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"Thank you for sticking with us for 3 years, here's another terrible killer."
"We here at BHVR thank you for sticking with a dev team that refuses to communicate clearly with its playerbase. We hope Ghostface gives you enough hype to stay with us, because we know turning horror movie icons into jokes is what our community loves.
"We have heard about his detection issue where you lose your power the instant someone looks your way (even if you're behind a wall). This is a bug we intend to fix, but we'll need to make some "logical changes" to compensate. If we don't, we'll say it's a feature.
"We have heard about the outrage to Mettle of Man and have reworked it. To compensate, we buffed Unbreakable.
"We know sounds are an issue. Again. Don't worry, they'll be fixed next patch, only to be broken the patch right after.
"We hope you all continue with us into year 4 of our schoolyard bully simulator."
-BHVR
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Jesus. The truth really does hurt, but at least there's honesty in this post. God that smarts.
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BHVR:We've rebalanced MoM
Also BHVR:We've buffed Unbreakable because ######### you killer :)
And also BHVR: Let's never release any good killer again.
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"You want new maps? Even better than that, we'll just tweak an old one"
"You want a new survivor? Even better than that, you can have DBD mobile instead."
"You want bugfixes? Even better than that, you can buy a battlepass instead."
Thanks for listening devs.
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Complete truth here.
We had so many garbage killers in a row it’s not even funny anymore
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2 actually. Spirit is awesome.
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The Ghost hasn't even released yet. The PTB is there for a reason. Constructive criticism is great and helps but I really think people are taking this too far and should hold off on calling the Ghost the greatest abomination / a personal attack on killers as a whole until we have the actual product in our hands.
It's not like The Ghost wasn't an interesting concept. It just doesn't translate well in the current state of the game when played against survivors with any level of competency.
As far as the perk changes go, I like them for the most. I just wish they'd do away with the obnoxious, unnecessary red-flash when pallet stunned.
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BTW we added a new VFX when you get stunned by a pallet, it can introduce nauseousness and head aches, but that's a price we are willing for you to pay, especially if you share your joy over the internet with other people via video.
Now you know that you extra messed up!
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It feels like ptb and player feedback in general is mostly ignored. I don't expect him to change before release personally.
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honestly, as much as you guys are disappointed, i really don't think that insulting and bashing on the devs will make them fix things any quicker, at least for right now. this is just my personal opinion.
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I don't think anything with the devs is quick, aside from fixing bugs that affect Survivors negatively.
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Its hurts.
And the fact that I as a Canadian, I feel disgraced.
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@Skittlesthehusky You don't have to worry. The developers have a track record of ignoring PTB feedback given by killers because that feedback is taken "with a huge grain of salt" (as told by Matheiu during a livestream).
Killer feedback will be ignored, as usual.
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10% buff on a one time use, situational perk?
Doesnt seem like as big of a deal as people want it to be.
Also, before anyone says "its OP with tenacity and flip flop". Yeah. If you want to waste 2/3 (or even 4 if you want to add no mither) perk slots for the 10% buff.
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I hate mentalities like that, especially when we have a chance to see how good or bad something is. A lot of people called out that the Ghost's power as it is now would be awful. They were proven right.
I will give this killer a chance on Live build, I will. But if the Ghost remains as he is on live as he is here, my faith in BHVR will take a huge hit. This is made worse because I'm praising them for the Freddy rework and how good it is.
BTW, what is it? Can we criticize this killer or can we not? I wasn't allowed to give feedback before the Ghost was given to the PTB, and I was right in wanting to.
Now we are given the Ghost and apparently WE STILL cannot give feedback. -sighs-
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Complete Truth: But despite all my complaints I'm still playing this game and I'm buying Ghost Face anyway!
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All feedback got moved to the Patch 3.0 discussions page.
My thread about the Streetwise buff got moved.
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heres my idea to make ghostface good i hope you like it
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@ReneAensland I actually like the Streetwise buff, I might level up Nea to get it.
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I use it in KYF because it makes flashlights last all game. 25% buff sounds amazing.
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He will definitely get buffed on the PTB Im 99% sure.
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There's a difference between saying something along the lines of "Ghost's power is terrible because very rarely can you activate the exposed status due to survivors having free control of their camera at all times" and "This killer is a travesty and a spit in the face of every killer everywhere. BHVR hates killers and wish they all never bought their game. Literal dogshit tier killer, whoever made this should be fired".
One is constructive criticism. The other is just flaming. Let me know if you need further clarification.
I can't speak of The Plague (was taking a break from the game) but I know that Spirit and Legion both received PTB changes based on feedback or very soon after launch. That is a decent track history based on the last 2 of 3 recent killers at least.
And yet there were many people who did say that they wanted a "Battle Pass" or were indifferent (myself included, why should I care if they offer more options for people spending their own cash on optional cosmetics with no gameplay impact).
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At no point in my post did I say "This killer is a travesty and a spit in the face of every killer everywhere. BHVR hates killers and wish they all never bought their game. Literal dogshit tier killer, whoever made this should be fired".
Other than that, I have no comment on anything due to being at work.
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When calm, collected reasoning is habitually ignored or not acknowledged, people turn to hostility. You get what you give, and since BVHR has a bad habit of doing very little or nothing, it's no surprise that people have defaulted to the same low effort, non-constructive criticism that mirrors their own responses.
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So true.
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"There's a difference between saying something along the lines of "Ghost's power is terrible because very rarely can you activate the exposed status due to survivors having free control of their camera at all times" and "This killer is a travesty and a spit in the face of every killer everywhere. BHVR hates killers and wish they all never bought their game. Literal dogshit tier killer, whoever made this should be fired"."
