The Legion. By a Legion Main.
Back ground on me
Let's get this off first. I main the Legion and the spirit. I do not play characters based upon how strong they are. I play them based on game play or the backstory. I am also Rank 3 almost 1. I've made this account to discuss this.
Why I play The Legion
I fell in love with the Legion when they got released. Personally I didn't care about power but I still thought it was amazing how they could jump over pallets and windows. I thought it was something new/fresh instead of "Break pallet". Plus I've personally always loved doing and seeing parkour so I felt a personal connection between me and them. I also thought Susie was kinda cute? Not sure why but that's the truth.
How I feel about the Legion Currently
I see a lot of people saying "Oh legion is to powerful" others saying "the legion is super under powered". I have put a lot of time into legion but I have to admit there's times where I can't get a kill to save my life due to his power being almost non lethal. I understand on the survivors perspective this is really annoying to deal with because I make the game go on longer then it needs to. I understand on the Killers perspective because the legion is no where near viable for rank 1 use. But me personally with eyes unclouded by hatred. I feel like the legion is fine. The character is not "good" but I don't feel like they are the "worst". They are in the middle like the Doctor. (Sorry in advance all Doctor mains) I see the doctor of being Dominating lower tiers because people Don't know how to fight him but when they go into higher tiers he is weaker. I feel like this is applied to the Legion as well.
About Franks Mix tape...
I Personally find his mix tape to be okay. I don't think it should be removed. It's a bit needed I believe it should be in his base kit but that may just be a Killer mains perspective coming out causing bias. I think it is as needed as Ruin near the higher ranks or Self care for survivors.
Give me your opinion
I want to ask what all of you think but Killers be understanding to survivors. Survivors I ask you to be understanding to Killers.
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I am a rank 1 killer but I play survivor as well. The main problem with Legion is that they are extremely annoying to go against, the devs said that they want killers to be fun to play and go against, that's why they need a rework in my opinion
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Survivors don't hate Legion because he makes the game longer. In fact as a survivor main I argue that the longer the game the more fun it tends to be (to a limit, once the game has gone on for 10 minutes it quickly becomes less and less fun... I'm looking at you Doc). Survivors hate Legion because there is little (arguably no) counter play to Frenzy. If a Legion chases you with Frenzy you will get hit unless you have God-like 360's or the Legion is complete ass. The fun part on survivor side when being chased is avoiding the hit, which you can't do with Legion. If they Frenzy hit you, then follow you with a normal hit it's a bit more fun, but the DW timer means that if the chase breaks you have to Mend, and if the Legion is any good at killer they will be able to find you again.
Basically it means you can't ever truly escape a chase from a good Legion. You just, at best, extend it to the inevitable end. Or even worse, the DW timer drops enough that Legion can Frenzy hit you down, which is again unavoidable. This is why FMT is so busted because it let's Legion do this very easily. They can get 2 free hits on you with the first Frenzy, chase until their power is up, then get a third free hit to down you. There is absolutely nothing you can do to out play this. If you stand at a pallet the Legion can just wait until you drop it, then jump over and hit you, or if you never drop it they just swing through the pallet and because pallet hitboxes are lame they get you. It's lose-lose on survivor side.
You could argue that it's impossible to escape a chase versus a good Nurse, but the difference there is that 1) the Nurse takes skill to land those hits where Legion does not (sorry), and 2) you can indeed outplay the Nurse if you make smart moves. Additionally, stealth is very effective against the Nurse, so if you have IW and UE then you have more opportunity to escape those chases. Legion counters stealth too, since you can't hide while in DW or else you bleed out, and his power literally shows where other survivors are. The only counter to Legion is to split up and gen rush, but neither of these help in a chase. This is why Legion is such a lame killer, he ignores EVERYTHING survivors have to fight back against a killer, on top of the fact that nothing Legion does is inherently skillful like landing a blink or hatchet, or setting up a good bear trap, or predicting movement while in phase walk. All those things take some skill, Legion's power takes none. Sorry dude, but your main is just a cheesey no skill killer that ruins everything that is fun about being survivor. How killers enjoy playing like this is honestly beyond me.
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I used to main Legion for a while after release but after playing more survivor and rank 1 killer ive learned how EASY he is to dodge. Feral blurs your vision so bad that evading Legion is a cake walk.
