REMOVE LEGION FROM 2V8
Please for the love of God remove this absolute boring killer from this modifier. 10 matches against 8 Legions. This killer is disgustly boring to face agaisnt and never should came to this mode.
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They never we're good in 2v8 tbh, arguably worse with the less hits until down and less killer instinct. When he had to hit everyone, all survivors were getting injured, creating alot of pressure. The problem isn't the killer, its the survivors who keep insta mending, thinking the killer left. 2v8 needs to imo have mmr, cus theres no excuse for why teammates are mending for no reason, or not doing a gen.
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Legion is a popular pick for newer players so I'm not surprised you're seeing them alot. They're pretty easy to learn. For that reason I can't see them being removed.
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honestly would not be surprised if that is the main reason 2v8 queue is so long
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Idk, even before Legion was added, Killer queue times were absolutely atrocious, so idk that removing them would fix it. I would agree that it's more to do with Survivor solo queue being miserable and no one wants to play Survivor.
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You do realize there's a second killer who can capitalize on having everyone injured? Killers who are way better at closing the gap than legion like blight, nurse, oni, wraith, spirit, etc. Legion is a support killer, and is extremely annoying to put it lightly.
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Agreed. Legion is just too impactful with his free injuries and enables the other killer far too much to exist in this game mode.
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Yep, I refuse to play it again until they remove Legion. I said right from the start that having a killer who gets free injures is a massive problem when two killers are in play. Legion themselves is irritating but not game breaking, in 2v8 it is and they should never have been put in this mode in the first place.
I am actually surprised BHVR brought them back again… though I guess I should not be surprised.
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all you need to do is spam freenzy, thats how you play and win with him. the pressure and mend is enough for the killers (and dumb survivors) to win even if the mode is "survivor sided"
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especially after essentially gutting guide to be a troll class, they somehow can gut survivor items and classes but not killers, unless everyone keeps dcing against them for 2 years straight, makes sense bhvr.
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The saddest thing of all is that people wait 30 mins just to play....Legion....
Can't get more boring than that.
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I was playing yesterday thinking 'why am I having so much fun? this is great!'
Then I realized I'd gone three trials without a Legion. Balance issues aside, they make the game really boring.
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This is tough to prove with data, but I think that just the fact that Legion are in 2v8 is keeping a lot of people from playing survivor, which in turns exacerbates the problem of long killer queues for this mode. Even after multiple iterations of this mode, BHVR still hasn’t realized that they need to do more to make 2v8 mode appealing for survivors. Killer queue times are just as long as they have ever been. Putting Legion in this mode only made it less appealing for the survivor side. My matches playing as survivor in 2v8 that didn’t have Legion (or Oni) have been very fun for the most part. Remove Legion, add a few other killers, nerf Oni a bit and I think 2v8 would be much more appealing for survivor players.
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Don't worry, BHVR will "nerf" him again.
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Its really not that hard to beat, even with a team of insta mend players who group up.
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Look guys I know Legion is aggravating to deal with I went against 59 legions already and I hate it I only tolerate it cause I'm getting 5x the bp
However realistically they are not going to just remove them from 2v8 so instead they should receive further nerfs to balance them
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I'm just curious, have you played 2v8?
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To be fair, they're the only killer in 2v8 at the moment who provides decent slowdown, and the only support killer who is good. With the gens going as fast as they do it isn't really surprising they are in nearly every game. They need to add more killers who provide slowdown and support killers so people who want to play those types of killers have someone else to go to.
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I have had no problems facing Legion's in 2v8 its not anymore annoying than its in 1v4. Have to admit I feel like he is not even that strong in the mode. I would say he is quite middle in the mode and there is way more powerful killers than him in the roster.
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Im just curious, have you tried maybe using common sense in game?
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Tip Use scouts ability on pallets vs legion on frenzy because he cant vault them and is forced to cancel his power
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As for my opinion, Legion is still way over tuned for the mode. Frenzy provides a ridiculous amount of slowdown for the killers. The only ways I can see him being balanced are:
1.a) Some way to counter Deep Wound. One suggestion: The Medic class could have a skill tacked on that increases the rate at which they mend survivors by 100%, and their AoE healing skill instantly brings a survivor out of Deep Wound.
1.b) Alternatively, in order to not punish the killers that inflict Deep Wound but aren't problematic, when a survivor is inflicted with Deep Wound via Feral Frenzy, decrease Deep Wound mend time by 2 seconds for self mending and 1 second for altruistic mending, resulting in 8 seconds of self mending and 5 seconds of altruistic mending.
