Campers

darkmother

Honestly the game is becoming such trash with all the campers in this game, there should be a thing that the entity pushes the killer away from the survivor if the killer is too close to them when hooked unless the killer is chasing another survivor in that area. Every lobby I've been in today  (8 in a row) has been killers who camp no one plays the game right anymore 🙄

Master

Unhook invulnreabiliy, faster unhook animation, camping emblem penalty, borrowed time, exhaustion reset after unhook

Thats not enough? Then I dont know what to say

darkmother

Not everyone uses those perks, if you're ok with a killer up on your face while hooked than you must be one of them 

TJE24

what invulnerability? never have seen the camping emblem penalty. exhaustion reset doesn't even matter cause even if you have the meg thomas sprint perk and you have a killer standing right there with the perk where his killer radius goes away, you still can't get away, what you can take two steps and get hit again like wow great, what a fun experience. the camping is cancerous and there needs to be something done about it a majority of games i play the killers don't leave the hooked survivors 

Eveline

If survivors deserve it I am not against it. If not then yes it sucks.

Orion

You are not entitled to an unhook. Camping has counters, use them. And no, you wouldn't see the penalty because you can't see emblems from other people, IIRC.

Yamaoka

It's pointless to complain about people who steal your spare time to boost their ego as long as camping is considered a strategy.

Shroompy

It depends as what situation you're in, camping is a viable but not fun strategy. It also depends what platform you play on. Killers during the end game tend to camp more, as there is no reason for them to leave the hook, there's nothing for them to focus on other than the kill. Also killers on console tend to have a more difficult time because of the low FPS and low sensitivity of their controller, so they might camp more often. Lower ranks you'll see more campers as well because they don't know any other viable strategy.
And yes, I do play killer and survivor equally. (Most of my hours are played on survivor) How ever I play killer to get a better understanding of the game, when I get camped or tunneled as survivor I can usually figure out why the killer is doing so. Because I myself have been in those situations of having to camp or tunnel. While I don't enjoy doing it, if it can help me in the long run Ill do it.

TJE24

I play as both a killer and survivor. I never camp and i can still kill the survivors a majority of time. there is no viable explanation you can give me for camping i play on xbox i don't have a single problem with the sensitivity or fps. i can understand camping at the end, but when the killer starts camping from the very beginning on the first person and just tunnel one person at a time and camp them it is just no fun.

Orion

There are many explanations, but until you accept that the killer doesn't have to bow to the survivors' will, you will never recognize it.
Survivors are supposed to be the weak role. If you're not picking the survivor role to face almost insurmountable odds against an unstoppable killing machine that makes you earn everything you try to do, then why'd you pick survivor?

Master

@TJE24 said:
what invulnerability? never have seen the camping emblem penalty. exhaustion reset doesn't even matter cause even if you have the meg thomas sprint perk and you have a killer standing right there with the perk where his killer radius goes away, you still can't get away, what you can take two steps and get hit again like wow great, what a fun experience. the camping is cancerous and there needs to be something done about it a majority of games i play the killers don't leave the hooked survivors 

During the unhook animation adn shortly afterwards you are invulnrabily to anything.
You ahve never seen the penalty? Well guess you only play survivor^^

Cant get away with sprint burst? Then I dont know what to say

Master

@Orion said:
There are many explanations, but until you accept that the killer doesn't have to bow to the survivors' will, you will never recognize it.
Survivors are supposed to be the weak role. If you're not picking the survivor role to face almost insurmountable odds against an unstoppable killing machine that makes you earn everything you try to do, then why'd you pick survivor?

They are supposed to be the weak role, but how is someone supposed to know that doesnt check lore?

TJE24

Master said:

@TJE24 said:
what invulnerability? never have seen the camping emblem penalty. exhaustion reset doesn't even matter cause even if you have the meg thomas sprint perk and you have a killer standing right there with the perk where his killer radius goes away, you still can't get away, what you can take two steps and get hit again like wow great, what a fun experience. the camping is cancerous and there needs to be something done about it a majority of games i play the killers don't leave the hooked survivors 

During the unhook animation adn shortly afterwards you are invulnrabily to anything.
You ahve never seen the penalty? Well guess you only play survivor^^

Cant get away with sprint burst? Then I dont know what to say

that's not true for xbox I've been knocked down immediately after being unhooked before i can move. and no i play as a killer also. and orion obviously the survivor is the weak role, but still all I'm saying is camping is an issue

Arroz

@Master said:
Unhook invulnreabiliy, faster unhook animation, camping emblem penalty, borrowed time, exhaustion reset after unhook

Thats not enough? Then I dont know what to say

1. Unhook invulnreability it's just only like 0,5 seconds and killers can just wait 1 second and your back to the floor again
2. faster unhook animation? only 1 second difference?, I didn't notice any difference and how does that help against a facecamper leatherface?
3. Anyways they can still use SAM.. and btw what about low ranks baby dwight getting facecamped? what about low ranks players fun?
4. borrowed time can hardly be activated, i want to know how to activate borrowed time against a facecamper insidious leatherface..?
5. Well, that doesn't help too much but it's okay, if you dont have dead hard or sprint burst your dead.