Everyone just likes to cry OP instead of learning counter strategies.6 -
I don't hate legion. I hate teammates who self care after mending.0
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@Eveline said:
I don't hate legion. I hate teammates who self care after mending.I hate when people say that it's effective to not heal against a Legion. I down people using r2 all the time if I see they haven't healed. I get why you wouldn't see the need to heal, but the Legion is literally every other killer.
Ask yourself, what's the difference between healing against a Legion, or any other killer. You'll get hit eventually, so healing against anyone is a waste of time by your logic.
With the Trapper you can heal, but oh no you stepped on a trap right next to him. So your healing was worthless.
You healed against the Hag, but oh no, you triggered her trap and she teleported right next to you, hitting you and removing the time you spent healing.
You also can heal against Billy or Myers, but then they use their insta down, so healing is useless against them too?
The point is I'd rather have my team be safe then to not heal and be sorry (being injured without Iron Will, will get you killed since like 75% of all killers have good headphones 100% of the time). My apologies for basically ranting but this is the kind of thing that gets under my skin sometimes.
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I understand that he needs changes. But I don't think it is because of the pallet vaulting and more because of how he is low risk/low reward with his power.
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1, I must have god-like 360's... on console, bc I can make a Legion run out of Frenzy to the point I almost feel bad, 2, I'm forced to self-care after mending bc most Legion's have Thanatophobia and that gets hella annoying after a bit, 3, Legion's just fun to play as. I love running around and stabbing people and maybe getting a hook or two in. It's really, really, really fun. 4, ew I hate the #4 so now I have to talk about something bad, um, the Legion get's annoying after playing against them five times in a row but then again, every killer's annoying to go against 5 times in a row, speaking of 5, the person above me explained it pretty well. Idk, opinions seem to get you killed so, *shrug*
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Good luck playing forever and not doing any gen against the smart legion who just hits everyone once and uses thanatophobia.
Even tru3ta1ent is saying that healing against legion is #########.0 -
@Eveline said:
Good luck playing forever and not doing any gen against the smart legion who just hits everyone once and uses thanatophobia.Even tru3ta1ent is saying that healing against legion is #########.
I've faced Legions with Thana and still won. Pretty smart too.
Just don't get me started on Lagions...
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I played against the legion doing gens and not healing. Still won.0
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@NoodleLegs said:
1, I must have god-like 360's... on console, bc I can make a Legion run out of Frenzy to the point I almost feel bad,That's because on console, when you 360, it drops the framerate and makes survivors disappear. The frenzy screen is also really blurred on the edges so when you combine those two things, it's not as easy as people say it is to get a hit in.
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Huhmintchapstick said:@NoodleLegs said:
1, I must have god-like 360's... on console, bc I can make a Legion run out of Frenzy to the point I almost feel bad,That's because on console, when you 360, it drops the framerate and makes survivors disappear. The frenzy screen is also really blurred on the edges so when you combine those two things, it's not as easy as people say it is to get a hit in.
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https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/45661/legion-sidegrade#latest
@Dragonic_Lycan this rework is intended to help with most of the common legion complaints without removing the parts of it that make it fun like the Parkour
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@NoodleLegs said:
HuhYeah, haha, it honestly sucks. When you go up into purple & red ranks, survivors do two infuriating things during chases that are tbh kind of exploitative of console's limitations. I'm not saying it's cheating, but I am saying it's a pain in the ass:
- They get SUPER in your face & do small circles because again, drops the framerate and again, they just disappear on your screen and you have to try to anticipate where they're going/where they are.
- They like to do this annoying twitchy run that ######### with their hitboxes/console auto-aim, so if you try to hit them, auto-aim kicks in and gets confused.