2) Reduce Feral Frenzy duration to 9 seconds, but increase the speed gained for each Frenzy Slash by 0.1 m/s.
3) Give survivors some kind of indication that Legion is about to get their Lethal Feral Slash built up. It's obnoxious to be unexpectedly downed just because other survivors got Frenzy Slashed enough times.
4) While in Feral Frenzy, Legion gets killer instinct only on healthy survivors. In exchange, remove the artificial cap on survivors that can be tracked via Killer Instinct while in Frenzy, and make Frank's Mix Tape base kit in 2v8 to synergize better with the reveal status on survivors near a kicked gen.
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It's not just about whether they're easy to beat or not.
This game mode desperately needs survivors, and Legion in 2v8 is skill-less, boring, unfun survivor repellant.
Additionally, the whole idea of Legion as a killer in 1v4 is that they can get the first hit easily but then for the most part turn into an m1 killer in order to get the down. When you add a second killer into the mix the entire conceit of Legion goes out the window, as the other killer can clean up with their power, nullifying Legion's biggest weakness.
It just doesn't work in 2v8 from both a logistical and balance standpoint without heavy nerfs to Legion, and if that's the case, why are they even included in the first place? It just doesn't make sense to dedicate resources towards balancing a killer that fundamentally doesn't work with the game mode.
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Impossible!
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At least remove the mending and use a mark like Ghoul has to indicate who Legion has/can hit. I don’t mind playing injured even against Oni, but mending over and over gets really boring.
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ahh yes because insta-heals, on demand sprint burst and the ability to rebuild god pallets isnt op
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hey if you wanna queue up and wait 30 minutes for a game that nobody’s going to play, which is what has been happening for each time Legion is in the match then by all means go ahead. Waste your time to get no gameplay.
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Wraith is also an insane support killer. Trapper and Ghostface definitely deserve some love too. In 2v8 I think slowdown should come from downs and cages though, not repeatedly mending.
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I know the queue is double what it used to be, but what about MY fun?
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to be fair, there arent that many killers to choose from - they need to add some more options.
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So run more medic classes and stay away from your teammates until they're injured and the Legion is gone. As rare as Legions are in 2v8, he still has the same old easy counterplay of just splitting up, which still shouldn't be too difficult with a 2nd killer. The hard part is the chances of you getting 7 teammates in a single lobby who have common sense like that is next to none, almost no solo queue teammate, let alone 2V8 ones where theres no MMR, have absolutely no clue what they're doing majority of the time.
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Thats what im saying. The game mode IS survivor sided, just as the main game is, the problem is just reliable teammates really. Hopefully the MMR update planned for next year will fix the issues of fully incompetent teammates or just players who clearly don't belong in your lobby.
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I don't know how they manage to make survivor in 2v8 less and less enjoyable every iteration yet maintain the 20 minute killer queues.
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Legion is fine in the main game mode, but he didn’t translate well into 2v8 very well. The devs didn’t think it through I don’t think. He’d probably need a complete power revision just in 2v8 for him to work but that’s probably unrealistic. We’re sadly stuck with him unless he’s removed from the mode.
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yh because this whole discussion was about survs problems but have the audacity to say that killers have problems with 2v8 too is inconceivable!!!
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Wraith is ok, but he can't spread injuries like legion can after his cloak speed nerfs/bugfix, and with the amount of pallets he is far too easy to counter imo. Trapper and ghostface have good potential to be support killers but they are just really really bad right now unfortunately especially with ghostface's expose not working on most of the killers due to them being m2 focused killers.
Honestly I would love to play some trapper in 2v8 but I always feel like I'm dragging down my teammate with me when I play him.Post edited by CosmicScarab on3 -
Not to worry, I'm sure BHVR will listen to "the community" (in other words, whoever shouts the loudest) and they'll probably be nerfed again in the next iteration.
In my opinion, they're already been nerfed to the point that they're not so different to playing as a 1V4 Legion (which is contrary to the appeal of 2V8 - we all get to play with broken mechanics). I can't see how much further BHVR could realistically nerf this Killer unless the intent is to give them the full Skull Merchant treatment. Some players won't be happy until they're worse than 2V8 Trapper and Slinger and nobody wants to play as them anymore.
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u are asking way too much
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I feel like people want all killers to be an ez win for survivors.
