Killers Using NOED
I don't know if it's just me but literally EVERY OTHER match the killer has NOED and I'm talking any killer, hag, leatherface, spirit, legion, nurse whatever.
This is at high ranks (where I sadly end up being) meaning the killer already has all the crutch perks and keeps pressure on gens then you BARELY finish all 5 of them and they get NOED because we didn't have enough time to go do totems.
And before killer mains start screaming about doing all the totems, relax that doesn't always work. That would literally be a 3 man game if one person goes around doing dull totems while his teammates are dying in the background. Also lets not compare it to Adrenaline, NOED is active till the totem is broken and Adrenaline is only useful if you're in any type of danger other that than it's totally useless.
The point is it's getting really stale having killers using it so often these days even the ones that don't need it like Myres, leatherface, hillbilly, nurse etc.
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@TangledNoodles said:
And before killer mains start screaming about doing all the totems, relax that doesn't always work.As a survivor main, am I allowed to say it? Doing all the totems is not a problem as long as the survivors play well. You have enough time to do all the gens AND totems. Time pressure is on the killer, not on you.
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It would be nice to not have to use it if gens weren’t rushed in under 5 minutes, but that’s just because of recent buffs to Prove Thyself and the fact that the devs don’t want to touch toolboxes in fear of Survivor mains screeching at them for doing something about it. I’m sure NoeD would be used less often whenever they establish a new endgame though, but as of now, there’s not much anyone can really do. It is neither side’s fault for how the game currently is, it’s just one of those perks thats needed at higher ranks now. Such as Adrenaline and Decisive being crutches for Survivors, even Killers must go for the same kind of play style if they’re going to want to get anywhere in the current game’s meta.
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You must assume Noed for every killer. Run Hope/small game if you want to be the counter person. If you don't want to run those perks then you just have to do totems best you can or at least remember where they were. It is part of the game and your post will not change the minds of killers that run this perk.
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Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.
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You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.
NOEd is fine and perfectly balanced.
Also dead hard and sprint burst need a nerf and self-care should be nerfed to 20% healing speed.1 -
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@NoShinyPony said:
@TangledNoodles said:
And before killer mains start screaming about doing all the totems, relax that doesn't always work.As a survivor main, am I allowed to say it? Doing all the totems is not a problem as long as the survivors play well. You have enough time to do all the gens AND totems. Time pressure is on the killer, not on you.
@NoShinyPony If you're playing solo you don't know if the other people even did any totems and if it's any killer that can rush and they have BBQ and chili you won't have enough time to do ######### besides gens and unhooking people.
1 person on the hook
1 person unhooking
1 person doing a gen or possibly running to the hook
and the other one doing a totem or dying trying because of BBQ.2 -
@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.NOEd is fine and perfectly balanced.
Also dead hard and sprint burst need a nerf and self-care should be nerfed to 20% healing speed.
@The_Crusader LOL! I don't care if I die as long as I get a decent amount of bp, Dead hard doesn't need a nerf because 25% of the time you get hit anyway and who the hell uses spring burst nowadays anyway? Have you played the game in the last couple of months? lol
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@TangledNoodles It doesn't matter. The killer mains get uptight and stomp their feet if anyone tries to take their precious NOED away from them and the devs cave in everytime.
They don't even want a totem counter because they don't want solos deatroying the totems. They desperately want their frre instadowns at the end.
These are the same people that lobby dodge SWF too I bet because gotta protect those totems.3 -
@TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
How many people run Bitter Murmur again? I know a few sure, but unless you also run into a Bitter Murmur user every match, this point is moot.
That's not to say I don't understand the frustration of facing a NoEd user constantly, but the tools to avoid it being used at all is right there. I had started to play solo more frequently (rank 8-2 as far as I remember) and I've stopped several NoEd users by myself. I don't even run Small Game.
Again, I understand you. And so I can be fair I won't be that guy who is all like "BuT sURvIvoRs!" I will tell you however you have more then enough tools to fight off against killers. I'm sorry if this is not what you want to hear, but it is true. I hope my response is not perceived as disrespectful in any way, that is not what I am aiming for.
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This forum is flooded with salty killer mains who struggle to get 1 kill despite running ruin+noed at all times. Every thread about "I camped survivors, YO!" gets multiple likes so don't expect anyone to agree with you.
Just play killer and be the change you want to see. That's what I do. I play without crutches, without camping, without tunneling and currently even without ruin and I still get my 4k most of the time.
I get positive feedback once in a while and really enjoy the games a lot more than I used to. Meanwhile all those ruin+noed tryhards get insulted everyday and come here to cry about all those toxic survivors. Guess what: You're the reason they're tbagging.