Never said that myself if that is directed at me. I don't condone people kicking and screaming but I understand why they kick and scream. Seeing as how you took a break it's possibly expected why you haven't seen people behaving like people.
"One is constructive criticism. The other is just flaming. Let me know if you need further clarification."
That's my line, buddy. >_>
"I can't speak of The Plague (was taking a break from the game) but I know that Spirit and Legion both received PTB changes based on feedback or very soon after launch. That is a decent track history based on the last 2 of 3 recent killers at least."
No, no, no. Spirit was changed after PTB, showing us the Devs CAN occasionally listen, but otherwise they seem to blissfully ignore us.
They only JUST NOW changed the Legion, months after they came out and even then the change castrated them.
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I'm not joining in on bashing because we need to do more testing, but if BHVR wants ghost face to be an immediate purchase from fans, he either has to be a powerful killer or a perk that REALLY stands out that killer mains would love to have and I'm not seeing either in ghost face with the few games I've played with him. But we still have to work him out possibly. Maybe he can be a mid their killer after sorting and after ptb?
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We also have to make sure survivors have countless counterplay and control the killers main ability. We can't have killers running around sacrificing our precious survivor mains jeeze, who do them try hard gamers think they are?
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I was in stiches at the PTB videos Ive seen of many well-known DBD players playing as Ghostface and it jus looks a mess. Downed and Hooked Survivors counter his ability? And apparently it's only the camera looking at Ghostface to deny him, not the actual face of Survivors.... So we yet again have a Killer that has to jump thru hoops to get their ability to "work" that is easily nullified and ends up mostly a waste of time to get the payoff of it....where just downing and hooking normally would do the job quicker.
Potatoes and newer players may get Ghostface to be a scary encounter, a threat...but mostly it's gonna be M1/R2 all over again....poaaibly fun for a few days, then goes back to business as usual....
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@Andreyu44 Such optimism.
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I can never tell the difference between passion for the game or just flat out whine whine whine whine
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It is a little overly aggressive, but OP's point is true.
People are much quicker to jump at BHVR because these same mistakes have been being made for over 2+ years. Nothing has been learned from previous mistakes.
Making good, constructive feedback posts hasn't fixed "almost" any of the previous killers or balance problems. All the feedback we give as to what needs to be changed gets ignored because the BHVR balance team thinks they know better and they don't.
They also lean on HEAVILY flawed stats for their reasoning behind said bad or non existent changes.
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get behaviored kid, they would say
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They received buffs and were STILL nonviable even after said buffs. Being made less trash doesn't matter if you're still trash.
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Clown has been bugged and Shadow nerfed into being bottom tier, idk what you're talking about.
Spirit got buffed to viability with the right add-ons, but she's still bad at base (like every killer minus Nurse)
Legion got buffed, then hard nerfed. He now has one playstyle, which also got nerfed hard.
Plague and buffs don't ever appear in the same sentence. She's even worse than Clown.
The last killer they made strong on release was Freddy, and yet constant complaining got him hard nerfed. And now he's most likely going to be even worse next mid-chapter patch.
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preach!
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Why are the devs so scared to make viable killers?!
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Survivors
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I think it's because they're afraid of backlash from the survivor side, which is a stupid reason, but the one I think is most likely. I mean, survivors are still complaining about the Nurse and they have been since her release.
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Survivors.
Nurse is needed to tip the scale slightly towards killers. We can't have all our killers be Enduring-Spirit Fury killers.
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I swear, even if they release a new killer with gun on future, their power goes like "You can't use your power unless you do this and survivor do that" thingy and keep killer only do M1 entire time
They start releasing weak killer now after legion backlash
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Outside of Spirit (who looks more like a fluke) the track record of killer releases for the last 2 years has told us their priorities lie in the rank 15-20 experience. They simply do not care about the 10-1 experience, ESPECALLY not the rank 5-1 experience. They do not value gameplay feedback outside of their own low level internal play until it reaches a deafening chorus, at which point they make a change that mostly misses the point of the criticism in the first place. MoM is too great of a reward to gain tokens with no skillful interaction in normal gameplay? Now we get tokens on safe unhooks. Huh? The main complaint with Plague is that survivors can completely deny the one thing that makes her fun. The very next killer can be completely countered by lookin at them. How's Deathgarden looking?
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Like they are going to change this complete piece of crap killer into even a semi decent one in 2 weeks is impossible. The only way they will actually change the way they make killers is if the people who play killers tell them that this is not acceptable to even think that this would be good for the game.
Also how did a QA tester not realize the bug with survivors being able to look at ghostface for .0001 seconds and have his ability turn off? There is no way they could not have spotted that bug meaning either. 1. BHVR didn't care enough to fix it before the PTB or 2. They could not fix it before the PTB, in 3 months they had to make him they left in and couldn't fix a literal game breaking bug.
There is no constructive criticism to give to people who know what they are doing wrong and either can't fix it or refuse to fix it.
That is why if ghostface doesn't release in a 1000% better state than he is in the PTB. BHVR won't get my money and hopefully not a lot of money because they need to learn that creating terrible killers that are hardly functional is not the way to make money.
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GDis what DBD want to be
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The changes that they have made from PTB to Live have never been that meaningful and the issues in Ghostface run so deep there will need to be a rework for him and it is really sad to say that before he has even release the entire community knows that he will need a rework. They either need to get their design team to learn to design a decent functional and powerful killer, or they need to find a new design team that can design a decent, functional, and powerful killer.
Until then they won't get my money for their crap work.
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This is why they won't change. Because you don't have the willpower to stop throwing money at them until they start improving.
They have shown they will only listen to one thing: money. You likely know this, yet still pay?
It's like going to buy a gun just to shoot yourself in the foot.
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And DG will follow what DBD became. It's the same company, I don't care if it's a different team.
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100% agree
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