Make abusing the killer shack window bug a reportable/ bannable offense.
Ya'll banned a bunch of legion players for using double mending add-ons as an exploit. Well, it is only fair you do the same for people abusing the fact that the killer shack window cannot be entity blocked. It doesn't matter if you have bamboozle, or if they jump it 30 times. It will make the noise, smoke will cover it like usual, but the survivors can still vault it.
I had a guy knowingly abuse this in a game against me recently. Repeatedly. I've seen it happen again and again on peoples streams as well. (happened earlier on vincent vega's stream ie) And it seems rather un fair that there's no mention of this being a bannable exploit.
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There's been an issue with windows for a while now. I really hope they fix it. :/
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I mean, people got banned for using Legion addons, so, you know, clearly they should be banned for this lmfao
Because, if we're going by the devs logic, they gotta be banned because they made use of a normal game mechanic that the devs were too ######### incompetent to notice/fix.
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All the legion mains moon walking into this thread
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They only got a temporary ban. Although I agree something should be done.
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@SmokePotion if im right that only hapens if you loose chase so dont loose chase lol
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incorrect. come back when you have half the hours played at rank 1 I do.
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It's probably a lot easier to track people using add ons than it is to track people vaulting a window that's blocked but not registering as blocked. They probably only have reports to go on for it.
I'm not saying they shouldn't get a short ban, but it must be a difficult thing to do and the effort is probably better spent just fixing the exploit.
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Folks , Does it only wokr if you break a chase?
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@slayer No. They vault while in the chase. It never breaks.
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Welcome to DBD, where anything that negatively affects survivors is immediately dealt with, and killer issues are eventually dealt with, after years... See: Decisive Strike. Hatch Standoff. Pallet Vacuum. Insta-blind flashlights. Mid-chase exhaustion recovery.
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It isn't just with killer shack window. It's all entity blockers just stop working randomly.
I remember game I player like a week or two ago. I chased a survivor around the loop. She vaulted same window 3 times and I have seen window blocker appear... and she vaulted through it AGAIN anyway.
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@Sairek I feel you. I've mentioned it multiple times, too, and tried to boost threads bringing awareness to it. I'm sure it'd be an easy, quick fix. Not sure why they haven't yet.
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Some of those listed were more complex issues that required some time for them to deal with and adjust.
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@Jonathanskilz Hello, just so you're aware there's a bug where survivors can vault through blocked windows. That's what we're talking about.
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The Game can track exactly which window is vaulted how many times and by which Survivor.
The Game can also track if that Window has the Entity-blocker applied from the Killer's POV or not.
Ergo, the Game can track if a Survivor vaults a Window that should be blocked.
The data to track abusers of this bug is there, and the devs could use that to enact bans.
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i haven't noticed this before so i am going to look aout for it maybe i just missed it
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And even if that was too time-consuming, the devs could still declare this as a bannable offense and accept video proof as an alternative.
There is one possible reason why the devs might be silent about this bug: They don't want the knowledge to spread. A lot of people don't know that this bug exists.
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@NoShinyPony Nope, there's no way they don't know. Information spreads quickly in video game communities.
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is this on pc or ps4 or both?
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@Orion Believe me, a lot of people don't know about this one yet, even those who occasionally watch streams.
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@NoShinyPony So you say, but the same BS was said about the insta-flashlight bug.
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@Orion I'm speaking from my own experience, when I talk to other people. Not every player is well-informed and up-to-date when it comes to DbD.
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@NoShinyPony Many players said the same thing about the Legion exploit, but one user in particular said the thing I told you, that information travels quickly and therefore there's no way they don't know. This logic, however, doesn't seem to apply when survivors are the ones exploiting.
Welcome to playing killer, where everything you do is wrong, and the survivors are little angels.
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PC, but since the builds should be mostly identical, it should also happen on console.
EDIT: Who the ######### down votes this?
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You missed a simple thing: legion bug negatively affected survivors, this one affects killers so dont even bother asking
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@Orion I'm just talking about how many players might know about this bug. I was simply speculating why the devs are still silent about this bug.
Killers and survivors receiving different treatment is an issue, I'm not denying that.
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@NoShinyPony Trust me, they know.
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I'm on the forums a lot and I did not know about this bug, but then I'm usually downed before I can get three loops out of the shack window.
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@Orion Oh they know. but to make sure I did @Peanits and @not_Queen
It's a little strange that this is during their active times but no view from them.
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@DocOctober people are clicking it for no apparent reason, that is why I don’t take vote downs seriously.
@NoShinyPony I’ve known that windows block off since I started. People are abusing this intentionally.
