Not sure what's going on, but these past 3-4 days have been awful.
No matter what rank I am as Killer, i'm constantly being put with Survive With Friend groups... no matter what. I've had one game in the dozen i've played where i've actually felt relaxed and calm whilst playing today, the rest, i'm going up against SWF using Insta-Heals, Brand New Parts, etc. This has been from Red Rank up to Green Ranks, and there's literally nothing I can do. I've also been getting put on the biggest maps in the game, Plague Map, Thompson House and just Coldwind Farm in general...
Is anyone else feeling the same way or am I the only one experiencing this? I'm tempted to just take a break until Bloodhunt from now so that I don't burn out on the game. I struggle to play Survivor too due to dumb teammates constantly ######### me over... oh, and I don't want to be waiting 15 minutes to actually find a Killer that has decent ping as Survivor... typical PS4 queues.
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And that's why I dodge SWF groups. It's just not fun for me, and why play if I'm not having fun? Might take a bit longer to find a game, but at least I don't hate myself
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A lot of the time it's hard to do so when on console, because 90% of players, when I go to check their Friends List, they have it hidden.
You may then wonder... how do you know it's an SWF? Well, of course, I don't 100% know... but the way they play can easily signify this.
As I said, i've had about one Killer game today where i've somewhat enjoyed it, two survivors still escaped, but it still felt very fair and balanced on both ends.
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I never dodge and play all games. Even with high ping. I just tap ready immediately.
Regarding your experience these last two days are kinda same on my side too. Could be luck I can't see any other reason.
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I don't have time to be picky with my games because of my very limited available playtime. Those SWF matches can be really rough though.
It would be nice to know if we went against a group at the end of a match though. I don't see the harm in letting players see the groups in that case.
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Lately matches have been crazy efficient altruism. I never dodge though.
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SWF games are excruciatingly frustrating on those huge maps, so at that point I try to force the 'saviour' mentality out of them by going after one player (aka tunneling) while avoiding as big a looping session as possible (see if they have a weak link). Then, like rats out of a drain pipe, they come running for the save. Sadly, there isn't a lot you can do against those well-communicated players but dirty cheap tricks can sometimes get the job done. Don't get me wrong, I would rather not do this and just play as usual - but the team gen rush on the big maps usually spell game over quite early.
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I have spurts like that. Either swf or just really efficient solos.
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Killers who insta ready are mostly nurses or insta chainsaw billys, that's my experience at least and survs dodge them by that.
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So you complain about survive with friends when you’re playing as a killer but when you play solo survivor the other survivors are “stupid” lol soooo?
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These past 3-4 days my queues are taking so long. There's something up with the game< I think people are so disgusted with the Ghostface PTB that they stopped playing or something.
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Just dodge the lobbies, it's not hard to notice if 2 or more survivors are in a group (I once had in my lobby 3 survivors named Blossom, Bubbles and Buttercup). If they are not that obvious, just check their Steam profiles to see if they are friends with each other. I use that information to know who to chase, who to camp and who to tunnel. For example: survivors in a group don't usually disconect when tunneled and is not very effective to camp them.
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I only play Myers.
So if you are confident and not scared of survivors they dodge you? Why complain about killer dodging then?
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The game was also very unfun for me as a survivor in the past few days. Full of OmegaBlink Nurses and strong killers with the strongest possible addons and teammates that can't hit ruin skillchecks and spend the entire game looking for the hex. I'd rather play as killer against SWF than solo survivor rn..
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They are screwing with the matchmaking again. Killers now have to wait to get into a lobby that isn’t even full.
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I play on PC and have the same experience with large maps ( with no offerings burned ), SWF ( with x2 lower ranks than me ), and the cycle has been continuing for well over a week. Recently, with the matchmaking pausing the killers load times until the lobby is full, I've been particularity upset with my inability to notice how many survivors are coming in at once. I can only imagine how frusterated you are with voip being built into the PS4 system HUB.
