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Killer is No Longer Fun
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I agree. I have tons of time on Xbox as killer and it’s just not fun any more. Every map is loop loop loop pallet pallet pallet t-wall t-wall t-wall. Every survivor running an exhaustion perk and Adrenaline. Only defense against the gen rush is Ruin and hex spawns are garbage and Ruin is gone right away.
SWF requires you to play like a jerk in order to succeed and then of course survivors get salty. The only way around all of this is to pick one of the meta killers, **** you if you want to play a fun killer like Trapper or Hag.
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you pretty much started the game a month ago.. I have been playing since 2016, killer is easy mode now. learn the game more then open threads imo.. with all due respect
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Thank you so much for your offer of help! I play trapper mainly, I have difficulty on any map where traps are super easy to see (no grass). I have nurse Lvl 40 and I just got cannibal to lvl 10. Hillybilly lvl 5.
On trapper I run: Sloppy Butcher, Whispers, NOED, Brutal Strength
Planning to throw endurance in there from hillbilly and BBQ & Chili from cannibal, but many BP away from those two perks.
Biggest issue I have is with players who can loop me for minutes on end -- who know where every pallet is. This isn't (as big) an issue if I have a trap on me, but I do not always have a trap on me.
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@harry14141414 Thank you so much for your offer! Although all your posts relate to survivors and/or brag about how you've played since open beta, I am going to assume you aren't lying about killer being 'easy mode'.
What tips do you have for a rank 12 Trapper/Cannibal?
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@Tru3Lemon I get 4ks about 30% of my games, that doesn't make those games fun. Its still full of the same looping/bully B.S.
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"Biggest issue I have is with players who can loop me for minutes on end -- who know where every pallet is. This isn't (as big) an issue if I have a trap on me, but I do not always have a trap on me."
The point of trapper is to utilize his traps to the fullest. If you see a survivor at the start of a trial, it may be best to ignore them and try to place as many traps as possible. You also want to be trapping areas like the killer shack window and other popular spots, not just random areas of grass. And again, if you are getting looped for minutes on end there really is something you are doing wrong. You should be able to end chases faster than that by being unpredictable and properly learning how to loop. Watch that video @Peasant posted, it will help you tremendously. Like I said, everyone thinks they know how to loop and counter loop properly, until they actually see someone doing it properly...and dear God stop running around jungle gyms clockwise. Make sure that's scarred into your head so you don't forget, it's the most important thing when being looped around jungle gyms.
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@Vexon Thank you for the reply! Before I started playing killer, I watched about 10 - 15 hours worth of videos on how to play, including the one peasant linked.
Yeah, moonwalking is great, I know how to hide light, etc. But my actions are completely dictated by survivor actions. Killers are solely reactionary.
And how come the best killers in the world can get looped for 1 to 2 minutes? I've seen truet4lent get looped on trapper once for almost 3 minutes. Did he suck?
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@MystiKasT Honestly, the best advice I can give you is to watch guides on the game, and avoid the forums at all costs. I've been gaming for a long, long time and these forums are a cesspool of negativity and "Killer main" vs "Survivor main" juvenile BS. All of which is mostly self-serving for one side or the other.
You'd be better served avoiding this segment of the community entirely, and just turning to various YouTube guides instead.
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@MystiKasT Okay, I honestly don't play a lot of Trapper but I know the basics.
First off, ALWAYS trap the shack window. People will always go for it, even if they see you're a trapper.
Secondly, always keep a trap on hand. Hillbillies get corner downs with the saw and you can get corner downs with a trap so don't deny yourself that chance.
In terms of perks, honestly the "I don't know what I'm doing build": BBQ, Enduring, Ruin or Sloppy, and NOED should be a good starting build but you'll have to seek out trapper mains for better builds.
Lastly, NEVER place your trap directly next to a pallet. If you do, survivors can simply drop the pallet and slide over your now covered trap.
I'd offer more but I am not that great of a trapper tbh.
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I used to play this game exclusively, almost everyday, for almost 2 years. I was very heavily a Killer player, and I csn tell you, there is a certain point wherr you are winning 70-80% of your games, which WILL happen if you learn the game well enough. But that tension, once its gone, makes the game very unexciting to play, and it gets to a point where all you have left is the in the moment aggravation of chasing a survivor who knows every tile and thinks they'll beat you becasue "killers suck" and the slight joy you get from putting them in their place.
