The Shape's power update/comparison to GF
With comming of Ghostface I think The Shape should get some updates to make his power more different from Ghostface's since he is imao superior in pretty much all aspects of stalking/instadowning and sneaking. What I'm saying is that GF is perfectly balanced but he puts a bit too much shadow on Michael right now so MM should get some buffs/updates to make his power more usefull. Maybe these buffs will make him far too strong but it would be at least nice change from constant meta of Billy, Nurse and sometimes Spirit.
It's better to try and see the results and if needed revert then if they prove problematic insted of waiting forever.
So here they are :
1. Since GF stalking is much faster and gives exposed much quicker while it takes forever for MM to activate his power I think that EW 3 should give 20% pallet breaking speed + 5% movement speed increase.
Currently you can quite easily loop him for the 1 min of his power and even when he downs you with it, it took him so long to charge it that it's very bad trade unless you can take down multiple survivors. GF is right now far superior in instadowning so this would help MM a lot.
2. EW 1 should have 110% movement speed and normal lunge distance so it allows for different playstyles of MM. Right now EW1 is only for meme build with scratch mirror and only on specific maps which is such incredible shame since idea of multiple stances killer is really great and it's wasted so much right now. You never see Michael players deciding to stay in their EW1 just because it's beneficial or fits their playstyle.
3. I think that it's fair for EW2 to be kind of normal killer stance but for the sake of making it unique I would like it to have increased lunge. So let's remove the increased lunge distance from EW3 and give it to EW2 but moderately increased.
I hope that eventually some of these changes make it into the game and make Shape more unique and stronger killer overall comapred to Ghostafe who is now imao better Shape.
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Myers is currently in a very good shape. I dont think he is going to be changed.
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I'm not saying he isn't a good killer but he could be doing better. Like tell me in what ascpect is Myers superior to Ghostface now (unless they nerf him which would be unreasonably dumb).
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Vault speed bonus on T3 makes him very hard to be looped.
Extra lunge is useful.
With add ons he pretty much excells ghostface in everything.
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Only thing I'll agree on is the vault speed, that is very usefull but only against windows and with so many safe pallet loops it can still be clunky.
Extra lunge won't change the outcome of the chase most of the time since it's not all that long.
Even with his best stalk addons GF still stalks faster and his power efficiency is much bigger then shapes. Also GF's stalking doesn't have a cap unlike myers and in matter of stealth GF is far stronger then any myers build can be.
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@Kebek If your agreeing that he's a good killer, then why change him? Doesnt that go with the saying, if it aint broke, dont fix it?
As far as what you ask, with in what way Myers excels GF...
Many of Myers addons adds completely new styles to him. While I understand your argument, what you seem to miss is that when Myers uses his t3, he becomes a threat to EVERYONE, while GF is only a threat to 1 person. last time I played Myers, I got all 4 ppl downed from 1 use of T3, with just the default 60 seconds. No one is gonna be body blocking that to deny you a hook, lol.
Compare this to Ghostface who can excel at 1v1 by shortening the chase time. Instead of requiring 2 hits, he can just require 1. Since his stalk is faster, he can generally pop HIS ability more often, giving his better 1v1 potential, but at the cost of overall pressure. Clown is another example of a killer with the same exact problem. Good at 1v1s, low map pressure.
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What I mostly desire is to make myers's power more different from ghostface's since right now they are very much alike but ghostace's is better. They are both almost eaqually good but why would anyone now buy myers and not GF when baseline his power has better stealth and his instadowns are slightly stronger.
I don't know how much you've played PTB but I managed to get quite a few multistalks and instadowned several people in about a minute just like myers does. With myers getting multiple down with his ability is far trickier since you have normal terror radious, red stain and you have to stalk far longer for the same benefit pretty much. Only thing better is the fast vaults but good survivors stick to pallets while myers has EW3 and don't really run around so that he can see them and down them within his time limit.
Also I'd say that GF has better map preassure since from what I say whenever you stalk a survivor he generally stops working on a gen and runs to a pallet until his exposed timer runs out since they are scared of GF suprising them exposed while they're on a gen. Or at lest that's from my experience but both of them have very poor map pressure since they lack mobility. Another problem considering pressure is that good survivors can stalk starve michael since his EW1 makes him the worst early game killer in the game which certainly doesn't help.
I'm not saying that my changes are what Micheal needs but rather that I would like to see his power updated in some creative way so that he differentiates more from GF who's power I consider in near perfect state right now.
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I feel like they should give multi-stalk back for him.
Fix stalking in tall plants such as corn or bamboo on the farm maps and Yamaoka Estate.
Maybe increase the amount of evil you can get from stalking survivors until they're sucked dry?
One thing that I've thought of is that Ghostface has a Killer Instinct effect after getting revealed. What if Myers got Killer Instinct for awhile after Evil Within 3 ends?
Myers is a decent killer, but I agree that he can be a little better with changes.
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@AlwaysInAGoodShape Random but your post reminded me of his name
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TBH I'd just make T1 have a 0.4 second lunge and not have EW3 have the pallet break increase.
That would make each tier up consistent in effect which makes it more intuitive.
Each tier: Doubles terror radius (yeah I know EW1 is 6 meters not 8 but eh close enough), speeds up vaulting by 0.2 seconds, adds 0.2 seconds onto the lunge and increases MS by 0.2 M/S
please note that a 5% increase in movement speed is NOT 0.2 M/S. But rather 0.23 M/S, so yeah, that.
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really just adds 0.2 onto all his stats
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the shape its far better than ghostface with the nerf he had and more nerf in the next patch he will take place as the new freddy
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It is literally in the patch notes that they plan on nerfing GF (because I guess they don't like killers being fun and balanced) to make it easier to break his power again.
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I think what Myers needs is his multi stalk back and no stalk limit per survivor. Then him and Ghostface would be pretty close.
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myers its way to good than gf since gf dont have any speed boost when someone its marked and also hes detection its too ez while myers can be powerful in both ways
1.- infinite tier 3 he gets more speed and also he gets vault speed meanwhile gf dont have any
2.-myers can wallhax with the addon and also he dont make any noise since hes T1 meanwhile survivor can hear gf at 8m
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- Myers isn't faster during EW3, ONLY his vault speed. Also, infinite EW3 is an ultra rare addon so not really a fair comparison.
- That requires an addon that also isn't going to work against high ranks, it's just meme's. Tier 1 for Michael also has him moving slower with less lunge, Ghostface does not.
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