This helps me decide on what killer I want to play so that everyone can have the most fun. Fun but ineffective Trapper who races everyone to the basement, Devious Doc who keeps even the most canny from hiding, or Mori them all Spirit because I'm aware all the survivors are using some type of voip to warn each other about the Hex Totems Exposing them. None of these have proven effective against survivors rank 7 or lower. Whether it be body blocking basement, looping, or dropping pallets and stunning me while in haunt mode.
Maybe I'm just the worst killer on the game, but with 300 hrs at least I've learned to moon walk in order to hook 1 survivor while the last 2 gens are out of reach. Don't misunderstand my play style. I'd never turn down a full group of 4 SWF, but I should have the ability to know if 1 or more of them are under rank 5, or have the same potential with other char perks, if there are no indicators of team play. It's as easy as having a separate section for solo play vs group ranked matches and would likely draw a larger crowd with gaming communities these days anyway.
I also enjoy Survivor, but rarely SWF because of their need to tell me what's going on like everybody has a walkie talkie. I must get paired up with others who are NOT in SWF categorized since my green rating is always the lowest and nobody wants to work as a team as the game requires. Horrible skill checks? Scrapping the killer off on me? Jumping back over the pallet that the killer faked running around? Running in front of me so I can't vault or get through the doorway? Who cares, I got caught, I'm still enjoying the non-competitive game. It would be grand to get paired with some survivors who are aware that teamwork is needed to heal me though. Really tired of running self-heal on all of my survivors. I have different aspirations with them just like my killers!
Thanks for the read.... I think too much and it shows in my writing. 🥂💎🎼
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They are certainly making changes to the matchmaking and the experience is awful!
Rank 2s paired up with rank 10s...
Can a person from bhvr please explain what is happening?
The situation is really critical, we would like some clarity before the double BP event please
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The matchmaking has not changed in quite a while.
Generally speaking the game will only pair you with people are your rank and only in your region. If it cannot find enough people to fill the lobby, it will gradually expand the rank and region range until it can. In extreme instances where it cannot find a suitable lobby, you might get ranks that are out of the normal range.
What's likely happening there is a SWF group. It'll use the rank of whoever started the group for matchmaking purposes. Since there is rank-range limit for SWF groups, people who are outside of the normal expected range could end up in a lobby that they wouldn't normally be put in.
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It works both ways, get good, then either wait till reset or take a break so you come back at R15 and bully everyone.
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This is what needs to be changed. The matchmaking should not use the rank of whoever started the SWF, but instead use the lowest rank.
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There is noticeable difference after I create a lobby as a Killer @Peanits. There is a long pause before the lobby is made and afterwards the survivors come in practically at the same time. Are you saying there has been no change in lobby creation as well?
I understand someone's gotta give when it comes to the short end of the stick, but my last game had several lower level ranks and 1 rank fifteen. It's obvious to me that system of matchmaking is being abused. Is matchmaking changes an option in the near future? I've been gifting this game to many of my friends and would like to explain to them it's not always going to be the same.
Thanks for the time. 🥂💎🎼
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I don't think this is correct on ps4, I have plenty of photo evidence of ranks being all over the place since last Friday.
Also lobby creation for killer was different, it wasn't instantaneous but you had to wait a couple of minutes and then a lobby was created and it was quickly filled with survivor. Something is going on on ps4 and it isn't pleasant
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There isn't a rank limit for SWF Groups, i am 100% sure of it
just yesterday, i deranked back to 15, then then i fought against a group of SWF that is clearly meant for Rank 1, they are here to bully baby killers, sadly im not one of them so i killed them all
Rank 1 survivor + rank 3 + rank 6 + Rank 20 Survivor
The rank 20 survivor is 100% on an alt account , so they queue with the rank 20 , to get baby killers
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ok so this ps4 match didn't have any SWF, I asked all of them. Killer got destroyed for two pallets by the best looper of the team and realised it wasn't a fair game and he dc'd right away.