Some guy sent me a wall of text after a game the other day literally thanking me for a fair game even though I killed him.
I remember the days when survivors really were op as hell with their pallet vacuums, infinite sprint bursts, tons of pallets on "blood lodge", completely broken loops etc.
Those days are gone. If you are a killer main and you still struggle to kill survivors then it's a YOU problem.3 -
It was sarcasm dude. But it's genuinely what some people think.TangledNoodles said:@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.NOEd is fine and perfectly balanced.
Also dead hard and sprint burst need a nerf and self-care should be nerfed to 20% healing speed.
@The_Crusader LOL! I don't care if I die as long as I get a decent amount of bp, Dead hard doesn't need a nerf because 25% of the time you get hit anyway and who the hell uses spring burst nowadays anyway? Have you played the game in the last couple of months? lol
Sadly these seem to be the people that get listened to these days.1 -
@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better. That kind of deal.
NOEd is fine and perfectly balanced.
It sorta is, given the circumstances.
Also dead hard and sprint burst need a nerf and self-care should be nerfed to 20% healing speed.
Nay, I play a lot of killer but I don't think this myself. A vocal minority of killers perhaps.
I am aware you are using sarcasm, but this post has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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TangledNoodles said:
This is at high ranks (where I sadly end up being) meaning the killer already has all the crutch perks and keeps pressure on gens then you BARELY finish all 5 of them and they get NOED because we didn't have enough time to go do totems.
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So it would have been better if the killer didn't handicap himself with only three perks and completely destroyed you before the gens were done?0 -
I wish I could give your post 2 awesomes.Yamaoka said:This forum is flooded with salty killer mains who struggle to get 1 kill despite running ruin+noed at all times. Every thread about "I camped survivors, YO!" gets multiple likes so don't expect anyone to agree with you.
Just play killer and be the change you want to see. That's what I do. I play without crutches, without camping, without tunneling and currently even without ruin and I still get my 4k most of the time.
I get positive feedback once in a while and really enjoy the games a lot more than I used to. Meanwhile all those ruin+noed tryhards get insulted everyday and come here to cry about all those toxic survivors. Guess what: You're the reason they're tbagging.
Some guy sent me a wall of text after a game the other day literally thanking me for a fair game even though I killed him.
I remember the days when survivors really were op as hell with their pallet vacuums, infinite sprint bursts, tons of pallets on "blood lodge", completely broken loops etc.
Those days are gone. If you are a killer main and you still struggle to kill survivors then it's a YOU problem.2 -
@Tzeentchling9 said:
TangledNoodles said:This is at high ranks (where I sadly end up being) meaning the killer already has all the crutch perks and keeps pressure on gens then you BARELY finish all 5 of them and they get NOED because we didn't have enough time to go do totems.
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So it would have been better if the killer didn't handicap himself with only three perks and completely destroyed you before the gens were done?
@Tzeentchling9 You only need BBQ, Ruin honestly. When I play killer I don't even have BBQ (because I didn't buy the DLC) and barely any ruin and I still manage to get kills around rank 10ish. So I can only imagine how much easier it would be to find survivors if I had BBQ alone.
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@TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
And how many do you see running Bitter Murmur alongside NOED? I'll bet you see a lot more with NOED, which is why any rational person would break the totems. You know, use the counter for a perk that's picked a lot, as opposed to choosing not to use the counter, then complaining that the perk took effect.
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@Shad03 said:
@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better. That kind of deal.
@Shad03 Killing someone doesn't make you better and escaping doesn't make you better either lol.
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@TangledNoodles said:
@Shad03 said:
@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better. That kind of deal.
@Shad03 Killing someone doesn't make you better and escaping doesn't make you better either lol.
I would be inclined to disagree, but then again rank matters little in this game. Still, I kill a good survivor, that means I am a good killer. I escape a good killer, I am a good survivor. Get what I'm saying?
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You need better teammates if you can't cleanse 5 totems collectively before the gens pop.
If it's anyone other than Billy I just expect NOED and make sure all 5 go down before the gens, or at least 4 (leaving the most obvious one up for the ez 1k BP at the end).
If you play SWF it's even easier to keep track. If solo try out small game. If you are legit facing it that often you have options.
Heck, if you don't want to run small game you can still count to 5. Look for totems, count in the ones you found that are already broken plus the ones you break. Totem spawns are super obvious and easy to locate on most maps.
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@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.This ^^^^ I sometimes don't do totems because of being time crunched but try to keep notice of where they are to break if NOED pops. If i can't find it i'm out. If i get downed unless you are working on the totem leave.