Pipping becomes irrelevant, but the negative feeling of losing pips os always kind of their, and then the feeling of the risk outweiguing the reward can't be shaken by a 20 win streak, so you just lose interest. Then you move on to a more competitive minded game, maybe go back to fighting games, and forget all about DBD until you get a random ban from PSN and think to yourself "is it even worth going through the hassle of reactivating?"
This game has some great highs and lows, but it burns you out sooner or later, then you just kind of stop returning, maybe play a game a weak and find it purposless or needlessly stressful..
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Trapper? Watch TheEntityLeftHand on twitch. You will learn a lot, like small plant traps ect. One note: don't try to mindgame as much as he does, its for wievers fun. Sometimes the best mindgame is lack of it. Don't brake unsafe pallets, break safe ones (leaving one and trapping it can work wonders from time to time).
Enduring is very good, however keep in mind that you will break pallets in every game (brutal strenght), but you wont get stunned every time (enduring). Depends on what works best for you. Also, even without enduring don't fear pallets, survivors will exploit this. First chase with every separate survivor should end up you disrespecting a first pallet. You will get stun, but the message is clear "i will challenge every single one" and results in survivors throwing next pallets almost instantly in most cases. Generally you need to be unpredictible: if you always challenge pallets, from time to time don't, if you always try to mindgame, from time to time don't, if you trap only looping spots, place 1 random trap (doesn't need to be in bush when using tar bottle).
One final note: Every killer, but trapper especially, needs to know pallets and windows spots. Whenever you play survivor, use windows of opportunity if you have it.
Edit: If you get burned out, try role playing, or finding custom objective. For example in TheEntityLeftHand's streams most trials centre arround devour hope totem and punishing those who break it or obsessions above normal survivors.
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Okay, first of all, you said you’ve been playing for three week. So, I stopped right there. Talk about broken survivors when you have 2000 hours
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You need to play for more than three weeks. I’d say average work day is 8-9 hours of work. School is ~8 hours. So you have sixteen hours to play a day (not including sleep). So, over three weeks, I’d guess you have ~15 hours of play time.
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@MystiKasT Just ignore @RotBb. Obviously, playing a game and only playing a game when you're not working, in school, or sleeping is their preferred life schedule.
Some of us have actual responsibilities, families, kids, and so forth.
So, that's an example of an opinion you give the attention it's due: discard it and move on.
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Ignore RotBb's post.
Your assessment is pretty accurate for the most part and you've pretty much nailed the important issues.
Bloodlust IS trash.
Flashlight's aren't as bad as they used to be, they just require some more situational awareness on your part.
Survivors DO control the pace of the game.
The only issue I have with survivor addons is that they can keep theirs at the end of the match.
Coordinated teams swf or not DO crush killers if they want to win. If they're memeing then they might lose.
Totem placement isn't as random as we'd like, but their spawn points ARE garbage.
Looping IS dumb.
Some maps ARE killer dependent.
The killer experience IS stressful and frustrating.
If anyone says you haven't played long enough to have a valid opinion ignore them.
If YOU'RE not having fun then the issues are real enough to bring up.
The more people who do this the better.
Good post. I hope you can find enjoyment again.
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Well, I play baseball on top of school, so I get home at 7:30 and go to bed at 10:30, I have to eat dinner on top of that, so I’m looking at two hours on a good day. Sunday’s and Saturday’s are the only days I can really play dbd, so the fact that I have still gotten this far shows a lot of commitment to this game, so don’t @ me with that bullshit
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Never mind. Arguing with someone still in school isn't worth my time.
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this guy gets it if you have less hours on this game it means that you need to learn more perks, how to mindgame etc. ppl cannot learn that quick thats why you need more hours to understand how you play great survivors now how to juke cuz they look behind and the same time they look were they are going as for the killer it needs to mindgame that survivor so that they make a mistake
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Killers 4k all the time at all ranks. They can't balance a game off just a handful of people skill. Everyone talks about "fun". Ok let's talk about "fun". Like you said running in a circle around a loop chasing someone that you dont seem to gain any ground on even tho your faster... that's fun. Another view, having a infinite ew3 Myers that the whole team fed early in the match, yes that's loads of fun too.
Downing a survivor across a pallet only for them to be instaheal on the other side while you breaking, fun. Being slugged because the killer is thirsting for the 4k so bad you have to just lay around while you bleed out, fun.
Having a killer camp you and tunnel you all match because you ran them around for just a few minutes, because apparently running from the killer is toxic now. So they have to hit you on hook and shake head.