This has been happening over and over again in the last 5 days, something is going on.
Unless there aren't enough players, but I don't think that's the case.
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Don't bother asking for advice from this community. They'll tell you to get good against the swf who's in discord yelling " HE'S CHASING ME, DO GENS" or" IT'S MYERS, HE'S STILL TIER 1, DO GENSSS, I LOST HIM, HE COMING DAT WAYYYYY". If you notice the group is swf, just drop, dont need to put up with their #########. Rather you win or lose, they will still treat you like #########.
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You have options to deal with them. I know BHVR has their statistics, but I did an experiment and started checking Steam friend lists. At least half of my games have some sort of SWF combination.
You said you're on PS4, but learning Nurse is still an option. What you need is map pressure. Nurse, Billy, Spirit, Hag work. Huntress can also work. I can't play Nurse at all, so I only take Spirit or Hag if I suspect it's SWF.
It's often easy to tell what they want you to do. Don't do it. That person going clicky clicky or teabagging and running away from all the gens? Don't chase. Downed survivor immediately crawls to a pallet? Look down then quickly look around. Guarantee you'll find someone else to smack.
Yes, they're coordinated and it's playing the game on hard mode, but the big 4 killers can still handle them if played well.
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hmm I always hit ready and then a lot of times minimize to do stuff on the net until the game's ready but I never took that into account. People do pop in and out of my lobbies a lot when I'm paying attention and I probably end up with more SWF players for that reason. Oh well...
It could have been a coincidence but I got the delayed Searching For Match long pause before creating a lobby as soon as I fired up the PTB for the first time on Friday. Then when I went back to playing the regular non-PTB game it was still like that. I was playing the regular game right before that so I wasn't sure if the game got updated or if it just carried over from the PTB files somehow. I'm pretty sure survivor was doing the same thing.
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The only change on Swf that i can see its a penalty repair speed so an example 10% if its 2 swf 20% 3 swf and 35% if its full swf but also give a bp bonus for killers
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most games have some form of swf (2 people) in them, so it's virtually impossible to avoid
on top of that i face 4-man groups pretty consistently throughout the season. most of them are boosted and most good 4-mans screw around and play overly altruistic
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I encountered two 4 man SWF groups today at rank 12 on PS4 out of the 4 games I played. I used to get mad about it, now I just play as gud as I can, get my points and move on (or turn off the game afterward and do something else to take my mind off it).
I used to dodge lobbies a lot if even two players looked to be SWF. Now I accept the challenge unless it's very obviously 4 people who are dressed the same and all have items and even then nowadays I just say #^$% it and try anyway to see how it goes (Spoiler alert: usually badly). I just sit there playing the game the best I can, having no fun, and try again for a few more games. (I only play the game about once a week).
Short version: Yer not alone.
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I played 4 games today on PS4 and 2 of them were 4 man SWF at rank 12. I used to get mad about those matches and now I just sigh, play as "gud" as I can and move on (or turn the game off and do something else to take my mind off it)
I used to dodge a lobby if I suspect even two people were SWF but now I accept the challenge unless it's an obvious 4 man in the same clothes and toting 4 tool boxes. Even then, sometimes I will say "$^%& it" just to see how I do (Spoiler alert: I do terribly). Now when I get tricked into an SWF game, I just sign, play the best I can, have no fun, get my points, and try again. I only play about once a week and I will say nothing makes you not wanna come back like a match where you get totally boned.
Short version: You're not alone.
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My only gripe with SWF is the high ranks who do it to get a mid rank killer who they destroy and depip. I stream as I play so I have no choice but to play each game and can't just dodge. Most of the time I just try my best but nothing is more annoying then getting to the after game report and being rank 10 and seeing 3 rank 2's and a rank 20. Honestly with the advantage SWF gets rather than the average they should play a killer of the highest rank AkA if you have a red rank in your SWF you should get a red rank killer. And yes I can hear the survivor mains flocking in to down vote this already and explain how they are teaching friends to play. Some times yes that is the case but a lot of the time its so they can have a much easyer game.
