Billy boy has a problem
I've always thought that "how powerful something is should be porportional to how hard it is to use" was a good principle for videogames to follow.
So that's my problem with Billy. He's too strong, even with a low skill floor. He's basically the second best killer, and he's more powerful than Hag, Huntress and Spirit, three killers whose skill floors are way, way bigger.
So what's my suggestion to fix this? 110% speed.
This would not affect people who are good with Billy and that can control his chainsaw to get cheeky downs during chases because they know exactly how the chainsaw handles. However, it would fix babies that pick Billy and have an easy time because of how low his skill floor currently is, because of how easy he is to pick up and play. At 110%, they can't mindlessly M1 during chases, and have to dedicate time and effort into mastering the chainsaw, just like Spirits need to master the phasing and Huntresses need to master the hatchets.
A top tier killer should have a high skill ceiling, but a higher than average skill floor too. They should require mastery and patience to even do somewhat well with, so they can truly reward those who master them.
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Maybe Hillbilly is very mobile with his chainsaw but he can easily get looped. I find it one of the easier killers to run around. He is not as amazing or strong as people say. I rarely see good Hillbilly's who have put a lot of time into this killer, and even they sometimes have a hard time getting a 4k.
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Ever heard of Billy mains that do not use the Chainsaw to down, but rather as a tool of high mobility? Not all non-Chainsaw downers are "babies", but rather prefer a different playstyle.
I see no reason to nerf Billy at this point.
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Billy is probably the most balanced killer atm, he can easily get looped and 110% movement speed would hurt him REALLY bad, I don't know what you are thinking...
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Well, with his mobility, breaking chase is really easy and really not that bad. He just chainsaws around until he finds a survivor in a bad spot, which he can then insta down and start snowballing from there.
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There's a solution to that: not getting caught in open field and using your eyes.
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@op No, you git gud instead.
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That's exactly not the point I was trying to make. The Billy mains that truly learned the character are those that don't M1 during a chase, instead using the chainsaw to get cheeky downs because they know how it works.
Billies that only use it for mobility are the problem here, because using his chainsaw for only mobility is really good and requires little skill, compared to being good enough to use it in a chase.
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But these situations happen much more on lower ranks. In the red and probably purple ranks too you'll rarely see this happen as people know not to hide in awkward corners when going against a Billy, and in the low ranks every killer could be strong really depending on how much the survivors know.
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That's precisely what you should be required to do if you want to use a top tier killer.
I have no more problems dealing with a Billy than a Hag or Spirit, I just wish that the game forced you to "git gud" to use Billy effectively.
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I personally don't see those as a problem. He's loopable af, tuning him to 110 would only make this more severe.
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If he truly is the 2nd best killer, then there's 2 options.
He can either deal with pallets somewhat more effectively than other killers, or pallets really aren't that powerful.
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Truly outplayed :pensive:
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Survivors mains: "Hey guys! We was whining about the Legion and they're finally got nerfed hahahahahaha Let's do the same about other killers so we can loop them, because this is so skilled"
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Well, according to other forum members, he's already looped anyways, so what's the difference?
Also, what the hell does this have to do with the legion lmao
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You guys are already powerful as the team. If this is hard for you to dodge a chainsaw than this is your problem. Billy already have a several counters.
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And I've already said he gives me no more problems than other top tier killers. This change isn't because he's "too strong", it's because he should require the same amount of skill to even be used as other top tier killers.
Do you think it's ok that he's more powerful than the Hag, Spirit and Huntress while requiring a lot less skill to be used in a viable way?
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Billy requires a skill. It's not that easy to hit survivor with chainsaw. Try out yourself and get him to the rank 1.
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Stop making it look as if every survivor main is like that. Many of us do agree with the buffs for killers, only small minded people don't.
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Oh really? Because what I only see on the forum is about the killers nerfs :)
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That's literally the point I was making. Chainsawing takes way more skill than simply M1ing. The problem with Billy are those that simply use the Chainsaw for mobility because they're not good enough to use it in a chase.
