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Should dbd be a little worried about Predator Hunting Grounds release on PS4 in 2020?
Could this be the 'something new' everyone or at least a few people have been waiting for?
I want to discuss how dbd can compete if something better or more fun does release and draws players away.
We desperately need a way to retain current players. Something always able to unlock, rewards for dedication and more gameplay variety to give current players a choice if they aren't feeling playing the one mode.
This isn't a post to scare you, it's merely to prepare and get ready because if dbd cannot improve in retaining its players, games like this upcoming one will draw some away. There needs to be an incentive and a meaningful system in place to welcome back or reward dedicated players.
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The Preadator game will be a FPS and is only releasing on the PS4. DbD is not a FPS and is available for PS4, Xbox One, PC, and soon Nintendo Switch. DbD will be fine. By 2020 I'm sure the game will see even more improvements from its current state.
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Here we go again, tHiS GaMe iS GOiNg tO KiLl dBd!?!
Give it a rest please... There's nothing to fear. Friday didn't killer DBD, Last Year: The Nightmare didn't kill DBD, I HIGHLY doubt this will kill DBD.
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Predator HG seems like a big budget deathgarden with the capacity to deliver more The asymmetric nature of Predator HG will surely attract a lot of dbd players.
This could be dbd biggest rival in the future, Dbd has until 2020 to get this game right in terms of variety and player retention. They can do it but only if they recognise this may become a problem if not addressed.
Predator HG could be a decent game, it could eventually come to all platforms. It would give the asymmetric genre more traction which would benefit dbd, but dbd players will stop playing dbd and play Predator HG instead if nothing changes.
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DbD, at least for me, has the befit of a theme and aesthetic that I enjoy, character designs that will keep me coming back, and a lot of versatility for playstyles, depending on how willing you are to stray from the stagnant meta. Plus if I'm being honest, I don't expect the studio that made F13 to usurp the game that put it into the dirt.
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Have you been living under a rock?
They all flopped apart from Friday which got into hot water over the rights of Jason.
Predator HG is the next threat to the playerbase. We must press the issue so something can be done.
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I don't have the figures but I've seen factual proof that dbd fails at keeping it's players. It does well attracting new players but there's always too many players just getting fed up with the one game mode and problems which plague the game.
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F13th flopped before the lawsuit. It had a weaker launch than DbD and kept losing players every day.
Anyway, as someone else mentioned, they're different games. The release of Rise of Industry also wasn't a threat to DbD because the games are different.
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If Sony is funding the game it's never coming to another platform. Do you expect Insomniac's Spider-Man game to come to Steam or Xbox any time soon? Sony does not play nice like Microsoft does with their paid for 'exclusive' third party games. You'll never have a Cuphead on Switch moment with Sony.
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Also Dead by Daylight does pretty good with keeping a solid playerbase. It fluctuates here and there but it's hardly dying. It also has the benefit of being a game with multiple franchises represented as well as it's own super diverse cast of characters. Something Predator seems to lack.
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Even if that's so, Illfonic may have learned from their mistakes and are having another shot with years of planning to go up against dbd.
I have a PS4 and if Predator HG is at least ok I will try it out, as will many other current dvd players I believe.
I'm simply saying, this could be a wake up call to address the playerbases concern with variety.
We need new game modes, customisable kyf matches, anything else which pleases the playerbase. Because dbd needs to keep a close eye on Predator HG.
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Illfonic made Friday the 13th which would have been a good game if they could have been allowed to do the necessary additions and fixes, but when the license holder for the Ft13 franchise suddenly decided to renege on the established deal they couldn't really do much to the game. My hope is that what they learned on Ft13 the game will help them out with Predator.
It won't kill dbd, but it will be another game coming out after dbd that has the potential offer an experience that dbd doesn't.
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Those of you saying I'm saying that "dbd is going to die" Can you stop putting words in my mouth? I never said that.
You're ignoring what work needs to be done in order for dbd to hold it's ground if Predator HG isn't a floppy mess.
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Even in the event it does well, I don't think it's going to impact DbDs numbers any more than any other new game has. Especially considering it's PS4 exclusive and unlikely, if not outright impossible, to come to any other platform.
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Hell just take a look at Street Fighter V, a multiplayer game of an iconic franchise developed by a major AAA publisher. It had a poor launch as a Sony console exclusive 3 years ago. Even though it would be a huge benefit for Capcom for the game to launch on Xbox One (a platform of 40 million consoles) that hasn't happened. Why? Because Sony helped fund the game.