Arroz

@TJE24 said:
Master said:

@TJE24 said:

what invulnerability? never have seen the camping emblem penalty. exhaustion reset doesn't even matter cause even if you have the meg thomas sprint perk and you have a killer standing right there with the perk where his killer radius goes away, you still can't get away, what you can take two steps and get hit again like wow great, what a fun experience. the camping is cancerous and there needs to be something done about it a majority of games i play the killers don't leave the hooked survivors 

During the unhook animation adn shortly afterwards you are invulnrabily to anything.

You ahve never seen the penalty? Well guess you only play survivor^^

Cant get away with sprint burst? Then I dont know what to say

that's not true for xbox I've been knocked down immediately after being unhooked before i can move. and no i play as a killer also. and orion obviously the survivor is the weak role, but still all I'm saying is camping is an issue

Because thar rarely work, it's just like a 0,5 protection

DemonDaddy

@TJE24
Yeah camping sucks, so does being singled out because of the killer wants to eliminate everybody one person at a time. It feels really oppressive like you're being hunted down singled out and killed. I commend you for playing into the survivors preferred method but that's all you're doing playing to their their preference. Killers want to kill somebody off and that's what they're supposed to be doing. You had the chance to beat the Killer and Escape but they outplayed you. After that it's up to the team to beat the Killer and provide you with an additional chance it's not a handout.

Master

@TJE24 said:
Master said:

@TJE24 said:

what invulnerability? never have seen the camping emblem penalty. exhaustion reset doesn't even matter cause even if you have the meg thomas sprint perk and you have a killer standing right there with the perk where his killer radius goes away, you still can't get away, what you can take two steps and get hit again like wow great, what a fun experience. the camping is cancerous and there needs to be something done about it a majority of games i play the killers don't leave the hooked survivors 

During the unhook animation adn shortly afterwards you are invulnrabily to anything.

You ahve never seen the penalty? Well guess you only play survivor^^

Cant get away with sprint burst? Then I dont know what to say

that's not true for xbox I've been knocked down immediately after being unhooked before i can move. and no i play as a killer also. and orion obviously the survivor is the weak role, but still all I'm saying is camping is an issue

Footage, i dare to say taht this is impossible now

GrootDude

Camping is a boring strategy but a strategy none the less. If you’re doing swf have them rush gens it is boring being the one on the hook but oh well you have next game. If you’re solo then get kindred maybe your team will take the hint.

GrootDude

Unhook invulnerability last 0.5 seconds don’t move for that time and hope the killer doesn’t also wait.

TeaLeaf

@Master said:

@Orion said:
There are many explanations, but until you accept that the killer doesn't have to bow to the survivors' will, you will never recognize it.
Survivors are supposed to be the weak role. If you're not picking the survivor role to face almost insurmountable odds against an unstoppable killing machine that makes you earn everything you try to do, then why'd you pick survivor?

They are supposed to be the weak role, but how is someone supposed to know that doesnt check lore?

Common... sense..?

Master

@TeaLeaf said:

@Master said:

@Orion said:
There are many explanations, but until you accept that the killer doesn't have to bow to the survivors' will, you will never recognize it.
Survivors are supposed to be the weak role. If you're not picking the survivor role to face almost insurmountable odds against an unstoppable killing machine that makes you earn everything you try to do, then why'd you pick survivor?

They are supposed to be the weak role, but how is someone supposed to know that doesnt check lore?

Common... sense..?

You would think so, but not in this community^^

Nea_Death_Experience

Master makes a good point with the amount survivors get: "Unhook invulnerability, faster unhook animation, camping emblem penalty, borrowed time, exhaustion reset after unhook" But while this is true you still get camped often and killers just chase you until you go down again. With the borrowed time nerf (it was a needed) quiet often you will just trade with the survivor on the hook. But trying to say that it can be countered by everyone has to run this specific perk to counter it is not a fix, it proves there is an issue. New DS changes make a good counter for a camp but you shouldn't have to always have a specific perk to live; this goes for killers too, they shouldn't need to take ruin every game.

Arroz makes some survivor based points that i don't feel should be dismissed because that is what it looks like from that side. I experience it on both sides and I honestly favour survivor because killer is just too stressful some days and with the ranking system being all over the show I often meet survivors who are way better than me.

I think a cool dynamic would be a mechanic called "Pressure' or something similar which could work on keeping survivors off gens and hiding and such. This can slow the survivors while they are in game and might make ruin not as needed. I am not sure on balancing or anything it is just an idea to give killers a reason not to camp based on someones point of view.

What it come down to is the killer isn't strong enough to not have to camp some times (Leatherface is #########) and survivors are being debuffed so that it makes it harder to punish camping. I actually think your hook timer should go slower or stop in the terror radius because I being stuck on the hook for my entire game and I hate having to camp when I play killer. Sometimes a camp is needed to get the advantage and sometimes someone is an ######### and needs to die even at the cost of the game. But camping is an abused dynamic and it can easily ruin the fun of survivor games, and killer is just loop and lobby simulator for me so I have almost given up that.

To sum up this entire convo, camping stems from under powered killers and it can't be taken away until the survivors loose some potential to waste all of a killers time. To get rid or camping the killer needs to be in control and they just aren't. Camping isn't the issue, it's caused by the issue.

I will read any comment I am tagged it and would love to discuss or develop any ideas.

Thanks for reading my rabble.