Coming from a killer main, who just started playing survivor recently
I can ######### understand why survivors are so god damn salty all the time... Playing survivor is nothing but ######### aggravating...
Let me quickly list a few things that make me actually want to die
Ruin every game, when teammates can't work through Ruin... They just run away from the generator in fear
Nurse
Devour Hope's steamroll of exposed into instantly 2 hooks and mori everyone
Moris in general
Killers who suck then used NOED and camp
Plague's corrupt purge being literally just "Huntress but with 115% speed and no aim requirement"
BBQ and Chili either getting you 100% spotted guaranteed, or forcing you to get off a generator and go hop in a locker, instead of doing a generator
Teammates who can't ######### do a generator when you're CLEARLY distracting the killer
And, finally, teammates in general... This game's ranking system is actually garbage, and needs to reward generators and winning chases more, because it's way too easy to do nothing then rank up
Now I'm just going to go back to playing killer... I actually want to ######### die from playing survivor... It, is, not, fun...
Comments
-
Lol, from a "killer main"
29 -
So plague is op now?
Can someone insert the "killer main" meme please?
23 -
When I want to sit back, relax and just let win happen, I /Wraith
Former Survivor main turned Killer for my health and well being.
6 -
You just lost all credibility when you complained about Ruin, "killer main."
8 -
It's every single game... EVERY SINGLE GAME, and no teammates can work through it
They're all ######### and just run away from the generator like it's the ######### killer
8 -
But, you know, be a jackass.
That's always fun when you say that someone's opinion is invalid because you think that a certain perk doesn't literally result in all survivors who aren't rank 1 running scared from generators
10 -
Yes, someone who mainly plays killer... That's what that means...
Don't think you understand this, but, someone who mainly plays one particular thing, is a ____ main
9 -
Most of the stuff you mention is survivor issues caused by survivors.
Taking it slower, hiding better might help against noed and devour hope too. Killera cant chase, attack and down survivors they cant find.
7 -
Can't hide and do gens if literally all my ######### teammates get hooked every 0.1 seconds and I have to hide from BBQ or get found by it
11 -
@@tt_ivi_99 Come on, it was about getting other survivors that refuse to work through it no matter what. That stuff IS obnoxious as hell.
8 -
People are too quick to dismiss someone with ad-hominems. Maybe not a killer like you, but someone having a different perspective than you doesn't mean they're not a killer main. That's severely short sighted. Now to what OP said.
Ruin makes the game easier for killer when it actually works (which in games with randoms, it generally does). It's like DH for killer, though less to do with skill and more to do with luck. If your teammates don't work through ruin, either you need to do it or you need to find the totem. Being a killer main, I'm guessing you've used Ruin or totems and have a general idea of where they may spawn.
Nurse has her counters (stealth, walls), though she is really really strong and can be unfun to face.
Devour Hope can make matches super tense and it's a totem you can cleanse. The killer needs to hook multiple survivor/s before the perk becomes strong, too.
Moris suck. No points for everyone.
If there's NOED, either find the totem or leave. If the killer is hanging out by the survivor, don't feed them points or kills, please. It justifies this sort of behavior.
The corrupt plague is temporary and you can use walls to block it. If you go up and crouch next to a pallet, she won't get you most of the time. She needs to recharge to use it next, so use that chance to run. You can also deny all this by not cleansing. Huntress can also hit across the map. Plague can't.
A good counter to BBQ and Chill is knowing where's safe and where isn't. Know your loops and don't be afraid to run the killer if they do come over to you. You can certainly hide in a locker, but you don't need to every time. There's other counters, too, like faking a direction, getting close, etc.
Teammates generally suck, especially while solo. If it gives you any solace, most of the time the teammates doing nothing aren't pipping, either.
10 -
I run solo survivor. Ran into all the issues you mentioned. Learning how to counter BBQ, just powering thru ruin, and understanding your teammates are usually idiots and just there to be meat shields for your escape, you will be fine.
