Can we like stop giving this much ######### to the devs?
Like holy ######### they've posted a single feking update and the only thing I see is god damn cry babies complaining 24/7. Like holy ######### you haven't even had a chance to test these coming changes and the only thing you can do is cry.
Everyone is litterly acting as if the devs have shot their feking dogs or drowned their damn gold fish. Nobody really gives a ######### how personally attacked you feel about a single change that you didn't even get to play with.
And on top of that they're acting as if the devs pulled the same ######### they did back then with Freddy, everyone is saying the devs only changed Legion because survivors cried about him. 1st of all I as an avid Killer main can say that's BS because I and many of my Killer pals hate current Legion and we are actually kind hyped to test the new changes.
Can we like save the complaints till we actually get to play the new Legion and get to experience it ourselves how he's played? Give the Devs some slack! They aren't worse human beings just because they've tried to tell the community what they're up to.
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Hey, not only will I not give the devs any ######### about this, but I also won't give Behavior any future money for DLCs. That decision has already been made, so I guess it's a win-win.
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I mean if you wanna do that then it's your choice you can unlock almost all characters through play time, so do what you wanna do I don't think it'S that mature tho to act like this over a single change that only has been on paper for us so far
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CUSTOMER DISPLEASED
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Personally I’ve gotten my money’s worth and then some with this game, both as survivor and killer. Wish folks understood changes and fixes aren’t instantaneous.
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True nor are they final, the Devs can always do changes before the release
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Negative feedback is important, the silent majority tend to just stop playing if something is wrong. Give praise and criticism where its do and all will be groovy.
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I think it's not only because of the legion planned change, but MoM release as well, it makes alot of killer's blood boil and now they just lash out, it's a big overreaction but an understandable one.
But for now let's wait for the ptb to see if the changes are that bad.
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@Yamaoka Yes, I am. But my displeasure is due to a lot of things in this game as it stands right now. I've honestly played beta games in better states. The Legion stuff is just a footnote, but the final footnote I'm willing to apply to this game and still invest money into it.
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There's a thing called patch notes, some of the things are self explanatory without having to test it, and combined with other nerfs all together is overkill
- The Deep Wound timer progress is no longer reduced by regular Feral Frenzy attacks.
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Constructive criticism is understandable and good but giving the Devs ######### for things addressed quite a while ago and actually giving them ######### for the DS changes is not understandable in my eyes and is just people being butt hurt
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I think this is actually a good change because it discourages Legions "tunnel-ish" playstyle of just stabbing down a single survivor which is unfun for both sides and it incourages his intended playstyle of running around and stabbing different survivors and injuring them quickly and because of his increased MS it's actually possible to catch up to a survivor and M1 them properly. Maybe you should also inform yourself more because not_queen stated that Add-ons will give this ability back to Legion. Yes his ability uses utility mid-chase but for that he's most likely quicker and more reliable at doing his job
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I can understand that people might overreact a bit after the changes have been made public but I don't really think it's that deserved to still give them ######### for it and for some reason completely unrelated ######### because I've seen people complain about the DS changes while complaining about these patchnotes at the same time. I think people kind of need to over think their opinion on these changes because they might just put him in a better spot
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Anyone with half a brain knows those nerfs to the Legion are unnecessary bs the devs implemented because in their vision of balance any buff has to come with a downside...
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Excuse me honey, but I don't payed for the nerfed killer to the ground. Like the @tt_ivi_99 a lot of nerfs are unnecessary. The best thing about this is that our opinion doesn't matter for them.
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Well anyone with a full brain would actually think about these changes and they would consider the chance of them not actually harming him that much because if you think about it, he will gain a more fun and quicker way of downing survivors while still having a somewhat time waster ability and the ability of being able to get an easy first hit, but they will actually have a downside like any proper killer needs to have but people without a proper function brain will instantly call the devs horrible human beings and will act before considering all options
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The problem is the following. Devs have been screwing up lately. And I am not saying they deserve being shat on, but all the outrage you are seeing is cumulative frustration.
It all started with Legion's PTB. People were expecting a different kind of Killer, and it came with issues. Issues the community warned the Developers about and they got ignored. Bandaid fixes were applied. The engine update also came with several technical issues.
Moving on, we got the insignificant mid-chapter patch. Really few changes, leaving bigger issues left unresolved.
Then Plague... Both a good and a bad patch. Good, because they finally addressed DS. Bad, because all agreed Plague was mid-tier at best during PTB, and upon release she got shat on with a nerf literally no one asked for. All requests to make her actually decent were ignored.
Then came Ash. Mettle of Man, not a particularly OP perk by itself, but a second chance perk with no counter and outstanding synergy with broken mechanics and already meta perks. Still no word about it, other than "We are looking at feedback but we wont rush it".
And now, the Legion rework everyone was interested on. It was a really big disappointment. Even the proposed endgame changes and Freddy rework are looking grim because they even thought this Legion rework was acceptable to come onto the PTB.
So, the issues we have: Months of enduring infinite loading screens and random DCs, a new weak Killer which is played less than Clown, a stance from Developers in which more second chance perks for Survivors are ok, an idea to completely ruin a decent character (doesnt matter if its powerful or not), and other stuff. Add on to this the players' experiences with the PTB testing and lack of genrush and low tier Killers solutions.
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You are actually acting as if the Devs never listen at all. If they weren't listening they wouldn't have considered changing Legion nor would they have considered changing the end-game and Freddy like I've told @tt_ivi_99 there will be alot of good coming with the change
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Negative feedback is the reason for these Legion changes.