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Heh, Legion mains, what can you do hehe
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I do agree that quite some survivors make whiny posts but so do killers. Both parties do. And if you only look at survivors doing that then you're not having a fair perspective on it. And, the fact that there's a lot of negativity (from survivor side) doesn't mean that there is no positivity. Be a bit more open minded.
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By that same logic we should nerf all exhaustion perks, MoM, DS, Adrenaline, Insta-heals, etc.
Also, get good.
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more baby survivor whining
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While it is true that Billy is easy compared to the other Top Tier Killers (Nurse, Spirit), he is fine. A viable Killer does not need to be challenging to learn, it sucks to get chainsawed, but there are ways to avoid this like not getting caught in the open by a Billy or not trying to vault a Window when he is running his Chainsaw.
I would guess that he would be not trash and still okish with 110% Movement Speed, but there is no reason to nerf him tbh.
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Every killer is strong when they are being dominate in the trial and every killer is weak when survivors actually know how to play the game really well. The only exception is the Nurse. She strong even if the survivors are good, but she's also mechanically a pain to learn and master.
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Hes the only top tier killer on PS4/Xbox, hard pass. Billy is fine.
If hes m1'ing people that means he can be looped.
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If Hillbilly was released nowadays, he'd be 110, still have steering, needs to stand still while revving, would apply deep wounds instead of double damage and had fatigue after sprint, hitting or canceling his ability. Hre'd also be restricted by a fuel system and duration limit. Also no more than 150% sprint speed. Hed also be a vcegan crossfitter.
Just kidding, after leatherface's awesome performance they wouldnt make another chainsaw killer.
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@Gummi_da_great_fella I read a few of your post...
So you are mad that high rank billies aren't using their chainsaw to kill the survivors.
For me.. I play in the low ranks, so imo, if you play in a match and you start to steamroll the survivors with the chainsaw.. I switch to M1'ing.. for more points and to make the chases more fun and not just.. I found and downed you.
I play M1 to make the match longer and to have more fun. I'm not playing for rank but to give survivors more fun and myself.. in chases.
Not everyone is playing to rank up and outplay every player they go against... Billy can make it too easy depending on the group. I don't think he should be nerf'ed though, cause I've seen some higher rank billies play and they get looped to no end with good survivors most of the time.
The speed decrease would make it sucky.. I would rather go for more skill to pull off a chainsaw attack. I find it crappy playing any slow moving killer myself.. I would rather less overall killer power for more mobility.
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Ok, so go tell them the same.
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Billy still gets looped at most tiles. Sure you can mindgame some tiles but most you just can't. Just like huntress can throw hatchets over some tiles, billy can mindgame some tiles. The reason billy is better and more reliable is because he is 115 and has a chance at those tiles you can't mindgame.
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He get's looped pretty hard.
Personally I think he is 3rd since The Spirit got released, she is nutty.
Also I like to use my chainsaw mostly for traveling, unless the survivor is in an open field or dropping pallets early/quickly or being predictable, I don't use the chainsaw to down a whole lot. Good survivors know more or less how to avoid the chainsaw effectively. And while it is an insta-down, there is a risk reward factor to it.
The only other reasons I like to M1 is because it tilts the hell out of survivors, which is pretty funny. And it gives more points.
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I agreed, until you said he's better than Hag and Spirit.