6 -
So what if he complains about teammates? He is complaining about NOED, BBQ, Plague, Devour Hope and even Nurse!!! If he just started playing survivor he should be rank 20-15, how the ######### are you facing good enough Nurses to come here and complain about her? He hasnt faced good enough Nurses to complain about her and even if he does complain about her he should know why she's like that.
4 -
@tt_ivi_99 Survivors aren't the only ones who depip and ranking has been crap recently. I've had games where everyone but me were yellow ranks (I'm green atm) while running solo and have had killers be both red and brown. Not everyone experiences things the same as you and immediately implying someone isn't as they say just because they say stuff you personally don't agree with doesn't help your case.
5 -
Lets analyse this then. Is Ruin OP or anything? No, it just buys you time. If its in every game, what does that entail? Basically, in the current state of the game, I cant complain about Ruin's presence. I too find it oftenly, not annoying, because I can land great skillchecks or run Stake Out, and I dont mind if someone else cant and prefers to look for the totem, because either way the perk is doing its job.
The fact that you are complaining about Devour Hope, I dont know what to say. A hex perk that only takes power midgame, with potentially awful totem spawn points, promoting a "funner playstyle for Survivors", hindering you as Killer if it gets found before even the 3-token reward, arguably the most balanced and healthiest perk in the game (rewarding you for doing good) and if it even triggers being extremely likely for it to only net one down or two before being cleansed.
Now, BBQ. You are complaining because you just cant keep working on a generator without worry? People always complain "holding M1 is boring!", so adding spice to this interaction is bad, in your opinion? And, if you are being spotted, so what? The game isnt just chases or just stealth, its both. Sometimes its also good to be found by BBQ if, for instance, you havent been hooked and everyone else is on death hook. Not to even mention how BBQ is the biggest incentive to the most common complain from Survivors.
As for, NOED, if it triggers, then that means that you ignored a secondary objective and are being punished for it. If the Killer sucks, then you should have more than enough time to take care of totems. If the Killer puts enough pressure that you cant do totems, then they dont suck and did their job correctly.
Moris being powerful? Maybe they are. But, so what? They are offerings. They can only be used during a single match. There are other perks that hurt more than that and they can be used on every single trial.
Finally, Plague. For her to have Corrupt Purge, a Survivor must have been infected and then cleansed, having found you during its relatively small duration and avoided pallet drops. What is Plague's power in a nutshell? A decision based on Survivors. Making the wrong decision rewards the Killer, such as cleansing when its not needed.
3 -
I started out playing survivor more than killer and when I started playing killer it was plain as day how strong survivor are. Killer can definitely roll dumb survivors but a good swf will just destroy you. I feel a lot of people think survivors take little or no skill but it's just different and tricky to pull off well and yes your team can make you lose.
5 -
Welcome to rank 20 gameplay.
Once you reach red ranks, your teammates will power through ruin without breaking a sweat or they'll cleanse it in the first minute.
10 -
If you are annoyed that much by your teammates, put your focus on ranking up so that you can get matched with better randoms. Or play SWF.
If you "just started playing survivor" you are probably playing at rank 20-15. It is normal that your random teammates are inexperienced and have problems with Ruin etc.
Also, I'm surprised that you encounter Ruin every match at these ranks, and BBQ, NOED, Nurse.
5 -
I've personally seen it a lot, too. It can be really discouraging when you're a new survivor to run into a full loadout like it. My first match of survivor when I bought the game for PS4 was a nurse with Ruin & BBQ/Chili that had everyone on my team on hooks in like two minutes. I hadn't even gotten the chance to touch a generator. It was even a CONSOLE nurse, so you know they deranked just to whip new survivor ass.
Anyway, @ThatGuyFromThatPlace has a lot of valid points in his post. People that are automatically running in and saying, 'you're wrong!' need to stop shitting on every opinion that dissents from their own, especially because between the ranks of 20 - 10, Ruin & NOED actually ARE a serious issue that ruin the gameplay experience.
