Krasue is extremely weak, PLEASE FIX HER

PressM1

I've been playing Krasue since she released, and I have to say, the current state of Krasue is an absolute disaster and needs to be addressed.

This isn't a case of "she isn't busted OP anymore and therefor I don't like her". Far from it. I continue to play Krasue because I find her power interesting and unique. I like the theme of the character and want to continue playing it. However, in her current state, Krasue is EXTREMELY weak.

Here is what I mean:

• Head form is unable to get hits at short loops, a common weakness that people discovered during the PTB and is still exploited at live, making her sometimes weaker than a basic M1 killer at common filler tiles.
• Without dissolution and bamboozle, it is impossible to get a hit at any loop with a dropped pallet, unless the survivor paths terribly/makes a MASSIVE mistake.
• Survivors have adapted to the power. Coordinated groups go for body blocks while you are in head form, making it impossible to secure quick downs. I've even seen solo queue players doing this.
• People have also learned how to spin the tentacle whip attack because of the camera lock that is applied (this specifically is not as much of an issue but can still happen from time to time).
• Her overall time to down is extremely slow. Infect, hit, hit, takes an incredibly long time, even with headlong flight (she's basically a mildly stronger version of nemesis, with different weaknesses). Other killers have to expend far less effort to secure downs. The upcoming killer, The First, is able to secure downs twice as fast as this killer, and he's literally the NEXT KILLER coming out.
• Power aside, she feels extremely clunky to play. Every action she takes has a built in slow down. Some of these actions like the pallet vault slowdown are justified. Others are not.
• Spreading infection is completely pointless because enough mushrooms spawn on the map to completely invalidate the power on a macro scale. Your only solution is to commit to any survivor you infect, which isn't always good from a macro standpoint.

What I also don't understand are people saying that Krasue is still strong and can compete with other strong killers, often compared to the likes of Dracula, Singularity, and other high tier killers.

Her strengths include:

• Map presence with headlong flight… which you CANT CAPITALIZE ON because head form does nothing unless the survivor is infected.
• Ability to counter hold W with headlong flight… which you CANT CAPITALIZE ON because of the built in slowdown to headlong flight, allowing survivors to barely make it to loops consistently.

And aside from those two things, which again, she CANT CAPITALIZE ON, she has no other strengths that sets her apart from other killers.

I've been trying to play her in chaos shuffle and normal games, and its simply not possible because of some of the reasons I've stated above. I feel completely powerless every time I pick up this killer, even when I get extremely fast infections.

Please fix this killer.

OrangeBear

Whilst i don't disagree with any of your bullet points, i wouldn't say she is extremely weak despite all these things. However she is pretty boring and lacks depth and thats what i think they need to focus on.

Another thing i want to say is i think her mobility is actually pretty weak. 7m/s is relatively slow, but worst of all it's a resource that charges slowly. 40m TR means survivors will certainly have enough time to react which just solidifies the idea that you have to commit to one survivor.

[Deleted User]

You must have been playing against some very good survivors back to back. It is true that she has a difficult time outplaying dropped pallets but not all of them. Even with the stronger pallets, many survivors cannot react to the audio cue and do not vault in time, or they end up mindgaming themselves. So I think that she is still a solid killer. B+ tier at least. I dont think she needs buffs besides the mushroom removing when hooked. Right now you are encouraged to proxy camp because of it.

PressM1

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4046584#Comment_4046584

So, you don't disagree with any of my points and yet she somehow still isn't weak... how does that make any sense? I give multiple examples to explain my core argument and the counter is to agree and hand wave everything else away without providing any substance? The logic here makes absolutely no sense.

Her lack of depth is also a problem, that I will agree with you. That should then dispell any doubts that I am somehow not playing krasue well or efficiently, since I have been playing her since release and her skill ceiling is relatively low, and despite that I still continue to struggle.

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4046622#Comment_4046622

You're correct, I do play against good survivors back to back. I play against good survivors back to back on EVERY killer. The difference is, when I play against good survivors on other killers, even killers that are often considered weaker than krasue, I often win significantly more because I feel that I have far more agency in the match. How can a killer be considered sufficiently well designed if the answer to playing it well is "wait for a survivor to make a mistake"? I want agency. I want some amount of say and outplay potential. And yes, that argument also applies to a BUNCH of other killers on the roster, but I think Krasue right now is a particularly aggregious example.

Philscooper

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/462868/krasue-is-extremely-weak-please-fix-her

No offense but alot more killers deserve a buff over her.

Trapper, hag, skull-merchant, chucky, ghostface, wraith, doctor.

Just to name a few, shes fine, she got mobility and an m2 injury power, thats more than what most killers get

NAERUUU

Well that's an interesting take