So yeah. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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@Dragonic_Lycan said:
Back ground on me
Let's get this off first. I main the Legion and the spirit. I do not play characters based upon how strong they are. I play them based on game play or the backstory. I am also Rank 3 almost 1. I've made this account to discuss this.Why I play The Legion
I fell in love with the Legion when they got released. Personally I didn't care about power but I still thought it was amazing how they could jump over pallets and windows. I thought it was something new/fresh instead of "Break pallet". Plus I've personally always loved doing and seeing parkour so I felt a personal connection between me and them. I also thought Susie was kinda cute? Not sure why but that's the truth.How I feel about the Legion Currently
I see a lot of people saying "Oh legion is to powerful" others saying "the legion is super under powered". I have put a lot of time into legion but I have to admit there's times where I can't get a kill to save my life due to his power being almost non lethal. I understand on the survivors perspective this is really annoying to deal with because I make the game go on longer then it needs to. I understand on the Killers perspective because the legion is no where near viable for rank 1 use. But me personally with eyes unclouded by hatred. I feel like the legion is fine. The character is not "good" but I don't feel like they are the "worst". They are in the middle like the Doctor. (Sorry in advance all Doctor mains) I see the doctor of being Dominating lower tiers because people Don't know how to fight him but when they go into higher tiers he is weaker. I feel like this is applied to the Legion as well.About Franks Mix tape...
I Personally find his mix tape to be okay. I don't think it should be removed. It's a bit needed I believe it should be in his base kit but that may just be a Killer mains perspective coming out causing bias. I think it is as needed as Ruin near the higher ranks or Self care for survivors.Give me your opinion
I want to ask what all of you think but Killers be understanding to survivors. Survivors I ask you to be understanding to Killers.Im a survivor main.
I just dont hate legion i like her cosmetic! (i buyed the susie one), but it's so anooying to face a legion..
1.- you can't loop he can vault pallets/windows more fast than survivors..
2.- it's just so anooying to mend the whole game
3.- frank's mixtape personally for me is broken, because it dont requiere any skill to use he's power and they make a addon of down survivor in 3 hits + more speed? like #########
4.- he's power it's just stupid hit survivor for what? they are gonna mend and repair/heal.., he's power only work if him tunnel one survivor the whole game.0 -
I love Legion, I feel a real connection with the backstory and I love the playstyle. For me personally I want Legion to be a bit more lethal, like you said there are some games where you can go no kills because of how close you can get but can't quite end it fast enough. That's my gripe as playing Legion.
As a Survivor I have no problems, I literally do not care that I have to Mend every time they hit me, in fact I'd rather get hit by FF than a normal hit. Unlike most Survivors I care about my team and will loop Legion for as long as I possibly can so that my team can do the Gens, that's how you beat Legion.
I made a rework yesterday no one cared about and the only reason I thought of it is because everyone constantly complains about Legion so I offered a different perspective on the Killer and a new way to handle him. I only want Legion to be a bit more lethal, they don't need a nerf just a little boost but of course with this particular Killer a boost is extremely complicated.
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Don't say you can't loop or avoid frenzy, its possible and have done it. As far as looping goes it comes down to your surroundings and timing, knowing when to stop is key as well. No killer gets free hits, its a combo of them aiming and your maneuverability. Either you outplay them or the reverse, a free hit is you standing still or running in a straight line.1
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I think one of two things should happen to Franks Mixtape as a Legion Main. Franks Mixtape needs to be completely changed and Fuming mixtape should be the new Franks mixtape. Or Frank's mixtape should be changed to ultra rare.
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I TOTALLY agree with everything you said. That auto aim makes me miss hits sometimes if a survivor zigzags because when I go for the hit it pulls my camera left and right even though the survivor runs forward. I wish they would get rid of the aim assist.
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The only ways survivors have to counter the Legion are easily blocked by the Legion.
- Fake behind him during vaults; Legion who knows that's a trick can just look behind him after every vault.
- Don't heal against him because that wastes time, stick to gens; Legions can just hit them out of frenzy at a right time: Like at a bad loop, or while they try to rescue someone from a hook, etc, it is far easier to find the survivor with tracking perks/add-ons too so they can know who's the smart player that knows not to heal/waste time and make them a tunnel target if they wanted to.
- Break LOS; I have yet to see a Legion that doesn't find someone eventually. They usually have trackers and the mobility/low view to find people who are immersive even. I've seen legions with Stridor a good bunch.
I like Legions abilities, but something has to be done about it. There's a reason why he can get so many DCs just from appearing from the fog. Legions are stereo typically a bunch of 4k obsessed monkeys who can't take time in a game unless they're forcing survivors to be their farming pawns.
If I ever played Legion, I'd just use Bloody Partys and hopefully don't get DCs while I farm people which a lot of them do.
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