I've been a red rank killer & a purple rank survivor, so I can see the argument that past the starter ranks, they're a joke--but for most of the DBD playerbase, they're ridiculously unfun to play against, especially as a solo survivor. Teammates at 20 - 10 don't know how to hit hex skill checks, they don't know how to play against BBQ & Chili, and they're ALREADY struggling to get all of the generators done in most matches, so there's really not enough time to go through the map and break totems to avoid NOED--which is something that most killers in those ranks have.
Camping is also a serious issue in those ranks, which also ruins the gameplay experience on top of all of those other things & makes it so survivors can't even learn how to play better against those other things because almost every match has a camping killer that prevents one or two members from the team from doing anything all match & prevents the remaining survivors from doing anything but gen rushing. It sucks. Killers who camp the hook suck. Like honestly, really, suck at the game and are never going to improve because they load up a match & spend 95% of it standing in place doing nothing.
6 -
Ruin every game -> But easy to find because of "improving" totem spawn and can destroy for 1~2 minute. If your teammate can't find hex at all and ignore totem search you're in bad luck for having terrible teams. Blame them
Devour Hope -> Read top
Plague's corrupt purge being literally just Huntress -> Unless you didn't cleanse fountain and FOCUS on gen rush and learn how to loop
NOED and BBQ and Chili -> And you still have MoM, Adrenaline and Borrow Time
Teammates who can't [BAD WORD] do a generator -> Again, blame your teammate
Now I'm just going to go back to playing killer -> Sure, i bet you're also suck at playing killer in that case Mr."KiLLeR mAin"
12 -
These memes get better everyday.
3 -
Love the image.😂
"FeLlOW kIlLer MaiN"
4 -
People are so hypocritical and completely lack empathy.
Just because someone is COMPLAINING about something, does not mean they think it is broken or OP or needs to be removed from the game. Ruin is annoying. That's a fact. Especially when you come across it 20 games in a row. And it's not the easiest thing to work through (although on my good days, I can without much problem). That doesn't mean I think it should be removed.
Devour Hope is annoying when you have a trash team that gets steam rolled and activates when you still have 4-5 gens left to do.
A really good Nurse, is unbeatable with no add ons.
All the things he complained about are annoying to deal with, but he/she is not saying they're OP or game breaking.
In the same light, there's people on this very same thread whining about freaking Borrowed Time which was literally put in the game as a balance to campy killers. So it's not okay for someone to be annoyed by killer perks, offerings, and other things, but it's okay to be annoyed and complain about survivor perks (borrowed time is not OP and if you think it is, maybe just stop camping and get better at the game?)
12 -
Thanks for understanding. I'm a survivor main but I do play killer every now and then.
Killer is like a cakewalk compared to survivors. The time pressure is a little pressuring, but if you don't get kills it's at least not frustration. I'm not too attached to "winning" so I don't mind not getting 4Ks. But you generally still get yo enjoy the game regardless.
As survivors sometimes you can't even play and are spending most of your time on the hook then getting farmed by opportunistic teammates and camping killers. If it happens once or twice it's not so bad but sometimes I get tunnel.camp.farmed five times in a row (or more - my record of bad luck is I think 11 games) and at that point DCing is so tempting.
I'm sure Killers at high ranks against organized 4-Man SWF is also frustrating, but it's nothing compared to the Baptism of Fire newb survivors go through, and how even veteran survivors at low ranks struggle. And many high ranks, skilled killers de-rank on purpose to avoid high level survivor play, so yah it's rough.
4 -
What is this rubbish that I just read.