Hag can spread pain when the survivors are across the map from each other quicker than any other killer in the game, not even Nurse can. She is way better than Billy in chase. She can dominate with Thanatophobia, she can control 1/2 of the map without addons 3/4 with her green range addon alone. She is ridiculously mobile with her traps, joint with Billy. Her map pressure is off the chart and she's everywhere. With STBFL, she's unstoppable. She can control 5 gens at once. That's massive considering Doctor is limited to 3 or maybe 4. She's unpredictable. If you're good enough with Hag, you can even take on SWF, as I do, and still win (Yes, I'm actually that good with Hag that even SWF lose). She's unloopable and amazing at mindgames. She can snowball WAYYY better than any other killer, even better than Billy. I don't need to expand on that, it's common knowledge how good she is at snowballing. She can injure 3 survivors and down 1 in the space of 20 seconds, and with STBFL, maybe even 14 seconds. She can pressure survivors into healing and gets a major advantage if they do. She can sometimes bring the game to a crawl, if they are pressured into healing.
TL;DR, she's way better than Billy and 3rd spot.
And Spirit is OBVIOUSLY better than Billy. And better than Hag. She's ridiculously good in a chase, better than even Nurse at chasing. But comes 2nd due to her lack of map pressure.
Huntress, is weaker though.
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No. Stop with this stupid nonsense. He would drop down below myers with that nerf. Billy is balanced. The most balanced killer atm. Period. Take ot cry.
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Btw, Billy is ridiculously ez to loop. I can tell you that with confidence. He's effortless and needs no nerfs.
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110% movement speed is reserved for killer who can use their power to directly combat pallet looping. The Hillbilly can't, so giving him lower base speed would probably kill him.
If anything, I think his chainsaw hitbox should be made narrower, to bring it more in line with the animation and to add more counterplay to close-range chainsaws beside praying.
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Hitboxes are a completely different story. Especially Chainsaws and Hatchets...
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Players learned how to control Billys sprint...that should be penalized? As if plyaers who are good at Nurse should be penalized? Can't agree with you here. Billy is powerful, but not as easy as you claim.
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There's a third: he's good to catch Survivors in-between loops.
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I’m just annoyed how common billy killers are. 90% of the time they run the same boring cookie cutter perk builds too with BBQ, Enduring, Spirit Fury & Ruin.
Easily the least exciting killer to face.
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That's the result of one simple fact: All the other killers are too weak for the current game state. Good survivors can finish all 5 gens in about 4 minutes. All survivors have 3 chances to survive (unless the killer camps someone to death). That's 12 hooks in total.
How is a normal killer supposed to win against 4 "strong survivors" if he doesn't play Hillbilly who can save so much time by zooming across the map and instadowning survivors?
If all killers were to be buffed to the point that they'd be at least 80% as strong as Billy you'd see all the other killers at rank 1 evenly.
But right now it's just plain smart to play Billy. I would rather play Leatherface but he's ######### compared to Billy. Too bad survivors don't want to face any other killer.
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Which is a shame, really. I also find it annoying how “discount Leatherface” is miles better than the actual Leatherface but that’s my personal bias.
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110% speed isn't killing The Spirit, so...???
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Lol no. Billy would go from a top tier Killer to a low tier Killer if his speed was dropped to 110%. Why? Because he’s already a very loopable Killer. His chainsaw can be rendered useless near objects, forcing him to become an M1 Killer.
Also, there is no way that Billy is better than Spirit. I can see him being better than Hag, but definitely not Spirit. With Spirit, everything can easily become a mind game, constantly forcing you to outsmart her. Billy’s saw is an instadown and gives him insane map pressure, but is easy to dodge and objects can render it useless. He turns into an M1 Killer at a lot of loops.
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@Eninya Yeah because spirit can use her ability to stop looping. No loop is safe for a survivor when you have the ability to go invisible. Spirit is probably the 2nd best killer, maybe even better than nurse if you take into account consistency. Spirit can do well on any map unlike Nurse who suffers on certain maps like lery's.
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this.
billy is only strong in open areas that allow him to travel the map fast or to apply an insta down on survivors.
he is getting screwed over in loops easily.
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if you open a discussion about nerfing billy
you will get rekt from the whole community ^^ there are rules
and one rule is: no one touches billy
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Or a simple solution its reduce the hitbox with chainsaw and mini debuff while charging the chainsaw
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His only problem is how boring he is to play.
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