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@Orion said:
@TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
And how many do you see running Bitter Murmur alongside NOED? I'll bet you see a lot more with NOED, which is why any rational person would break the totems. You know, use the counter for a perk that's picked a lot, as opposed to choosing not to use the counter, then complaining that the perk took effect.
@Orion I have even used MAPS to track totems, but I always end up having to save someone from the hook or having to do a gen cause no one is doing jack #########. Also I've seen killers use Bitter Murmur with NOED a few times because that's the only way they can get kills at the end and that's what they were hoping for.
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Except, you know, distortion is a thing.TangledNoodles said:1 -
If killer is bad always expect NOED. If killer is good just cleanse the well hidden dull totems you come across so if NOED pops it has higher % to spawn on totems that are easily found.
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@Carpemortum said:
TangledNoodles said:@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.
@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
Except, you know, distortion is a thing.
@Carpemortum Except you know there's only 3 tokens, or I should just stay in a locker half the game.
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I see that bliss reference sirShad03 said:@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better.
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God forbid killers use end game builds, right?TangledNoodles said:@Orion said:
@TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
And how many do you see running Bitter Murmur alongside NOED? I'll bet you see a lot more with NOED, which is why any rational person would break the totems. You know, use the counter for a perk that's picked a lot, as opposed to choosing not to use the counter, then complaining that the perk took effect.
@Orion I have even used MAPS to track totems, but I always end up having to save someone from the hook or having to do a gen cause no one is doing jack #########. Also I've seen killers use Bitter Murmur with NOED a few times because that's the only way they can get kills at the end and that's what they were hoping for.
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@TangledNoodles said:
@NoShinyPony If you're playing solo you don't know if the other people even did any totems and if it's any killer that can rush and they have BBQ and chili you won't have enough time to do ######### besides gens and unhooking people.
1 person on the hook
1 person unhooking
1 person doing a gen or possibly running to the hook
and the other one doing a totem or dying trying because of BBQ.I'm playing mostly solo. If you care about NOED, bring Small Game and do the job yourself.
Again, if the survivors play well, there is enough time to do gens and totems. If the survivors get downed after 20 seconds of chase, then there's not enough time, but that's the survivors' fault.
I know that you get a lot of bad games when you play solo. If teammates make severe mistakes, you sometimes can't compensate. But that's totally okay: If the survs don't play well, they deserve to lose the match.
If playing with random teammates frustrates you too much, switch to SWF.
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So bitter murmer tags EVERYONE every gen? No, only once. Get away from them before they finish. Dont act like an idiot. Or are you now expecting all killers to run murmer AND another aura perk? Its not hard to hide.TangledNoodles said:@Carpemortum said:
TangledNoodles said:@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.
@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
Except, you know, distortion is a thing.
@Carpemortum Except you know there's only 3 tokens, or I should just stay in a locker half the game.
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@CaptainCastle said:
Shad03 said:@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.
Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better.
I see that bliss reference sir
Yes, only because it rings true.
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NOED is really only balanced in a match if survivors were able to use stealth to buy time and look/not look for totems. It becomes unbalanced in the kind of scenario the OP describes where the survivors are barely surviving and finished the last gen knowing that probably only one survivor is escaping anyway, and that’s all before a survivor is expecting NOED2
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@TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said:
@TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
And how many do you see running Bitter Murmur alongside NOED? I'll bet you see a lot more with NOED, which is why any rational person would break the totems. You know, use the counter for a perk that's picked a lot, as opposed to choosing not to use the counter, then complaining that the perk took effect.
@Orion I have even used MAPS to track totems, but I always end up having to save someone from the hook or having to do a gen cause no one is doing jack #########. Also I've seen killers use Bitter Murmur with NOED a few times because that's the only way they can get kills at the end and that's what they were hoping for.
So you used maps to track totems, but you had to unhook or repair gens because nobody is doing anything. That's a problem with your teammates, and thus I suggest you stop doing the things that are causing you to lose or blame your teammates rather than the killer.
End-game builds are a thing, and the perks are appropriately powerful. Since end-game perks are usually completely useless during the trial itself, they have to make up for it when the trial is almost over. This is a "you" problem. If the killers were worse than you, then you wouldn't lose.1 -
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I almost never see noed, with totems still being insanely easy to find. Ruin and the spirit's hex are way more common. Last 3 noed users didn't even get it to activate.0
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@TangledNoodles said:
I don't know if it's just me but literally EVERY OTHER match the killer has NOED and I'm talking any killer, hag, leatherface, spirit, legion, nurse whatever.This is at high ranks (where I sadly end up being) meaning the killer already has all the crutch perks and keeps pressure on gens then you BARELY finish all 5 of them and they get NOED because we didn't have enough time to go do totems.