Basically my dude there is two sides to this game and ######### situations on both sides. The survivors are not supposed to just let them catch you just like playing killer shouldn't be a braindead easy thing to do. If killer was buffed to 4k every match why would survivors want to play. Then you would be playing just to solely be another individual entertainment while they hand your ass to you. And the moral of the story is, people 4k at all ranks.
GIT GUD
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Ugh, if you don't like it, don't like playing Killer, then don't. Problem solved, learn how to counter the big issues rather than complain, life doesn't work like that, no one will come to fix things because they get hard.
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Ahh bruh nonsense. The devs love Killers. I mean take a look at the Freddy re...wait nvm. Take a look at Legi..nope that doesn't sound right.
I mean they gave some aid to combat SWF like you mentioned. DANG IT, that ain't it either. But hey the devs introduced MoM and rebuffed DS, so god bless @not_Queen and the devs right!
In all seriousness, they don't seem to care. Just like when Mathieu Cote said - Try Survivor, or play Civilization. Yes, perfect solution.
Screw fixing totum spawns
Screw Freddy and the rework
Forget Legion (For both sides)
SWF aid for killers will NEVER happen.
Simply put, they don't really care.
So here do what I do. Be a survivor and join the cause!
Free ez escapes for everyone! However, if I don't get my ez escape, I will just DC and call the killer bad names at the end right :D
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@FranWilliams Any idea when these buffs are coming and/or what they might entail?
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If I have 1 piece of advice for you that will help you in every game you will ever play: Search for the fun parts in a game and dont focus on the unfun parts. If you think playing killer is stressful its because you are trying too hard to win. Just choose Huntress and learn to aim with your hatchets. Try to play a few games as Leatherface patrolling your basement and standing in a corner of the basement with insidious after you down and hook someone in it. Try out trapper for a few games establishing a parameter around 3 Gens and try to defend those to the best of your ability. Go for a full slug build (noed, dh, make your choice and deerstalker). There are lots of things you can do in this game that are fun to some and not so fun for others but it doesnt have to revolve around winning or loosing.
Now to actually respond to your concerns: Yes survivors will not fear you ... Borrowed Time Survivors will unhook right in front of your face immidiatly after you hooked someone, Balanced Landing Survivors will infinitly loop you in certain spots if you play a M1 killer. Mettle of Man is just straight up ######### no point talking about that one. But the most evil survivors will use Object of Obsession in a swf team essentially giving the whole team wallhacks if you dont go for the 1 survivor with the perk or taunt you until you finally relent and tunnel him only so the remaining 3 can block the hook after you finally downed him. Yes swf is the most broken and frustrating thing in my opinion especially at high ranks and it will NOT be fixed so the only thing I can recommend is dodging or playing with mad grit.
Bloodlust is a crutch and not something you should play around since its unreliable. (resets if you loose the chase which happens if loose sight or if the distance gets too big, resets on pallet stuns and breaks, resets on ability usage)
If you really want to go all in on Bloodlust chase a survivor towards a corner of the map where you know there are no safe pallets left.
Flashlights are utterly and completly useless ... I dont even bother looking at walls anymore since you will not drop the survivor after pickup if you immidiatly look up. Yes you will loose vision for a second but that hardly matters and gives survivors a false sense of security since they will not drop certain pallets expecting a flashlight safe (Killer shack pallet for example). Survivors will also try to blind you while you are breaking pallets which also does nothing since you can easily predict where they plan on going and it doesnt actually stun you just makes you loose vision.
Swf control the game, lone survivors barely do anything at all after you sacrificed or killed the first one. Yes maybe people will whine at you in chat for tunneling or camping and im not saying you have to tunnel or camp. What im trying to say is that you are guaranteed to loose the game if 4 man are alive when all gens are done no matter if your facing swf or not.
Survivor Items are really good on their own. Killer Addons have more potential with the right perks. Thats probably the reason why you think that survivor addons are better. You just dont have the right perks to complete your build on x killer yet. ALSO Killers get to use Moris which instantly wins you the game 90% of the time.
Coordinated Perk teams goes back to swf beeing beyond broken so yea thats just a thing every killer has to live with, thankfully 4 man swf teams dont happen all that often.