If Capcom of all developers can't even get out of a Sony contract I doubt an indie studio like Illfonic could.
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Well i immediately see 2 downsides to it. (At least, they're downsides to me personally.)
- It's completely based on 1 license. There's no room for originality besides within the license's own lore, and there's not gonna be any other licenses involved.
- It's a shooter. I'm soooo incredibly bored of those. My favorite one is Left 4 Dead 2 with mods, but i haven't played that in months.
I hope the absolute best for them, but i'm not a fan.
I'm actually scared for them it'll be another F13, or worse, DeadGarden.
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To add on to your point, even a game that does well is unlikely to leave Sony's cold deathgrip. Bloodborne, The Last of Us and Horizon Zero Dawn are all solid examples of that.
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No one is ignoring the litany of issues with dbd or saying they shouldn't fix them. Just saying that Predator won't mean very much in terms of players siphoned away when it comes out.
People who play dbd often try all the other asymetrical 1v4 games and end up coming back to dbd. Usually because even the high rate of turnover in the playerbase and gameplay issues this game still has the bigger player base. People aren't going to be that worried about it till A)We see actual gameplay and B)See if they offer more than just a single Predator.
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I actually thought deathgarden was a good game but it didn't get any traction so no one knew it even existed.
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Anything Sony exclusive leds to a bottle neck of a community for a game.
I see that game being good on PS4 but over time the player base will die cause Sony never plays nice
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Not to mention, DbD is a game people take a break from and come back to a lot. That's why you see numbers dwindle a bit before jumping again. In the grand scheme of things I don't see PHG impacting anything much at all
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If you think a game is great, then hey: Good for you! Not even being sarcastic.
But the fact remains it really went from DeathGarden to DeadGarden.
If it had some singleplayer aspect, at least you could still play it then... (Or, y'know, get friends to play with you.)
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If Predator HG is decent and it does stay on ps4. That isn't bad news. Sure you will lose some dbd players to Predator HG but you would attract more and if you are more able to retain new players then that is a success.
Retention is vital and Predator HG may be an opportunity to attract new players.
Also no-one knows what dlc/base game content will be in Predator HG. They could have the terminator, Alien, originally made stuff and others. They will develop too if they start right.
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To be fair those 3 games were published by Sony, and their IP is the property of Sony. Sony doesn't have to release these games on another platform. But they could, like Xbox does, and they could also release Sony-funded third party games too.
They won't, as Sony wants people to buy a PS to play their exclusive games. Unlike Microsoft who has profits coming from Windows 10, Xbox, Microsoft Office, Game Pass, Azure servers, and soon XCloud. Sony is solely financially dependent on PlayStation.
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Illfonic did a terrible job with F13 well before the lawsuit.
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Whatever you think, I think the Devs will keep their eyes peeled on how Predator HG pans out.
Could even steal a few of their ideas to improve dbd. Dbd needs a new game mode at the bare minimum before 2020. I believe they are probably working on it now. It's just makes the games health so much better having that extra chunk of something to do.
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It's always good to learn. :)
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The franchised content they could possibly add is heavily limited though, and would likely only happen if they already had a huge success during the early months of the game. In terms of original content, yes they can do that. But because of preexisting lore of the series, they'd either be limited on what they create, or they'd compromise lore and theme, and risk upsetting fans who play for the actual franchise. That's not to say they CAN'T, only that they have far less creative freedom than Dead by Daylight has.
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They aren't going to add Terminator in a game called Predator: Hunting Grounds. It's like expecting Micheal Myers to show up in the Friday the 13th Game. It's not happening.
Disney owns Fox and the Predator license now. They are very picky when it comes to how their IP is portrayed. If this game is meant to be an authentic Predator experience adding other IP will destroy that and Disney won't like that.
Disney wouldn't even let EA add extra costumes for heroes in Battlefront II for god's sake! Or let Capcom use X-men mutants in MvC: Infinite. I wouldn't get your hopes up for anything too crazy in this game.
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My point is
Have you ever played F13?
If you have, Why wasn't you playing dbd?
Dbd lost an active player when you were playing F13.
Same case when Predator HG comes out too.
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If you stop playing DbD entirely to play F13 then it lost an active player. If you decided to give F13 a shot, or go back and forth between the two, DbD did NOT lose an active player. It's no different than saying that DbD lost players to Red Dead 2 or Fallout76. People can play multiple games regularly.
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You know what the easy solution for this is
obtain the Predator license for dbd *cough cough* Did anyone hear anything? No hmm nevermind then.