And before killer mains start screaming about doing all the totems, relax that doesn't always work. That would literally be a 3 man game if one person goes around doing dull totems while his teammates are dying in the background. Also lets not compare it to Adrenaline, NOED is active till the totem is broken and Adrenaline is only useful if you're in any type of danger other that than it's totally useless.
The point is it's getting really stale having killers using it so often these days even the ones that don't need it like Myres, leatherface, hillbilly, nurse etc.
Why dont u grow up some BALLS and use No Mither? Its a great counter to NOED since the NOED effects are basically negated. I use it every day and never had any problems with NOED!
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@ColonGlock said:
You must assume Noed for every killer. Run Hope/small game if you want to be the counter person. If you don't want to run those perks then you just have to do totems best you can or at least remember where they were. It is part of the game and your post will not change the minds of killers that run this perk.I honestly agree with you on most of what you mentioned, especially since if one is using Detectives Hunch, as it can help with locating any totems within a certain range. However, I will say that one thing I do have to mention that @TangledNoodles brought up as a good point, is that people who use any type of killer have been using NOED when they are killers that don't even need to use it because of their abilities or set of perks that give survivors exposed status effects or can down them in one hit with their equipment. They could literally use another perk that could work more effectively for those types of killers than NOED. If a killer like the hag, Wraith, Nurse, Doctor, and even trapper(If they aren't running the add-on that puts survivors in the dying state after freeing themselves) as good examples for killers I can see using NOED effectively unlike the other ones they mentioned. It has and still is a problem, and truly people need to kind of shy away from using it so frequently and experiment with different perks instead of using the same perks over and over. Usually I change up my build almost often by switching out two to three perks to try them out. But there are a few I refuse to use at all because I don't want to rely on them or use them as a crutch, because I want to challenge myself so when I'm a killer, I can be fair, make the game thrilling and enjoyable for me and the survivors.
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Cleansing all totems should take no longer than maybe 3 minutes depending on the map. If the killer can kill the other 3 survivors in that time frame, you weren't going to win regardless of NOED. If the killer gets early game momentum then pop a generator to take it away. You will have plenty of time afterwards to cleanse the remaining totems. The only nerf NOED needs imo is when killers are within 16m of the hooked survivor without being in a chase the auras of full totems should be revealed. I would tie this in with regular game mechanics instead of NOED though.
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NOED has counterplay. It just does.
If you're going solo, cleanse a couple totems... and just assume the other 3 survivors are getting the other 3.
You're not entitled to survive and the premise of this game is to have a hard time surviving. If I get NOED'd... I think...well that sucks... but I move on. I sometimes pass dull totems. I usually get 2 myself. It's 28 seconds or so.
NOED can be completely nullified. Also NOED on 110% movement speed killer like Hag, Spirit, Legion etc... isn't that viable. With NOED, they are still slower than any base 115% killer.
So if you're ever downed via NOED with a 110% killer... get rekt man. It's apart of the game. DS while it is annoying is apart of the game also... and has been for like 2 years lol.
The hatch has been 80/20 survivor sided for 2 years and change.
NOED is needed. It puts fear into entitled survivors. It usually get broken pretty quickly anyways, and like I've said several times, can be negated entirely.
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@Dwight_Confusion said:
NOED has counterplay. It just does.If you're going solo, cleanse a couple totems... and just assume the other 3 survivors are getting the other 3.
You're not entitled to survive and the premise of this game is to have a hard time surviving. If I get NOED'd... I think...well that sucks... but I move on. I sometimes pass dull totems. I usually get 2 myself. It's 28 seconds or so.
NOED can be completely nullified. Also NOED on 110% movement speed killer like Hag, Spirit, Legion etc... isn't that viable. With NOED, they are still slower than any base 115% killer.
So if you're ever downed via NOED with a 110% killer... get rekt man. It's apart of the game. DS while it is annoying is apart of the game also... and has been for like 2 years lol.
The hatch has been 80/20 survivor sided for 2 years and change.
NOED is needed. It puts fear into entitled survivors. It usually get broken pretty quickly anyways, and like I've said several times, can be negated entirely.
This all sounds biased to me lol. Everything sounds great in theory go break totems while the rest of the game is on hold.
Again the whole "it's supposed to be hard to survive" argument. I don't care if I escape or not as long as I get a decent amount of points.1 -
Well I play both and as survivor I run small game and cleanse the totems unless I see a secret offering and I don’t use noed as killer.
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5 totems is basically an extra gen in time.
