Why are survivors toxic?
Genuine question as someone who doesn't play survivor very much anymore, I had a chaos shuffle match where I played springtrap and rolled a team. I'm talking I had 10 hooks by the time 2 gens got done. I clearly won, but then I decided to relax and try to learn how to trickshot and they ended up getting out due to a genuinely long chase and an aggressive use of DS. I proceeded to get T-bagged in the exit gate they wouldn't have gotten had I not literally given it to them and they got 4 man out (which again, I wasn't really trying to win at this point.) What made them cocky there? What's with the toxicity? Did they think they got a comeback or something?
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Some players just genuinely enjoy toxic behaviour. And since theres 4x more suvivors per match you are more likely to see them on killer. Ive also had a springtrap round where i played by the survivor rulebook, and didnt even slug for 4k, found hatch first and saw the last person creeping into the basement. I was then bombarded with insults, threats of reports saying i mustve been cheating when i was also using nowhere to hide, and even going as far as to report my funny steam account name that ive had for over 13 years. There was no provocation towards this behaviour, they just do it anyway.
As far as the tbagging goes at exit gates, many players seem to have an "its not that serious" mentality towards it, but theres no way to tell how the person on the other end takes this "light insult".
Its not just survivors tho. Play enough rounds on survivor and you will eventually run into killers that will make gestures towards you on the ground and hit you on the hook every chance they get, simply because you lasted more than 1-2 minutes in a chase regardless of if you were respectful the whole chase just focused on not going down. Some even hit you on the hook simply to make your screams shorter. But the survivors would always take that as an insult too.
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Entitlement. Survivors almost ALWAYS teabag at the exit gates, even if they just won against the Pig, and there are even cases of survivors saying EZ in the chat after you give them the hatch. They also like to get angry if they lose, complaining about tunneling and camping that didn't happen, and I was even accused of unfairly using my tail as the Xenomorph! The reason behind all of this is basic human psychology, because survivors are the bully role in DbD and it attracts the respective kind of players. It will also happen in SWF much more often than in soloQ. People in SWF queue up to bully a random player and they refuse to leave until they finish doing just that, while losing makes them furious and looking for excuses. Sore losers, sore winners, the classic of SWF.
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Why do you make it an us vs them?.
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Guess it depends on what you consider toxic. For me, it's insults, slurs, threats, tracking other players down on social media, etc. Things like tbagging in the exit gate, I think is just bad manners. Same as hitting on hook and humping on the ground. It's being a sore winner. I brush it off because ultimately I can't control the actions of others so no point in letting it ruin my mood.
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It all comes down to what this game is. Imagine playing a character who is unable to defeat his opponent, can only evade him. And one does it for the whole match.
Some players, including me, are kinda toxoc to show off that despite the odds it was possible to win.
Why would you cry about teabagging anyway? Just shrug it off and go play next match.
Same happens with slugging or camping killers - I shrug it off and play another match.
Hope it helps
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I guess that toxicity is subjective, but I would say that the general consensus of it usually consists of teabagging / disrespecting the killer as survivor, or humping survivors on the ground / bleeding out someone as killer.
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As several people already said: you can’t pin toxic behavior on one side.
There are simply more Survivors than Killers per match.
Toxic behavior isn’t unusual in this genre; it’s PvP. That naturally comes with the player base…
like how you find more flies (PvP) than butterflies (PvE) on a cow pat (DBD).
The behavior described here (tbagging, humping) gives no gameplay advantage; on the contrary, it costs the acting side time. And you can be sure that someone who spams these basic inputs is, in terms of mental competence, rather simple-minded.5 -
i played killer and survivor and i have seen way more toxicity from the survivor side. As to why….could be as others have mentioned its 4 v 1 so more likely to encounter toxic people on that side, could be due to people having a different understanding to what toxic behaviour actually is. For example survivors tbagging at the gate might thing its just celebrating but the killer might think they are just being toxic or killers tunneling for a kill just trying to win and survivors think they are being toxic. It says something when i start getting comments on my profile saying things like "+rep decent survivor, escapes and says gg like a normal human being instead of being toxic" lol
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People are way too sensitive. Toxic is calling someone a very bad word in end game. Tea bagging isn't that serious.
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Its has also something to do with the time-slot to be toxic. People are mostly toxic if they have already won (exit gate for survivor, last survivor down for killer)
So if someone doesnt die last the killer has often no time to be toxic bc survivor are on gens in that time.
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You have to understand they are everywhere..