Totem spawns are random ... Ive had a few games where I beelined my ruin just to see it break right as I get to it. Ive also had a few games where survivors couldnt find the ruin until the game was over or where I managed to get 3 hooks because the 1 or 2 survivors that knew where my totem was went back on my ruin the second they got unhooked giving me easy kills. Turns out RNG in competetive games sucks.
Looping is heavily reliant on RNG aswell ... sometimes you get looped 3 times until you realise that you will never catch up, sometimes you chase the survivor as he walks into a dead end. Dont commit too hard unless you want to be disappointed. Its much easier hitting a survivor that doesnt see you coming or hitting someone that tried to hide. I also recommend leaving the jungle gyms alone and just falling back to a corner of the map where youve already broke a few pallets.
RNG in maps aswell. Sometimes you get "The Game " for an easy 4k and sometimes you get absolutly destroyed. Happens to everyone.
Survivors often get as many or more more points than you do . . . what? 2 things wrong with that sentence:
- Its simply not true ... unless your let all the survivors escape and eat every pallet they throw at you.
- Why is that even a valid concern ... I couldnt care less how many points the survivors actually make. I think bbq makes killers objectively superior for BP farming and if the 1 escaping survivor actually has more points than me, props to that guy.
Sorry for the slightly delayed wall of text but I felt like this was the perfect time for one of my BIG BRAIN moments ^^ Add me @76561198085427416 (steam ID)
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these are issues we all feel, hopefully one day someone will care lol
side note: how did this one get banned, they spoke the truth about killer
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Think of how fun Legion used to be, they were a true bully to survivors.
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Now it is time for me to put my 2 cents in.. I spent a lifetime reading most of the novels... so here is my summary.
The OP has been banned from the forums. We can all stop making novels in this thread.
GGS all. Have a good day.
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i play both but i think survivor needs nerfing to equal out to killer, ez survivor mode most can do in their sleep can;t compare to the skill it takes to do the opposite role
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- You hold the power. If you aren't holding the power, that just means you are up against a team that is better than you. Sure, a 4-man SWF probably will control the game regardless, but how many times exactly have you gone up against a 4-man SWF? You've only been playing for 3 weeks when you wrote this post, there is no way you expect me to believe that all your matches are 4-man SWF.
- All killers can catch survivors. You just need to be better than them. You are just fighting people who are better at the game than you.
- Flashlights are not a problem. They are pretty weak these days.
- No survivor can control what you do. You are in control of what you do. They can't force you to do anything. All decisions you make that lost you the game -- those are all your bad decisions.
In the end, you're a baby 2 month-old killer (as of this writing) and you think you already got the game figured out. But the truth is you need 10 times that before you even begin to understand how to really play this game. You are going up against players with hundreds or thousands of hours. They will be better than you just by sheer experience.
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE!
I was about to start a new thread about this topic but you said my mind.
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Most of people commenting here probrably are survivor mains or literally people that just don't want to admit that this game it's survivor sided, i have much more time in survivor than killers since i stopped play killer to protect my sanity and game account and survivors are broken as ######### whenthey play with SWF and most of the time that's the case don't need to be a 4SWF 2 SWF with another 2SWF it's powerfull in the same way that an 4SWF, i have 1.100h, almost 500h on killer and 600h on survivor when i loose matchs it's by a good killer with thousand of thousand of hours, people don't realize that the game it's unbalanced when to be a good killer you have to have 2.000h to win people that are casual players and the sad part it's BHVR don't give a ######### for killers they are planning to nerf noed they already did it in a small whey with the new survivor perk, they literraly ruin every killer advantage and never fix any survivors problems(remeber i'm a survivor main and i asking for balanced ins't fun to play a game that we don't have a chalange) so my sugestion it's give up on killer completely on just play on low ranks because in low ranks matchs are more fun, there's no SWF and people there don't only play with Adrenaline, Borrowed Time, Decisive Strike and Dead Hard/Sprint Burst, they try diferent things and you as a killer can try new builds either but when you go beyond rank 10 the games starts to become boring, because of the SWF and people that in every match use the same build, i try a lot of builds playing survivor and even without exaustion perks i can do well so again there's no necessity to use meta perks to do great even being a casual player unless your faceing a pro killer like OTZ but you can cleary watch otz and notice that even him struggle again casual survivors because how unbalanced the game it's, yesterday i was making some killers tests, i literraly took 15s to find a claudette on an bush and down her(billy) and 1 gen was already done and by the took to hook and crossing the map another gen were done but by luck they three gen themselves and i got 4k but killers should not have to expected luck to win just skill.
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