick first strike but then he is an M1 killer.
Well, he is not just M1 killer, his power is quite easy to use in chase to deny many loops/pallets and distance.
Legion is an M1 killer after first hit, Kaneki is far from that. That's like calling old Nurse M1 killer, techinically yes, but no.
You also didn't really give any real advice. It's basically still only "learn to play against him". Except breaking LoS, which is not really that big deal imo, but sure.
Against any killer I can give real tips of what to do against them to improve. Fact that you can't do it against Kaneki is quite telling too.1 -
He has to bounce off something with M2, land very close to you, cancel his power, wait for 1.5 sec for recovery and only then he can do M1 attack. This is not the same as aiming your M2 and landing a hit.
I explained how to counter him. If you expect to counter him 24/7, sorry to disappoint but there will always be situation where you can't do anything against a killer due to being in a bad spot.
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Practice is the best advice for any survivor who struggles against killer. Learning to loop is the second best advice. Some people simply expect a 100% reliable solution to the problem and get upset that such thing may not exist.
Regarding Legion - he can use M2 to land a first hit, maintain the frenzy bonus and continue chasing the same target. If target is in bad spot, Legion can simply disable the power, wait for recovery and land the second hit right after. Don't tell me you expect every Legion player run around for every survivor before landing the 5th hit for a down?
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Legion has
- less mobility
- a longer cooldown on power
- a longer cooldown when canceling power
- a slow on losing power
Kaneki isn't like Legion; Kaneki is like Blight and Legion were combined. It's not fun to play against, and the counterplay is so minimal it basically doesn't exist.
I don't think people understand just how small his cooldowns are. Survivors move at 4.0m/s. In that two seconds you can move 8 meters - the average lunge distance for killers is about 6 meters. If you are not immediately next to a pallet or window when he uses leap, there is nothing you can do.
2 seconds isn't even enough time to make it around most loops which puts him on par with Nurse for his ability to just straight up ignore pallets.1 -
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Some people simply expect a 100% reliable solution
If there is not realible solution and only thing people can say is generic advice, that kinda means there is not much to do…
For every killer in DBD I can say something that is going to improve your chances of escaping, except Kaneki.
Don't tell me you expect every Legion player run around for every survivor before landing the 5th hit for a down?
No, he is free to commit and I would say most player would prefer him to do it. I have absolutely 0 issues with Legion.
It is possible to deny first hit against Legion, not really that difficult, or at least deny him to hit anyone else. His power is very limited to use in chase. His fatigue is longer, his vault is worse, his mobility is worse. Kaneki outclass Legion at everything really…If target is in bad spot, Legion can simply disable the power
sure and his fatigue is longer than Kaneki and if you won't manage to down survivor, then you are actually pure M1 killer unlike Kaneki….
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What do you want from a range killer without ability to down survivors with power? 1 million seconds recovery on power? Completely uncontrollable dash? Super short range?
If there is a reliable solution to counter the killer without any drawbacks then the killer goes to F tier instantly.
As for Legion - you probably haven't played against good legion players who equip proper perks and addons and don't mindlessly chase people around. Once you meet one, you will be asking for a huge nerf because almost nothing but going straight line will work against that killer.
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If there is a reliable solution to counter the killer without any drawbacks then the killer goes to F tier instantly.
Not really, unless every other killer is F tier by your opinion…
you probably haven't played against good legion players who equip proper perks and addons and don't mindlessly chase people around.
lol, he is my most played killer… There are things you can do as survivors where there is nothing he can do about it.
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