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The Legion change might not really be that bad tho the PTB is a test envoirement afterall so the Devs are kind of supposed to bring controversial changes to the PTB. None of these changes are Final but I actually kind of like the way they're going at it encouraging the intended playstyle while also allowing him to play like a somewhat normal Killer. I can understand the commulative frustration tho MoM is kind of a weird one I don't like it but I don't hate it, the plague is actually in kind of a better spot than on PTB because of the increased MS during charge up but to balance it out they nerfed her MS while holding her gooey-fun-beam
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Good coming with the change? There is not even an one buff that will be useful for them. Again we are gonna test another boring killer. That's not how the updates for the characters should looks like.
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Increased Ms, Reworked add-ons, more time in the Frenzy. These things combined encourage a better playstyle than the current Legion encourages, by actually allowing him to play how he's intended to be played. but because of his increased base MS he will actually be quicker at downing a survivor after Frenzy and he isn't required to use it in the begining of the match. Maybe actually read the patch notes completely and thinking about all possibilities before you ######### talk the Devs before you even got a chance to try these changes out
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Devs done good with these new changes. Real good.
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I know how the expierience looks like with M1 killer. Thank you.
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I wouldn't say real good nor good because we didn't get a chance to test them but they definetly did not ######### over Legion completly
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Then you would also know that Legion is now able to take things like sloppy butcher or nurses calling because nobody wants to stay injured against a 115% Ms killer and that coupled with his insane ability to injure survivors will make him probably better than expected so again consider all options insead of just whining about how bad everything is
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Do you forget that no healing is a meta now? Just stop.
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Have you ever seen a survivor not healing against a 115% Ms killer? Because I sure haven't at least not a single one that survives so and if you have then maybe reconsider your Perk choice or your playstyle
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Yes. I've seen. Multiple times, no matter which killer in high ranks.
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@BottledWater I'm curious if the spirit would be nerfed that way, than you would be a calm like now?
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Well yes because it's an undeserved change? You can't compare a fairly well balanced Killer to a killer like Legion. A killer without any counterplay at all these nerfs add counterplay. And if you play high-ranks as plague and you see survivors not heal then how tf are you not catching them? They are litterly injured making your job easier and shortening the chase by a fuckload
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Yes, a lot of nerfs without better improving their power to at least slow the game down.
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@BottledWater Because they hear something like that called terror radius? Once they hear it, they're like 50 meters away from you.
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You're still a 115% Ms killer and you can still try to either cut them off or you could just zone them into your direction I've never had a survivor team just not heal against me and still win
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Everyone can win against a bad survivors. You literally forget what is SWF and how fustrated you can be during the matches with them.
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Like I said, Devs seem to think that the right way to balance a character is by buffing something about that character and then nerf him in some way, when that's not the right way to go.
You know why Billy and Nurse are top tier? Because just like survivors, they can ######### up as many times as they want. If you ######### up just 1 swing when using Feral Frenzy be ready for a stunn, you'll probably lose the survivor if they jump a window/pallet because you cant see scratch marks or blood, and you'll also have to wait for your power to be ready at max to use it, and what do you get if you land the hit? A freaking "timer" (if It can be called that) that doesnt go down, and cant be modifided by the killer or anything like that... What a freaking joke...
It wouldnt be that bad if he didnt have such a big Tr, but he'll have a 32mr that will be giving away his possition and nobody will ever heal against this guy. If he had a small Tr his power could be useful with all this nerfs because he would be able to sneak up on people and 1 shot them if they didnt heal, but I guess Devs just want killers to play the same characters all the time...
Tell me a reason why should I stop playing Billy to play Legion? Meanwhile I'll go play a killer match and I'll be 1 shooting people from across the map while you think about that...
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@tt_ivi_99 You've more stamina than I have anymore, that's for sure. Me? I think I'm just going to be heading back to Overwatch and 1-shotting people from across the map as Widowmaker. Even with that game's flaws, it's a hell of a lot less frustrating than playing this mess that makes some beta games look finished.
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@Kilmeran @tt_ivi_99 100% agree with you guys.
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Ikr it gets soo old hearing all the complaints about this update that is not even out yet. I can't wait for the changes hype!!!!!!!
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I hate how everyone is being so toxic towards them over one change. :( I love these devs and love their game! <3 :3
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Bashing the developers doesn't do any good to be honest.
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Criticism/negative feedback can be very useful for the devs, but only if it stays respectful. Bashing doesn't help anyone.
The current discussion about Legion is justified, but it should be more fact-oriented. At least, this time there is a PTB, contrary to MoM.
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Discussions are wonderful. Discussions can lead to some great brainstorming and balancing and solution finding.
Unfortunately there are too many who are quick to jump to the “Congrats you’ve ruined your game” and “I’m done” posts.
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I bet you are not gonna even test them during the PTB.
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@NoShinyPony console players tested MoM in kyf.
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people are giving them ######### because the update for legion could go really good or really bad for the ptb. Atm, discussions are all that we got to talk about for the legion since we cant test them yet
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They give us ######### so we give them ######### back, that's how this cruel world works.
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Not to mention that "update" feels so much uncreative. Devs literally showed us a middle finger. LITERALLY.
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@TreemanXD I know, but the MoM KYF leak wasn't officially recognized by the devs. A PTB is something different.
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@NoShinyPony but we gave feedback on it still. Are pc players the only ones allowed to give feedback?
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Nah, they've had MONTHS to think of what to do with Legion. Hundreds of threads, both here and on Reddit suggesting a lot of decent ideas, and we get this half-assed "just remove their power entirely and make them an M1 killer!" dumped out on us.
A lot of the time I like to support devs where they tried and haven't succeeded entirely, but this is just lazy.
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