.Ruin mostly lasts 30 secounds at best or even less and good survivors will work through it
.Devour hope has the same problem with Totem spawns
.Nurses biggest weakness is stealth and it's the same with Plagues corrupt purge, just hide, it's not hard
.BBQ has got nothing but nerfs to the point where it now has seven counters
.Get to red ranks and see if your opinions change
Post edited by Hag.is.Dtier on5 -
I played for along time solo and this days theres alot of noob survivors that they playstyle are like rank 20 the solution its putting kindred as basekit and solo players will improve
1 -
dont forget the part when you run the killer for 3-4 gens and then they let you die on your first hook
4 -
HAHA, IT HAPPENED!
A complaint about Devour Hope!
*laughs eardrum-fracturingly loud in Devour Hope-main*
6 -
Tbh, you lost credibility when you complained about Plague.
7 -
“I’m an x main and I just started playing y and y is so easy/hard!”
Pardon my French but no fecal matter Sherlock. When you start rank 20 killer you’re going to have a fun time. When you start rank 20 survivor you’re gonna have a hard time simply by virtue that your teammates actually don’t know what to do.
When you hit rank 15, then things reverse.
6 -
You can't stop the idiot teammates from cleansing in fountains, unless you are in swf..
Borrowed Time: Dont tunnel, Easy, right?
Well your other points are right
2 -
Just get better and stop complaining about nothing baby survivor!
2 -
Not in my games. I rarely run ruin. Dies to quickly. Wasted perk.
2 -
1
-
I play survivor as well as killer at rank 1 regularly and as survivor I have zero problems with almost ANY of these things. This is a learn to play issue, not a survivor issue.
3 -
"Killer is like a cakewalk compared to survivors. The time pressure is a little pressuring, but if you don't get kills it's at least not frustration"
If you actually played killer at rank 1 you'd know ridiculously wrong this statement is.
"it's nothing compared to the Baptism of Fire noob survivors go through, and how even veteran survivors at low ranks struggle"
This is inaccurate and not a fair comparison. Even if your team is complete idiots and literally does absolutely nothing you can still quite easily pip if you are good. You may die, but you WILL pip and that gets you to higher ranks where your team gets better. If the survivor still isn't pipping then they aren't as good as they think they are. Veteran survivors can struggle to CARRY the whole game and win at low ranks, but they will absolutely pip and move out of those terrible ranks.
The reason these aren't fair comparison is because for survivors the difficulty is your team being dumb and being new to the game. This is something that can be fixed as they get better at the game and is a reflection of their own skill.
For killers you are losing because the game isn't balanced for rank 1. You could play perfectly and unless they play poorly you still lose. That is the difference. One is based on your skill and something you can fix, while the other is out of your control. Losing a game that you would play no differently if you could do it all over IS frustrating, especially when you throw a bunch of tbags, flashlight flicks and trash talkers in to top it all off.
4 -
-Ruin is not OP, but that doesn't mean it's not annoying, I personally don't care much because I just work through it, but when your entire team waste so much time looking for it, it sucks.
-A good Nurse is unbeatable. That is a fact. Everybody knows this.
-Devour Hope is pretty uncommon, so I don't know why that's on the list. Just watch out for the totems next time.
-Moris overall are unfun and toxic.
-Killers who camp and use NOED are very common, and yes, it is frusturating as all hell. But, if they're camping/tunneling when the gates are opened, I can understand that.
-Plague isn't OP, however, that statement is pretty true. You can just spray as her and you'll most likely hit someone.
-BBQ and Chili is counterable. If it's annoying for you to hop in a locker, you can hide behind a gen or run for a few seconds and then change directions.
-Yup, happens a lot. I don't care that Ruin is in the game. If I'm in a chase, do a fuqing generator, please.
Not once did this guy say that something is OP, so idk why are you people attacking him this much.
5 -
Rofl this is so true. Some matches I literally can't work on gens because I constantly need to unhook survivors who go down every 20 seconds and I have to stop everything to hop into a locker.
Probably 90% of killers run BBQ and Ruin. Half use NOED, Sloppy and/or Nurse's.
Most matches I cleanse 3-4 dull totems and hope my teammates got the other 1-2 but they usually don't.