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More photo proofs that the matchmaking on ps4 is broken.
Red ranks facing yellow ranks, and no SWF I asked, they simply said they queued solo and ended up in my lobby
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why are you all complaining about ranks if it's proven of no indication of one's skills. a rank 15 can be as good as a rank 2 and vice versa. Also don't forget a lot of good players just hover around rank 12-15 just because they don't have to face all these try hard killers (and usually the same killer over and over again) at the highest ranks.
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Because I'm a very average player with no goal of becoming a good player so I'd like to verse people at my level of skill so casual players.
Sometimes rank doesn't mean skill, you are correct but this matchmaking is simply different than the usual one and I keep getting people outside of my skill level, that's usually not the case.
I can have good matches against green or yellow ranks but get stomped by super players.
Not fun
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Working as intended actually.
If you can't find anyone, the matchmaking will extend to other Ranks to find you a match faster.
I'm sure the Red Rank dude wasn't too thrilled either. He was probably waiting a lot longer than you honestly.
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I am not sure this is true, this ONLY happened during the test of the new matchmaking which was then retired.
You could be right if this was happening once in a while but it was most of my matches since Friday.
Unless ps4 players dropped in a week I am sure this is a new test or something
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Are they testing on all consoles or just PC?
And high Survivor ranks typically have long wait times. He could have been waiting for over 3+ minutes, which opens his game up to pretty much any Rank.
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I play on ps4 so I can only speak for I play, but I am fairly confident something is off with the matchmaking.
Since Friday the 7th it has been like this, ranks all over the place.
This is true for both survivors and killers, PLUS the process of creating a lobby is now different: rather than starting a lobby and get an insta lobby where you would wait for survivors; now the lobby takes 2-3 mins to be created and you get survivors right away
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Hmm, that does sound like a dedicated server set up.
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Because now you have to sit and wait in a queue for 5 minutes again.
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you know I thought exactly the same? maybe they are testing without saying to avoid backlash
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You just said you de ranked to 15. Dont de rank and you won't get smurfs. Dont quit and you'll get better.
Why do people still act like SWF is the plague. you cant win em all. All you can do is learn more efficient strategies by being in a tough situation.
Guess most of yall are just used to being handed things these days eh?
Inb4: it's not even any fun
What's fun, an easy 4k?
Fun =/= ease
If you dont have fun, just dont play. But dont queue up and dodge/complain about a team of people trying hard when it's an abysmal rate they even exist in the first place.
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Yes, what the ######### were they thinking? That's absolutely ridiculous
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From my experience this particular cm has told people that basically they got outplayed by a better team...
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I’m having the same problems. Ever since entering the purple ranks, 99% of Survivors I’ve faced are really sweaty. Their only goal seems to be get out ASAP. I've been able to reach the red ranks consistently, and there was never this much gen rushing. Did the event just bring out the absolute worst in Survivors? It really makes want to derank back to the green ranks. Ranks 7 and up are almost completely devoid of fun. Rank 8 can be a hit or miss.
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@Peanits any word on why, since the GF patch, it takes 10 minutes to create a lobby, and when you do there's nobody in it?
What are we waiting for then?
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@BeanieBoyBob I used to hate SWF groups as well, but now I just view them as a challenge, in green ranks I've been able to deal with them with ghost face, while playing a bit tunnelly at times and not chasing for too long.
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So the blood hunt is over but it still takes 5-7 mins to create a lobby as killer.
Can we please know when something will be done about this? Thank you
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I mean what do people expect to happen when survivor perks just keep getting worse and worse ?
Playing solo in this game is a really bad experience so that leaves survivors with the only option to play SWF, as they should.
The solo players will go away to other games so long the state of the game is what it is. Making the queue times longer for killers and when someone joins their lobby its a SWF.
And myself will only play if i can get 2-3 others on discord so we can have a good time playing this game.
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