Most survivors that are toxic plays in SWF so they feel cocky.. but here is the problem, their pride and ignorance will bring them down if you can use it. To your advantage.
If you play Springtrap just bring Loot Bag and Bloodwarden, if you play it right you will punish many cocky survivors for bagging at exit gates.
I personally had some very cocky SWF against my Springtrap once.. i feel really bad for them because i teached them a lesson they will never forget.. they were even too scared to be salty in endgame chat and i am not even suprised.
And remember that survivors main have no idea how much BS Killers have to endure and how much weight & expectations the game puts on them to win. Their disrespect towards you backfire one day, remember that.
Sooner or later every cocky SWF has to play against someone like me.. I single handedly made some squads uninstall because of me. Their ego got shattered like a glass. And trust me.. their ego was trough the roof, so it was a very painful experience for them.-2 -
Toxic are insults in chatt but the tbags or “humping” isnt that toxic its just tauting which many other games have dances or more tilting animations,dances for.
Only think I dislike about tbaging or humping is when it comes for no reason like ok you are behaving like kid so it will be way more impactfull to win for me because kids rage and overfeel little things which adult mature people dont.
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Survs are toxic because the game is beyond miserable, so people have turned to taking enjoyment in only trying to troll others, same goes for Killer. You can thank BHVR for this as well as the community, both parties refusing to actually talk about real balance and mechanic changes.
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Buddy, you were winning, and instead of finishing the match, decided you wanted to style on them, changed your mind and tried to kill them after you weren't able to, and are surprised that they taunted you back? Come on, man. How would you take it if the survivors were winning, and then stopped doing gens to try to practice flashlight saves? Have an iota of perspective.
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Survivors basically have a 3-word vocabulary: Point, beckon, and crouch.
I frequently say, "Thank you." by crouching rapidly. They could have been grateful for your leniency. (I know people often drop their items as "Thank you" but they might not have had one… or one that they wanted to give up.)
Same thing if someone says "EZ" after you gave them hatch. They could just be joking. I say EZ jokingly to my friends all the time after I struggle with something.
I'm not saying that there are no toxic jerks in this game, but I AM saying that there is a non-zero chance that some of these aren't what you think they are. Why assume the worst 100% of the time (and get correspondingly angry) when the reality is basically guaranteed to be less than that?
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I see this a lot as a killer main myself but at the end of the day its not survivors that are toxic. its a minority of the community that are toxic. These sorts of players will be toxic to the other side no matter if they play survivor or if they play killer and i do see this a lot. I've checked profiles of toxic players in end game chat and their wall is filled with posts claiming they are toxic when they play survivor and when they play killer.
This topic is brought up a lot and you get people defending both sides justifying the behaviour of one side because "the other side is worse" but truthfully these toxic players are bad on both sides.
Now I will say if you play both sides equally you will find that more survivors are toxic than killers are and this isn't because there are more toxic players playing survivor this is because you see 4 times as many survivors as you do killers which means you are always going to find more toxicity from the survivor side and that's just math.-1 -
Ah the EZ as joke the biggest plot twist in the endgame chatt, casualy left there without explanation so it looks like you are salty pile of loss. What a mystery to get this message.
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That's another thing actually, Teabagging and hitting on hook and stuff is one thing, but I've received death threats from people outside of game as killer. Whenever I've played survivor, at best I'll get a ggs wp but most of the time I get nothing at all. I got a particularly new killer somehow who called me a slur, but that's about it, where survivors are full of legit vitriol
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I disagree, I think there would be a correlation to the amount I received from killers vs survivors. Maybe it's because trash talk is more common among lower skilled players, and survivors have the easier role? I mean, mentally at least. You can always blame your teammates if you lose as survivor, and can divvy up responsibilities. As killer all success or failure is dependant upon your own choices and abilities, so it's harder to blame someone else. I can't imagine such toxic people sticking with that for long. It's funny how the supposed power role in the asym is the Underdog anymore rather than the boss to defeat.
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That's fair. I hadn't considered that me toning it down would be considered rude, because most of the time when I 12 hook at 3 or 4 gens, I get called out for being a sweat or a no-life and get told to off myself. I guess you just can't win against this mindset, but if I'm going to be socially condemned no matter what I do as killer, why should I bother trying to give the survivors a better experience at the detriment of my own game? I would feel better killing someone early, getting more wins and taking my frustration out on them. Yet I don't. Have an iota of perspective.
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Some people take the game way too seriously and take the " assymetrical " part of it, outside the game and applying it toward the community thinking about division of the players base and not roles they have to take in order to play the game.
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