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What not to do as survivor. From killer's pov.
I play both sides, a bit more killer, because survivor is just boring most of the time. I noticed couple of things a lot of survivors do, that i can very easly abuse to win easier.
-If there is no bbq proc I will search hook area very, very thoroughly. Especially if its place where i can 3 gen easly. Reconsider using distortion and lockers. Instead try walking one direction for 5 seconds and then going opposite way or just returning to gen. Great way to confuse killers with bbq.
-if survivor loops near another hooked survivor while not all gens are done, that's all i need to stall the game. Especially when breaking all pallets in the area.
-I usually hook and go for another one, but if survivors made me stay near hook long enough so next stage of sacrifice is withing 10s I will stay there to not waste those 50s i already commited. It is just efficient.
-if survivor went for reckless save and got grabbed of hook i will just drop him on the ground and i will not leave easly. You just created situation where i control 2 survivors who can't do anything and others are very likely to be here aswell for sneaky save. Don't be that guy, just wait till killer leaves.
-in many cases tunneling is the most efficient play, even with borrowed time and decisive. Just don't do stupid saves. Freshly unhooked survivors are very likely to waste pallets. I have seen it even at rank 1.
-if i 'camp' for some reason, pointing and tbagging at me to leave the hook will just not work. I have hooked survivor who is dying very soon, and i see another one or two not actively doing objective. This is exactly what killer wants to see and how you will ensure that everyone dies.
-you don't want to do corner generators, ever. You don't want to leave 2 generators right next to each other. If survivors do gens on one side of the map only, or don't do middle one first, it is very easy to 3gen from that point.
-you don't want to waste any pallets. You don't want to use up every pallet in one area. You don't want to throw shack pallet if you survive taking that one hit. Whenever i see survivor doing any of the above i know i found weakest link which i can exploit.
-you always want to try wiggle free. If survivor is not wiggling he is going to the basement. Period.
-if you see someone self caring, just let them. If you do the math you will see its more efficient to do everything separately (unless its top priority gen, or its just one gen left). Exception to this is: having faster heals, proove thyself and working on gen as 2 (not 3, not 4, 2!).
-Another danger of farming other survivors. If i see 1 survivor doing this twice in a row, he is getting camped, others are getting free farm and escape. Depends on mood, of course xD.
-Whatever happens, you don't want to dc or ######### on a hook. You just created 3man 5gen game, basically easy win for the killer. I have mori list of guys dcing on first catch. Changing names doesn't work, i can just follow your steam profile.
-You see a totem, you break it. I don't want to hear this. I run noed everytime i play Myers, just do totems.
-Generators are your only objective, going for save is not. If you go for save it is very likely noone is doing gens. This and camping is the reason kindred is literally the best perk in game.
-if you know you can waste a lot of killers time way better than anyone else in game it is good idea to get his attention. It is not a good idea to be dick tho. Tbagging, pointing and tapping flashlight every single time you have the chance is easy way to get camped. Generally i have thick skin, but i work so much now, that i literally have no time to play. If i happen to get hour or two and you are annoing little ######### - it actually is very relaxing to see you get mad and salty. I don't make that up, it really is relaxing. I also don't need points or rank so... If you want respect, respect others.
Edit: You can call me camper if it makes your day, but i play efficiently and for fun. Rules made up by someone else don't bind me in any way.
I posted this so maybe you will think some situations through. I really dislike dying on hook because people are doing dumb stuff arround hook and not even trying to touch gens. And i think you too ;).
Edit2: CJ Tech. Just don't try this #########. Smart killers will just wait one second. You end up wasting pallet that survivor was under and giving killer a free grab. Just don't, unless its rank 14-20.
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Thanks,this is very well thought out.Most of it is common sense stuff, but I'm constantly surprised by how many at high ranks throw most of it out of the window.
And yet there is still stuff here that even I forget in the heat of the moment.
+1 from me
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@SoylentPixie thanks mate, hope to stumble upon you as survivor but not as killer ;).
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Depends whether you are on console or not. But to be perfectly honest, i'm the kind of survivor that appreciates a decent killer. If someone gives a damn good game, survive or die, i take the time to send a GG.
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THANK. YOU.
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-I usually hook and go for another one, but if survivors made me stay near hook long enough so next stage of sacrifice is withing 10s I will stay there to not waste those 50s i already commited. It is just efficient.
-if survivor went for reckless save and got grabbed of hook i will just drop him on the ground and i will not leave easly. You just created situation where i control 2 survivors who can't do anything and others are very likely to be here aswell for sneaky save. Don't be that guy, just wait till killer leaves.
Big yes to these 2 points. If you run me back to a survivor who's about to move phase, I'll sit there for a few seconds just to confirm the phase. And if you're gonna just sit there and stare at me I'll just stand there too. I've had a game where 2 people were waiting for me to move to rush the guy but I knew they were there and just waited till their friend died. They got toxic af (as expected), I shut them up by saying "Shouldn't have given me a reason to defend my catch."