You make a lot of good points but of course you get downvoted to hell because you don't follow the "playing survivor is a cake walk and killer is a nightmare" narrative. Both roles have their ups and downs.
8 -
'Try at red ranks' is true, at purple and red ranks, killer is difficult and stressful--but at all ranks prior to about rank 10, killer is EZ mode and a halfway decent killer can end a lot of matches with 4ks with minimal sweat.
2 -
lol with the new DS changes, and Mettle of Man, it's ridiculous how some survivors still think that playing Killer is easier.
- You don't have to stop doing a gen and hide in order to avoid BBQ, stand behind the gen 4head.
- You're complaining about teammates and blaming killers for it.
- Plague lol, ha ha haaaaaa!
It's disgusting how you think killers are easier.
6 -
If you just started playing survivor then you would be at rank 20. You will generally not have good teammates at that rank. They are new and will act as such.
0 -
Disagree, Lately I'm experiencing much of what he's saying at rank 8. PS4. 9/10 killers I'm versing are sweaty and boosted and my teammates, most of them, literally rush the hook and just take turns getting hooked. Until I get off my 2nd or 3rd gen, and try to distract the killer and take a turn on the hook before there's dead survivors, b/c once that happens, my chances of getting unhooked drop drastically. Sometimes the killer will chase me a while before hooking me, sometimes, like the last nurse I faced, after two failed chases after me and I pallet saved a downed survivor, nurse just looked at me and went back after the others. EGC happened, because of the killer's massive speed compared to survivors, I didn't find the hatch first, no surprise, then it was only a matter of time until nurse found me trying to get a door open.
Out of 25 games, I'm finding maybe 2-3 other survivors who understand what they're doing. that's 2-3 total in 25 games, not per game.
I've been one pip away from rank 1 BTW, I just don't get to play very often. That's why I'm hovering around rank 6-10.
PS. About ruin, I have noticed also that probably 8/10 matches I'm playing lately, has ruin. I'm not terribly worried about ruin, I hit great more often with ruin than without. But my teammates just run around the map. - or blow up my gen. lol.
3 -
Have you ever just went one way for bbq then went to another to confused the killer
0 -
Though i don't agree with everything you say, i totally agree, as someone who plays both roles. Far too many killers don't see it from the survivors point of view, and their complaining is often misinformed. Honestly i don't believe people who don't play both roles should be entitled to an opinion
6 -
If you just started playing Survivor there is no way you are going against killers with ruin and ebony moris every game. I'm calling fake post.
If you just said your teammates sucked that would be believable.
2 -
Actually the plagues movement speed during corrupt purge is only 110% movement speed and she is so easy to loop and/or stealth. During the ptb however it was actually 120% movement speed, but you know the devs. If something needs a slight nerf they tend to overcompensate... By alot.
0 -
Survivor is boring and sometimes annoying, but not that annoying, I suggest giving it another try.
0 -
Yes, BBQ, NOED,... are counterable. But for killers MoM is counterable too, hit again
1 -
The irony here is that the killers berating you for complaining about whatever will IMMEDIATELY turn around and complain about survivors. Loops, BT, MoM (which admittedly needs a tweak but isn't as bad as people make it out to be), saying that only Nurse/Billy/Spirit are viable at rank 1, DS, Adren. God forbid both sides have stupid things they can do in the game.
Specifically regarding Ruin, while on an individual basis you can easily overcome it, you have no control over other survivors. You can do gens, but if everyone else doesn't because Ruin then it's going to suck. Same thing for NOED, if the other survivors rush gens you can't exactly do all the totems before they pop the last gen. Then you end up getting punished for the mistakes of others.
4 -
As a former survivor main (surprise!) who ended up playing both sides, playing survivor is a day at the beach compared to playing killer. If you run a stealth build and are even decent at juking the killer, you are pretty much guaranteed at least the hatch. As a killer, you can play perfectly and still be at the mercy of RNG, bugs, and survivors' mistakes to actually succeed.
2
