Observations concerning the new DS
You thought about the effects of Enduring, Rancor, even Borrowed time, but have you thought about it at Mori?
If the change of the DS will be made permanent, the use of the Mori (all of them) will be increased more thanks to the rework of the perk. If the DS needs to be activated after they have released you from the hook the killer will not need to hang up on the hook, he will kill you directly through Mori, leaving you with no chance of using it.
This is my concern for the game, since I play both roles. My game has never been influenced by the DS's addiction, neither by killer nor by survivor, but I understand the importance of such a perk, as for the NOED for the killer, or others. So, have you thought about this before getting enough feedback for the final release?
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No, people will not use more mori.
Killers who like to use mori are using them anyway. The others won't try to use them just because of a perk.
They can't use mori every other game honestly.
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@Delfador said:
No, people will not use more mori.Killers who like to use mori are using them anyway. The others won't try to use them just because of a perk.
They can't use mori every other game honestly.
so confident on 100% of the community? I see a possible advantage that some people will use against the survivors just to avoid the DS, and there are several people who complain.
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@Skairipa said:
so confident on 100% of the community? I see a possible advantage that some people will use against the survivors just to avoid the DS, and there are several people who complain.
I can't say that I am sure but even though they try to use them, they will run out of them. I really don't see any reason to concern about this.
We'll see if it happens I guess.
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The Killer wont know who has DS until they pick them up after the first hook. If the killer was going to Mori you there would be no difference in the turn out since you wouldn't get the chance to use new DS anyway.
Just because DS now has prerequisites doesn't mean Moris are stronger it just means that an OP perk was balanced and that instant second chance escape is now no longer instant.
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Ok, not even I use these tricks to play against four people, if I have to have fun I do it properly. but the possibility of this meta is right there.
I'm doing it wrong?
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ITT "Killer might kill you. OP"
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I don't think it will change much.
At the moment the killer can easily hook the 3 non-obsessions befote they hit their 35%. Then down them and mori them and DS never came into play.
Only the obsession had a chance at using DS, and even then it was always possible to dribble them to a hook.
DS came into play over the full 12 hooks. Dribbling the obsession to the hook once was always easy, doing it 3 times in a row was when it became very difficult.
Same for 35%. Not too bad sometimes but f you went for a basement hook you'd get hit, or late game when hooks have been used on sacrifices and you're forced to walk further.
The chance of taking a DS increased with every hook you attempted to make. It wasn't too common when you only had 4 hooks to make.
Having said all that however I think they should remove the mori dailies. Usage sould decrease after this. It's pretty bad when the devs are encouraging players to use them like that. Myself and others I have asked mostly only use them for a daily, or if the group looks especially toxic.0 -
@Skairipa said:
Ok, not even I use these tricks to play against four people, if I have to have fun I do it properly. but the possibility of this meta is right there.
I'm doing it wrong?
Dunno. Play the game how you want, and I'll play how I want. Same goes for everyone, toxic or not.
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@Bongbingbing said:
The Killer wont know who has DS until they pick them up after the first hook. If the killer was going to Mori you there would be no difference in the turn out since you wouldn't get the chance to use new DS anyway.Just because DS now has prerequisites doesn't mean Moris are stronger it just means that an OP perk was balanced and that instant second chance escape is now no longer instant.
where it is written that the killer will not know who will be the obsession? If so, then the game would seem "balanced", but we start from high rankings where the killers are very aware of the DS, and playing, with a swf I would expect 4 DS like all the rest, so if I have enough Mori to destroy the game of four if not hundreds of people, why should not there be the possibility of abuse by killers?
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@Skairipa said:
@Bongbingbing said:
The Killer wont know who has DS until they pick them up after the first hook. If the killer was going to Mori you there would be no difference in the turn out since you wouldn't get the chance to use new DS anyway.Just because DS now has prerequisites doesn't mean Moris are stronger it just means that an OP perk was balanced and that instant second chance escape is now no longer instant.
where it is written that the killer will not know who will be the obsession? If so, then the game would seem "balanced", but we start from high rankings where the killers are very aware of the DS, and playing, with a swf I would expect 4 DS like all the rest, so if I have enough Mori to destroy the game of four if not hundreds of people, why should not there be the possibility of abuse by killers?
Let's say you hooked a non obsession and then knocked them down after they were unhooked. They can now stab your back and they become the obsession. That's what he meant. As for the rest, well that's up to the players if it gets abused or not. (Also the bloodweb.)
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