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NOED always gets me, but I don't do totems because I always feel like I am wasting time instead of doing g generators, which makes NOED a common killer on me.
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I agree with you on everything but letting the survivors go if one of them was farming the rest. I will try to kill or sacrifice every survivor, I will not allow anyone to escape under any circumstances, just if they outplay me
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@RoKrueger Of course, killers job is to kill and that is 101% legit approach.
However, i despise DCing and farming/killing teammates in games like dbd so much. If killer dcs, game ends, survivors don't loose anything. When it is survivor dcing very early on (most of the times, because they did really stupid mistake) its other 3 survivors that have to deal with 5 gen 3 man game, which in most cases means depip and getting rekt.
I found out, most dcs actually stay to spectate, and when they see others getting free farm they just go nutts. Often in post game chat.
I just enjoy punishing cancerous players and rewarding normal chill dudes. My prefference.
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@HazeHound Having one disconected survivor go nuts sounds appealing, but if I obliterate the rest and some depip I can have two or three survivors cursing all my family. So I will keep on doing it ;-)
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Nice informative post. It really helps both Survivors and Killers players! 😀
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My Brutal Strength, Fire Up, Bamboozle and Barbecue Myers stomps dumb teams like those, even high ranks, I assure you.
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Never run straight l, if you have only one direction of movement you become an easier target and any good killer remembers what surv belongs to what name in game and whether they tend to run straight or not, change it up
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Never constantly target one gens. Never run to the nearest pallet while I’m phasing.
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To expand on the OP's post: a lot of people complain about camping, but you have to give killers a compelling reason to leave the hook and you can't wait too long to make the save. If I see scratch marks or don't see BBQ auras, I'm going to be there for a bit. If someone has 10-15 seconds before they go into second state or die, you waited way too long to save them and I'm going to head back over to the hook to make sure it happens. Good killers aren't going to hang around the hook unless they have a good reason to do so. I guarantee a good killer will leave the hook if 1 or 2 gens pop.
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@edgarpoop I agree with you 100%.
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Last one.
Dont be salty
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As someone who plays only survivor i like this post alot! I feel like you gave me a new look on camping and i now understand why some do camp. Thanks!
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Well my number one rule is not to take advice about survivor from a killer, but here are some points...
1) Protect yourself from bbq procs unless you are good in a chase. Odds are someone else is going to get seen anyway. This is also why I laugh when killers say bbq/chili discourages camping, if anything it tells the killer when to camp. Special mention - If a survivor comes running up to a gen you are working when a proc goes off...wait the 4 seconds, then get the hell out of there. Two people near a gen? You can bet the killer's next stop is going to be you. Generally, you also don't want to cluster with other survivors at all, again a sure bet the next stop will be yours.
2) Agreed, don't kill other survivors by looping around them...if killer is on you get as much distance away from the hook that you can so someone else can make the save safely.
3) Try not to get seen moving in for a save. If you are or suspect highly you are -- see #2. Remember even if you cannot see them, you are still leaving scratch marks when you run. Keep that in mind when positioning yourself for a hook save.
4) If you do get slugged under the hook...crawl away far as you can and get out of sight of the hook. You should avoid getting grabbed off a hook though in the first place.
5) Tunneling is so easy to do and too effective in this game, that's why killers do it. Saving is almost an art and requires good timing. If you make the save, take some responsibility to protect the save - and that might require taking a hit. Try never to flee in the same direction as another survivor when the killer comes, split up.
6) If killer is camping teabag all you want and he's not moving? Do gens.
7) You can do corner gens - especially if they are unsafe, it is often best to get them out of the way early while the killer has three other distractions running around. Gens near exits should be low priority though. Try to identify clusters of 3 gens quickly and break them up. You might not want to finish a gen, then immediately run to the closest one and do that either - take a look around for other gen clusters, over time you will develop map awareness of where the gens are likely to be. You can use Deja Vu perk to help. In some cases, 99% a gen then doing another that is right next to it so you can pop both within seconds is a good strategy. Just don't leave a 99% gen unsupervised, long you may return to find the killer kicked and regressed it.
8) Not wasting pallets is good advice - you can put a limit per chase on how many pallets you will use. Mine is 2-3, after that if I have not lost the killer I consider taking a fall...away from the basement. If a pallet can save you from going into the basement, use it, then get away from that place. Number one rule should be don't get yourself hooked in the basement. If you are on death hook, well, do whatever you have to do, wasting pallets is still wasting killer time while a dead survivor does nothing.
9) Good to always try and wiggle free, but you can also use that to influence the killer too. If you have good timing you waste a bit of killer time moving to basement, then start wiggling and having him rethink his plan after he walked away from a much closer hook.
10) Self caring is okay - just remember that sometimes you need to act, and act now...not 20 seconds after you finish self caring.