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@Peanits and @not_Queen Please react.
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A few things to point out about the ignorance defense.
The games I'm complaining about take place in single digit ranks, with people taking the most efficient routs that they plan. I watched the guy do it on purpose the first time i chased him to the shack. I recognized what was happening, and dropped the chase. Flushed my gens, and ended up in a chase with him again. This was a SWF team, i should mention. So it was called that i broke chase, and they scattered off gens till he could pick up the chase again with me.
And then he went back to the killer shack. i knew his pathing, so i forced him to tripple jump the window, just to make sure it closed and to tell myself "surely that window will close this time."
Nope, and he knew it. He jumped it a fourth time, and i d/ced. It's a swf with the designated distraction abusing a near infinate loop. why play that?
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if I could provide a video of an example of this i would but idk if you can
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Gotta' agree here. There are multiple windows on multiple maps that have this exploit, and once they're found, you're in for a bad day as killer (or fun infinite loop as survivor). This has been known about for ages and it's never been addressed, despite various posts and threads bringing it to light. Folks know by now, they look for it, and they take advantage of it. Devs need to fix it and start banning for it in the meantime. Simple as that.
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Just want to update everyone that they have seen the thread.
Now to cross my finger,s and hold my breath. Not cause i'm waiting for change,s but because this was my last hit of weed.
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Can anyone give me a link of video? Idk what bug the OP says
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The Survivors do not get any alert when it's blocked. Instead of banning, just FIX the bug.
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@Cake1100 Killers don't get any alert about mend times either, but they were still threatened with a ban if they used a certain add-on combo with the Legion.
People know how many vaults they're supposed to get before the Entity blocks windows. Ban the exploiters, no more kid gloves when dealing with these people.
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I don't think they should ban for it as it can be too hard to tell if its intentional.
I also posted that they shouldn't ban for the mend exploit for exactly the same reason.
I am not a fan of banning for bugs the devs create which can be done by the player accidentally.
The issue of course is banning for one and not the other which isn't fair in anyway you look at it, they have set a dangerous precedent.
They should be making it a top priority fix and some info of the problem and whats happening right now regarding what is being done would be nice.
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@TreemanXD @SmokePotion Guys, I'm not denying at all that players know this bug and abuse it. All I said is that there are also players who don't know that this bug exists.
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@NoShinyPony And we're saying that the precedent set with the Legion's exploit makes that distinction irrelevant.
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@Orion And that is totally fine. I'm not against making the abuse of this bug a bannable offense. I'm not defending the devs for not making this a bannable offense. I'm all for treating survs and killers the same.
I was only speculating why the devs haven't made this a bannable offense yet. Nothing more.
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@DocOctober It's possible someone accidentally clicked the "vote down." That's where "vote up" used to be and usually positive comes before negative.
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not even a dev post in this thread shows how much they care
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This is not about killer vs survivor. We banned survivors for abusing map layouts before (ie: crawling in the corner in Lery's hospital to bug the killer out) and the 2 killer exploit was literally banning survivors for abusing that bug and spawning in as a killer.
The window blocker bugs have been reported and are logged in our system. We are testing a fix at the moment for them, if it works, it should be fixed in upcoming patches. I am not able to confirm the fix at this moment.
Anything that is announced as an exploit means that we are able to flag people who are exploiting from our backend data. Sadly in this case, we do not have the data available to be able to do that, this is why it has not been announced.
That doesn't mean we aren't doing anything, first, we are working on a fix and second, we are banning for exploits. An exploit is still an exploit even if we are not able to look for it in our database.
You can report an instance with video proof to support.deadbydaylight.com and report in-game. Our team will investigate all cases.
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Has this actually been an issue!? I do this whenever I’m getting in killer shack and it always blocks up that window for me after a few uses (as it should be)
I didn’t know know this was an issue it never happened to me before?
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@not_Queen First of all, thank you for replying. It's always appreciated to get a "full" reply from a developer regarding an issue such as this.
I must admit I'm skeptical about your claim that you don't have the necessary data to ascertain who is or isn't abusing the bug. Maybe not automatically due to a lack of infrastructure, but I'm fairly certain you have access to vault events and other stuff that occurred during trials. IIRC, such data was even compiled during an event.
That said, I will be recommending that people record their killer trials to find people who are exploiting this. Do you prefer clips containing just the abuse, or the full rounds?
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I'm curious, what does this look like on the survivors side? IIRC I've played as killer and window got blocked for the survivor who was streaming and I watched back the stream and it seemed like they weren't in chase with me even though I were with them on my end so they got an extra vault on the window.
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