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Since the change for Legion needing less hits to one tap the last person I've been the recipient of the final hit about six times in two days. 2 in one game. I hate this mechanic because in solo queue there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
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It's not just anecdotal anymore. Statistically, it's untrue that Killers get the short end of the stick. It's to the point that you specifically have to go out of your way to make Survivor more enjoyable to keep the queue balanced.
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Legion is annoying and tedious, especially since the usual strat (don't heal) doesn't really work, but I don't think they should be removed from 2v8.
However, I don't think Legion and Oni should be allowed to queue together, and I don't think an explanation is needed.
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Yet Legion warps the entire mode around themselves. Yes, Oni is the best pair with Legion. But who's the best pair with Wraith? Legion. Who's the best pair with Blight? Legion. Wesker? Legion. Spirit? Legion. Nurse? Legion. I think the only killer you could make an argument for that isn't best paired with Legion is Hillbilly because ideally he should be chainsawing healthy survivors. But even then, Legion is still going to be one of the better pairs there.
If they specifically block Legion from pairing with Oni, then it's just going to be Legion with Wesker as the most common duo. And the frustration there is still Legion.
They need to just accept that 2v8 is a game mode that shouldn't include every killer and remove Legion. Commit to never adding Plague and Ghoul. And pretty much everyone else is fair game to include.
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wdym?
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Yeah, Legion pairs well with just about all the other killers, but Oni in his power is probably the most powerful killer in the game (if the player is skilled with Oni). Pairing Oni with Legion is uniquely oppressive. With the other killers, to make real use of the Legion, the other killer will have to trail Legion around, and pairing up like that is not the ideal way to play killer in 2v8.
With Oni and Legion, there is pretty much going to be tons of blood orbs laying around all over, and Oni can spread pressure while vacuuming them up and living in his power pretty much all match.
I've been playing surv pretty much exclusively in this and the last 2v8, and the only matches where we really just got mercilessly stomped were Oni & Legion matches.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if Legion got benched from 2v8. But the only time I feel oppressed by their presence is when teamed with Oni.
And I totally agree about Plague. Plague in 2v8 cannot happen; it'd be far worse than Legion.
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Again, the killer queue times are still extremely long. There are certainly enough killers happy to play 2v8. We complained about Oni and Legion last time - we all 'shouted the loudest' and what changes did Oni get this time? Is Legion showing up less often now after this round's nerfs? No.
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Ive just been calling it Legion+1v8 since the first time he was added lol
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I'm just going to say this right now with proof: Legion is not rare in 2v8. Because I'm a lunatic with a spreadsheet of what killers I face, I can confirm that in 2v8, at least on the servers I'm on, Legion is THE MOST COMMON KILLER. By a WIDE margin at that.
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People called for Legion nerfs and they got some. Oni could also use some nerfs and yes, a KWF choosing Oni + Legion is very tedious to face. I would suggest they be banned from pairing up if this was in any way a balanced and serious game mode but it's not. So I don't really care if I must go up against a Legion + Oni KWF every so often.
Killer queue times will always be long for 2V8. They were long before BHVR added Legion and they would still be long if they removed them. The Killer experience is so much more fun than the Survivor experience and that's been true for the last few iterations. Two new Killers to play as will almost always be more appealing than the same 4 recycled Survivor classes. What they give Survivors with one hand (SB on demand / blast mine) they take away with the other (herbs / fog crystals / gen boost). Everybody wants to play Killer, even the players who are typically Survivor mains. I've said this so many times but I think BHVR really need to start adding new Survivor classes and soon. Maybe they could even add an anti-Legion class (Made for This or Dark Theory / Resi / Smash Hit).
The trouble is, players like me who would normally never play 2V8 Killer because of the insane wait times have now joined the Killer queue because of play while you wait. It would be interesting to know what proportion of my Survivor teammates are playing while they wait and what effect that's had on the wait times, because it doesn't seem to have made them any shorter.
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When a killer is so meta-warping that it requires survivors to stack up with 3-4 Medics just in case they happen to go against that killer, I think it's pretty obvious that something's wrong here. I should be able to play the class I want, and not have to begrudgingly switch to Medic because we "only" have 2.
Heck, Medic is only a light counter to Legion anyway as Medics don't have any extra effects on survivors afflicted with Deep Wound (nor should they, as that screws over other killers with Deep Wound in their kits but aren't problematic).
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Sorry, but you're either woefully uninformed or exclusively survivor if you think that Legion needs a nerf and not other killers need a plethora of buffs to compete.
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