11) Hook farmers suck and I laud any killer that punishes the hook farmer. Let the killer deal with it if he decides to ignore you, don't go rushing back to farm the farmer in front of the killer and give him a gg at the end cause he was sporting.
12) DCing is DCing...there's many reasons, maybe the guy just had six games in a row where he got tunneled and this was the last straw, whatever. Do not worry about killers putting you on a 'list' or any other blow hard threats they may have - likely they will try to kill you anyway on your meeting, right? So what does it really matter. He's going to try harder to kill you? Laughable.
13) This is risky and advanced strategy - acting as the diversion. If you are good in the chase, go for it, but I would not expose myself to risk immediately. You can see how the others survivors are doing and after time you will develop the sense of when you should 'step in' and either help waste killer time or take a hook for the team.
14) If you got nothing good to say in after chat...probably say nothing at all. Hope your next trial is better.
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Pretty naive to assume everyone is close to the hook if you don't see any BBQ auras, given how much killers also insist that the perk has over 9000 counters.
Here's a tip for killers: You see those other auras? The ones that look like generators? Try checking on them. You might find me at one, demolishing your Gatekeeper emblem.
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Well, it's not. Not really. Sure there are perks, gen hiding, and lockers, but who actually uses Distortion besides adept Jeff? Or Lone Survivor as Adept Laurie?
If you don't see someone, it's safer to assume that the person is coming for the save. After all, 40 meters is a fair distance. You could also have things to do, like PGTW gens, or breaking used pallets... Sometimes killers use other things to bait a save if they don't see all survivors.
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@darktrix I agree with everything except corner gens. Easiest way to 3gen yourself. Of course there are times when it doesn't matter if its corner or not but guides like this are meant for newer players who don't have that sense yet. Even if its unsafe gen a killer has to travel longer distance to check on it. Can't count down times i finished last gen in literally last second.
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A few points I disagree with.
- Searching thoroughly with no BBQ procs. That's a VERY dated playstyle, and there's a lot of opportunity to avoid BBQ altogether or confuse the person running it. If I see no BBQ reads, 9 times out of 10 it's because the survivors are playing well, not because they're close.
- "Gens are your only objective, saves are not." 4 categories of bloodpoints, 4 categories of emblems, if you're ignoring saves you're making life hard for yourself unless your only goal is to JUST survive. If you make it out with 8000 objective points + 5000 survival, I'd say you failed.
- Trying to get attention. Not so much disagreeing on this one, just adding to it. If someone is TRYING to get my attention it's clear they think they're top ######### at looping. I don't need to waste my time on you, chances are the other 3 players are worse, or you're carrying them in SWF. If someone's trying to get in my way, they aren't doing gens or getting saves, and eventually they get too cocky and become an easy down.
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I'll actually run distortion as a utility. Good info to have for a match. Leave me on the gen and I'll let you know you're wrong about me being close to your hook.
Plus I bet you "efficiently" proxy camp the hook based all the "why I'm still here" rules you placed
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Far better to follow one's own rules than your opponents
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You waste way more time searching the area for someone inside BBQ range than you would just picking an aura and going for that player. Not to mention, whoever is inside your range is hiding and not doing gens, thus going after them won't pressure the group like going after the guy you actually see on a gen. Like I will do a quick once over if I suspect someone is close but no more than 10 seconds really. If they hid in a locker across the map then you are wasting a LOT of time on nothing. Just go for the guy you know where they are.
And I can understand doing this if you really need to secure a kill, but if you don't then you're just being greedy for a kill. So what the person gets saved off the hook. It's not that big of a deal.
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Want a reason to do totems? A totem gves you 1000 points whyle a gen gives you 600... Need another one? Time to do them is abyssmally different. Want to REALLY mess with the killer? bring a rainbow map and spend the beggining of the match breaking the 5 totems, I get salt messages ALL THE TIME when I do this, LOL.
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@thesuicidefox Having person hooked and another one downed nearby puts so much pressure on survivors it is worth loosing a distant gen in a long run. Again, if there is no bbq aura at all its very safe assumption that someone is very close. I haven't seen distortion as killer for at least month, everyone seems to be busy running dead hard, adrenaline with borrowed strike and then beeing shocked that killers take iridescent ######### ;).
Edit: Of course, there are other ways than bbq to know survivors locations, i use it just as example. No traces elsewhere then i'm checking hook area - this is assumption, sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but it's very accurate most of the times ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. If it didn't work, i wouldn't do it, as simple as that.
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Ok... this is THE POST. I could pick thing or two I would phrase differently... but this is what every 'pro survivor' who is trash in reality needs to hear.
Edit: Okay what the hell, guy who made this post is banned from forums? No wonder there is less and less amount of actually informative, good quality posts...
Edit2: I can sum this up in one sentence. Run Kindred and do gens.
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