An extra generator just to counter 1 perk. Doesn't seem like an OP perk at all.2 -
@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.NOEd is fine and perfectly balanced.
Also dead hard and sprint burst need a nerf and self-care should be nerfed to 20% healing speed.
That's the dumbest thing I've heard. They're called Survivors because their objective is to survive, as Killers are supposed to kill.
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Then why is it an issue?TangledNoodles said:@Dwight_Confusion said:
NOED has counterplay. It just does.If you're going solo, cleanse a couple totems... and just assume the other 3 survivors are getting the other 3.
You're not entitled to survive and the premise of this game is to have a hard time surviving. If I get NOED'd... I think...well that sucks... but I move on. I sometimes pass dull totems. I usually get 2 myself. It's 28 seconds or so.
NOED can be completely nullified. Also NOED on 110% movement speed killer like Hag, Spirit, Legion etc... isn't that viable. With NOED, they are still slower than any base 115% killer.
So if you're ever downed via NOED with a 110% killer... get rekt man. It's apart of the game. DS while it is annoying is apart of the game also... and has been for like 2 years lol.
The hatch has been 80/20 survivor sided for 2 years and change.
NOED is needed. It puts fear into entitled survivors. It usually get broken pretty quickly anyways, and like I've said several times, can be negated entirely.
This all sounds biased to me lol. Everything sounds great in theory go break totems while the rest of the game is on hold.
Again the whole "it's supposed to be hard to survive" argument. I don't care if I escape or not as long as I get a decent amount of points.0 -
@TangledNoodles said:
@Dwight_Confusion said:
NOED has counterplay. It just does.If you're going solo, cleanse a couple totems... and just assume the other 3 survivors are getting the other 3.
You're not entitled to survive and the premise of this game is to have a hard time surviving. If I get NOED'd... I think...well that sucks... but I move on. I sometimes pass dull totems. I usually get 2 myself. It's 28 seconds or so.
NOED can be completely nullified. Also NOED on 110% movement speed killer like Hag, Spirit, Legion etc... isn't that viable. With NOED, they are still slower than any base 115% killer.
So if you're ever downed via NOED with a 110% killer... get rekt man. It's apart of the game. DS while it is annoying is apart of the game also... and has been for like 2 years lol.
The hatch has been 80/20 survivor sided for 2 years and change.
NOED is needed. It puts fear into entitled survivors. It usually get broken pretty quickly anyways, and like I've said several times, can be negated entirely.
This all sounds biased to me lol. Everything sounds great in theory go break totems while the rest of the game is on hold.
Again the whole "it's supposed to be hard to survive" argument. I don't care if I escape or not as long as I get a decent amount of points.I play both sides man. I get it. I play more killer, but I enjoy survivor as well. I don't expect to survive. I expect to due against a good killer.
If I get hard camped... now that is annoying for sure, but I got caught... that's on me.
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just git gud
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Another hour, another noed post.
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How often dies a survivor run by a dull totem in a match and doesn't do it? I see it alot when playing survior. No Ed is one of the easiest perks to get rid of . Hell I stopped using it cause people did the totems and it wasn't active.0
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@TangledNoodles said:
I don't know if it's just me but literally EVERY OTHER match the killer has NOED and I'm talking any killer, hag, leatherface, spirit, legion, nurse whatever.This is at high ranks (where I sadly end up being) meaning the killer already has all the crutch perks and keeps pressure on gens then you BARELY finish all 5 of them and they get NOED because we didn't have enough time to go do totems.
And before killer mains start screaming about doing all the totems, relax that doesn't always work. That would literally be a 3 man game if one person goes around doing dull totems while his teammates are dying in the background. Also lets not compare it to Adrenaline, NOED is active till the totem is broken and Adrenaline is only useful if you're in any type of danger other that than it's totally useless.
The point is it's getting really stale having killers using it so often these days even the ones that don't need it like Myres, leatherface, hillbilly, nurse etc.
There is enough time to do totems and gens
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Noed is the biggest crutch perk in the game.
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@Carpemortum said:
TangledNoodles said:@Carpemortum said:
TangledNoodles said:
@Orion said: Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP. @Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.
Except, you know, distortion is a thing.
@Carpemortum Except you know there's only 3 tokens, or I should just stay in a locker half the game.
So bitter murmer tags EVERYONE every gen? No, only once. Get away from them before they finish. Dont act like an idiot. Or are you now expecting all killers to run murmer AND another aura perk? Its not hard to hide.
@Carpemortum Relax why do y'all get so agitated? Also yeah killers have multiple aura reading perks, BBQ most commonly and sometimes there's no locker in sight so it uses the tokens.
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