#Everyone but billy gang!
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I personally just go to recent discussions.
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I am a Freddy main, I am the strongest of you all comrades
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@Hoodedfengm1n yes, in delaying the game. But in terms of snowball, Hag sits on the throne! And in terms of in general who's strongest it's Spirit and Nurse!
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@Hoodedfengm1n incorrect, Hag is far better since she can down a team in like 20 seconds. Freddy has to chase tho.
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@Hoodedfengm1n it does work, because he's short. But the same can be said for Hag.
I'm not arguing it, Hag is better than Freddy at snowballing whether you agree or not, it doesn't matter.
He's better at mindgames, delaying the game and tracking (to an extent).
She can just destroy a team with her traps. It's obvious that she's better at snowballing.
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You all forgot about the true best killer in the game, PIG. She can trap people and ambush them..... that's about it. :P
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Come on guys! Ever tried to snowball as Nea? She is the best at it imo.
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@TreemanXD And tricking them into thinking you are one of them so you can sandbag
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@pootis_Bear yes! Works every time! XD
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Snowballing?? Come on that has to go to a Mikey... *looks at comments above on sandbag Nea* Actually no, I withdraw my statement, there's nothing more deadly in a short time than a sandbagging Nea. Well played.
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nea is an op killer with no terror radius and is the only killer able to use bond to find her victims
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So true
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@Poweas Your defence of hag is so cute in this thread 💖, you're literally like NO ONE TALKS SMACK ABOUT MY GIRL. I was joking, I can see hag's potential for a snowball but that's based on if people are injured (or you have H:DH etc) and trigger traps right (you did mention without chase above)? (not thinking shackles or mint here, those do increase the chance) Myers can tier 3 and bait or surprise, regardless of health states. Hag has the distance covered snowball advantage, Myers has the close range/exposed snowball advantage. I think they're both pretty good at snowballing but in slightly different ways.
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@Kiskashi yeah I agree. Hag doesn't need them to be injured though, if you're good enough, your traps will get them off guard anyway. I meant with chasing one. Usually works against flashlighters since they'll run into your web. Or teams that unhook and crouch since they move so slow while crouched, you can get there since they farm and snowball them. She gets a LOT of opportunities in comparison. With a well set out web, you will kill them all. Same for Myers. The Queen and King of snowballing.
Also, I'm just protective of Spirit and Hag in general. Spirit is 2nd, Hag is 3rd. If someone disagrees I try to sway them into my way, with a proper argument obviously.It's just that Hag is so obviously the 3rd best killer. It's obvious :P
But thanks, I agree my defence is 'cute.'
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Name a more Iconic duo. I'll wait.
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@Poweas I definitely get it, hag is one of my most played killers. Probably right now for me it’s Myers, Freddy and Hag so I get what you mean but both require a lot of survivor mistakes and planning based on the area by the killer. Still snowballing is a potential thing for both. Like I said she definitely wins in the distance covered snowball, nowhere is safe if they’re running. Myers relies more on survivors making a huge mistake and being relatively close (or infectious fright/distressing/M&A)
No wonder you’re in the not billy gang, guess he’s not a favourite for you if hag and spirit tier above him. To be fair I appreciate a good hag over a billy though, hags are all about planning and teleportation mind games. Makes me wish I had some rusty shackles though, definitely my favourite add on. Have you tried the butchers hand body block hag? I used to know a really good rank 1 hag who used this flawlessly to block loops. I’m pretty sure she paired it with the increased duration phantasm
I didn’t mean it in a bad way, I just thought it was cute because you’re so passionate about her. Hope I didn’t offend.
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@Poweas That we can agree on, spirit and hag are definitely fun and viable. I’ll still be playing with under top tier, I don’t care too much about tiers because I don’t play competitively (with rank still meaning nothing) had a funny ninja doctor match on Lerys by complete chance last night, was very fun. Even clown can be fun every once in a while.
I’m also not a fan of billy personally, I can see the potential though and I’d definitely play a sneaky billy build if I ever learned him (decreased noise, M&A, tinkerer etc) but that doesn’t make him interesting to me. I’m personally excited for ghost.
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@Kiskashi being completely honest, I don't like weaker killers generally. I am skilled with some of them and can 4k but I usually like the killers who I can always win as because I hate losing. Unless It's as Spirit or Hag that I lose, then I'm fine with it.
It's the reason I don't like Billy. He's not strong against proper survivors. At least Spirit, Hag and Nurse can still stomp them. Hag can take on SWF, just takes a hell of a lot of skill but it's doable. But Billy, he gets looped for decades. He's a noobstomper. Unless you're running addons, he's quite bad in comparison to the others. Still good but bad in comparison.
Those 3 are unloopable but Billy can be bullied for days. He's not as good as he gets credit for. Killers that were buffed like Hag and Spirit completely outshine him.
He can snowball decently, but still not a Hag/Myers tier snowballer.
Idk, Billy is not good at all. He's an M1 killer against good survivors and it's obvious. He can curve his saw but survivors with a brain could turn the other way and avoid it and STILL get to the pallet. With addons to increase his saws movespeed or instacharge or ridiculous turning or even his instacooldown, he's quite good though but still not as good as a base Spirit.
I play base Spirit at high ranks (usually around 3-2 because I don't go for rank 1 although rn I'm around rank 6 because I don't get much time to play) and I can stomp people without addons and with a build of BBQ, A Nurses Calling, Save the best for last and Surveillance. No ruin or anything.
Even as Hag, I play her base with A Nurses calling, Thanatophobia, Sloppy butcher and Save the best for last and I'll still do better than an instasaw Billy.
As Billy I used to be decent with him, I used Enduring, Spirit fury, Bamboozle and BBQ. With instasaw and instacooldown addon combo and I did much worse than Hag and Spirit. I used to 4k a lot, but I wasn't Hag or Spirit tier.
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@Poweas I don’t know how many would argue that the top tier is not including nurse and spirit but billy has been shown in a lot of cases to be very high rank viable, due to his map pressure and yes with the right addons he’s a nightmare. Hag is an interesting one for me, she’s definitely amazing and versatile and I honestly don’t know which I’d put above which when it comes to hag and billy, I’ve seen really good hags at high ranks but I’ve also seen really good Billy players. Hence why I’m not a fan of tiers, you have to consider though that even if he is an M1 killer, map traversal at will and potentially catching survivors off guard is his thing, hag generally has to wait for a trigger.
I’m not really the one to discuss this though, I’ve played against top rank killers, not as top rank killer. (Only watched gameplay of them because as I said, not that competitive of a killer) So I’d rather say thanks for the discussion but I don’t feel up to the level of debating killer tiers based on experience. I often see Freddy as last on them but I can destroy teams as him up through most ranks (I’ve played him up to 5 solely, which is the most competitive I probably ever got in terms of ranks because I don’t usually care too much), plague, bubba and clown are much worse to me but hey that’s why I don’t debate killer tier lists.
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@Kiskashi honestly, I've faced a god tier Billy before. I've also faced a god tier Hag. I've played both at an excellent level (although, I'll admit I've lost my skill as both).
But I didn't mean to say Billy is bad, I meant to say he's good, but bad IN COMPARISON to Hag, Spirit and Nurse. He's viable, works well and can 4k just as well as the next killer. Just trash compared to the power of Hag.
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Did this thread die? :(
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No @Boosted_Dwight you revived it.
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Not anymore. ;)
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I revive threads for two mins :P
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Yep
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