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I wouldn't bank on that one lmao
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Sure I could see DbD on the PS4 loosing a few players when this game comes out. Just like when any other game releases. But unless Predator is the same game play wise as DbD and does it better DbD has little to worry about it.
Another serious gritty FPS restricted to one IP is not going to threaten a crazy crossover horror game that appeals to casuals and is not a FPS.
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nah its on console.. no need to worry.
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Dbd could create it's own Predator killer rip off with more customisation shortly after the initial Predator HG hype settles to resnatch players back.
Idea- if there are multiple license owners for Predator, get a different one to the Predator HG license then we have Predator in dbd.
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It's good to discuss this topic. We will see what news we hear about Predator HG and we can discuss further when more is revealed.
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There's only one license holder. In terms of a predator ripoff, I'd rather see DbD create something more original since those tend to be their strongest design concepts. The development team is super creative on that front but when they try to emulate preexisting killers they end up being lackluster at best.
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A Predator would work easier than an Xenomporph for DbDs gameplay. Give them two powers: a cloaking-tracking ability and a lazer wrist blaster. He'd be a cross between Wraith and Huntress. Though I'd still prefer an Xenomorph because the Aliens franchise does delve into horror whereas the Predator films have always been cheesy (and mediocre outside of the first one) action films.
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If we have a Predator like killer in dbd and it's better or different from the Predator in Predator HG then there is a massive slap in the face to Predator HG. Predator Predator.
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Where were you when I was posting a thread saying how amazing an Alien chapter would be? 😄
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Well the MvC infinite issue is an altogether different story. The game came out before the X-men license returned to Marvel and Disney's ownership. It was in a legal holding pattern during and after the game's development. So they couldn't put them in and then the game itself lost support from both Capcom and Marvel. So putting them in after the license issues were settled just became a non starter. If they were to make another game now they could very likely sort out X-men characters being in said game.
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Why make a killer with the intent of slapping the inspiration in the face?
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They did make hillbilly and that turned into getting Leatherface. So we have some tiny precedent.
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I think an Aliens Chapter is a matter of when not if. It's a major horror franchise and would be hype. I know the devs have said no animal killers but they also said such things like no Clowns, no Switch port, and no dedicated servers. The devs can change their mind.
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The thing about any new game is it will always attract players and take them away from other games, keeping them around is the problem most of them have but once they sell enough most devs don't care as it's onto another game.
DBD has managed to keep player really well all things considering and that is due to constant dlc releases and changes, they actively engage with the community and while we may not always like how they handle things at times we keep playing.
Illfonic isn't a great dev when it comes to FPS shooters, check out dead alliance on steam, I wouldn't put much faith in the game with those devs, even though I absolutely love predator and have all the games released on PC, with no PC release for this I would never buy it as I hate playing FPS games on consoles.
The predator game is more like evolve than DBD with how it plays out, it's also very limited with licences maybe they could add the xenomorph but who know.
I am not worried in the slightest as they are two totally different games on paper even if they are both 4v1 the similarities end there.
Each new game which has been assymetrical people have posted about how it could impact DBD, so far none have managed to even come close to taking people away for prolonged periods, they tend to come back as it's a special game, the dbd devs made a game people love to hate but can't stop playing as it draws you in.
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That's true, and Trapper is meant to reflect Jason. But neither of them is really that interesting in comparison to characters like Huntress, Plague or Wraith. They were staples in the horror franchise so I can understand them being created though. Predator isn't quite the same.
In terms of Xenomorphs, while I don't think it'd necessarily fit dbds theme(as I stated in another thread by OP), it IS scary and more within the horror genre and would make for a much more interesting character (I'd come up with an idea for it as a killer back when I first started playing. Still don't think it really belongs in DbD but I do like Xenomorphs)
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Tbf, Wraith is pretty much a Predator rip off.
I think all 3 original Killers were based off of an existing one actually.
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A few people are very against that idea. I think they're lieing to themselves honestly. Would be the perfect chapter offering so much to dbd. The people against that say things like "doesn't fit Xenomorph too strong" and "How does it follow the entitys orders" I've explained all the answers in another thread. Also a Xenomorph model is humanoid as in it has arms legs torso and head, meaning it wouldn't be too hard to animate (Devs word).
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Maybe our Predator rip off could be a more advanced wraith with a cloaking power. Blast attack and infrared tracking ability.
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"A more advanced Wraith"
It'll sound biased from a Wraith main, but i prefer to avoid another Hillbilly/Cannibal fiasco.
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