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Legion needs love.
For someone who has been a Legion main since day one, I don’t think I’ve ever considered wanting to leave them behind for another Killer until Ghostface came out...Legion has too many flaws that have become visible to me now that time has passed. There’s a lot to discuss, so get ready...
Cooldown. Legion’s cooldown time is just...Abysmal. It’s insane. You could take a pallet stun headfirst without enduring and that would be more beneficial to get out of it rather than taking the time to actually get through the cooldown process. Now, before you say that you could waste time by taking the stun and kicking the pallet, there are perks that can easily make that ‘chore’ a quick sweep under the rug by simply bringing Enduring, Spirit Fury, and/or Brutal Strength. There should really be some sort of buff towards their cooldown or his cooldown add-ons.
Buttons. I’ve talked about them before and was told that it was not a priority on a live stream by the devs...Ok, that was fine, at least it was acknowledged, however...Ghostface was going to receive two add-on affects that would’ve done the same effects as the buttons, but were quickly removed because...Well, there’s literally a perk that does what those status effects were suppose to do. It would’ve been useless to have them as add-ons, so they were gone. But why keep Legion’s..? Not only does it waste their time by having to smack Survivors twice with Frenzy, but it’s also does not last long enough to be really beneficial. The buttons need to be reworked. They could be reworked into being what some of the mixtapes use to be, which is, increase movement speed or perhaps do something more unique for Legion, like increase vault speed!
Killer Instinct. Recently, Killer Instinct was changed to rid the Killers who had it, which were Legion and Ghostface, to no longer see the auras of Survivors, but rather, the strange Entity-web like visual over them. I shouldn’t have to explain how bad of a change this was to Legion on the Coldwind maps, and in chases in general. Not only does it make their eye-sight through corn with Killer Instinct on non-existent for Coldwind, but it no longer helps with the downside of getting kicked out of your ability if you miss a swing. The old Killer Instinct was fine the way it was, and no one, not a single soul had asked for it to be changed. I really think they should return it to the state it was.
Remember the saying 'save the best for last'? Well, we're here. Deep Wound. As it is right now, Deep Wound for Legion is so unbeneficial for them in it's current state, that it makes Freddy's dream-world look like the most broken ability in the game. Deep Wound has no downsides, besides the fact that you can not heal until it is taken off of you, similar to Broken, but can easily be removed by simply holding M1 in any area of the map and not need to worry, as being in the Killer's TR doesn't lower the timer until they're gone or their TR disappears. Not only that, but other Survivors can help get you out of Deep Wound quicker by healing you, something they can't do if you're Broken, if you're in Doctor's T3 madness, or you've contracted the plague from The Plague. This made Deep Wound a buff rather than a nerf, and helped perks like Borrow Time become amazing against killers. Status effects for Killers shouldn't be a BUFF for SURVIVORS. Deep Wound NEEDS to be reworked. It needs to be something Survivors DON'T want to have, rather than having it to help give them an advantage in situations such as getting hit by Legion's FF. Giving it downsides, such as MAYBE being able to see the aura of Survivors suffering from Deep Wound outside of a CHASE (not TR, a CHASE) could really make this effect more fearful, rather than child's play.
TL;DR
Legion needs reworked add-ons and reworked abilities. They aren't terrifying anymore and they are currently beneath Freddy before his rework is even out. They need love, care, and affection from the devs, or else they'll be the least played Killer in the game and become a joke to use in YouTube videos or meme threads. :(
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I agree that buttons and deep wound need some sort of buff. I have two ideas for a deep wounds change:
- The deep wounds timer decreases while in the terror radius to a minimum of 25%. Afterwards, deep wounds will no longer decrease or put you into the dying state while inside the terror radius.
- Attacking a survivor with deep wounds while in feral frenzy decreases the timer by 1/3. (basically just make Frank's Mix Tape baseline).
Having both of these in the game at the same time would be awful, but just one would be a good enough nerf here.
For the buttons, I like your vault speed idea. I also like the idea of having them apply the status effect until the survivor heals to healthy, but your's is better.
Cooldown is really annoying to work with as Legion, but I'm not sure if it needs to be shorter.
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Can we at least let him see drain progress again? So at the very least it has use as an unreliable Psudo-whispers?
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@Exerlin Any changes to the buttons would be lovely, they're just so...I don't want to say it, but horrible. They aren't...Useful. They really need to be reworked. :(
@NuclearBurrito I wasn't sure why they got rid of that to begin with..
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I know right
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@NuclearBurrito Im going to assume it might've been because they didn't want Legion to 'tunnel', but that's kind of the incentive for any Killer who is in the chase with a Survivor they literally just hit...
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Although some people try to say that Ghostface is the new Freddy, Freddy has long lost his throne to Legion. I only see one benefit from his ability which is to get a first hit, and even that might prove impossible versus a skilled survivor that knows how to loop him. You are better off just use M1 the majority of the game really.
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I agree with most of it, but Killer Instinct has always been that web-like effect, that wasn't changed with the Legion rework as you suggest?
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The CD definitely needs reducing; look at the most mobile, strongest killer in the game, that the devs haven't touched in a very long time - The Nurse, with...a 2 second CD. Meanwhile a 115 killer has a 4 second cooldown; you may aswell bait a pallet stun over ending your power so that you get out of it faster. It basically FORCES you to run enduring and spirit fury, in order to be viable.
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@SunderMun They recently updated Killer Instinct to longer have a red aura around Survivors who are in your sight. This completely kills him on Coldwind when running through the corn, not to mention the fact that it makes chasing Survivors in Feral an eyesore because there’s a web that is constantly blinking. Originally, it was slower, but now it beats like a heart that’s about to explode. It’s not helpful at all to Legion.
@Nobu I agree, you shouldn’t base a Killer off of their kill potential, but rather, feedback. If there’s an uproar about a Killer not performing too well, there should be changes, like Ghostface for example. He was horrible and now he’s high mid-tier. They changed that because of feedback, not because he wasn’t killing anyone...You could still manage a 4K if you played as a M1 Killer, but no one found that fun, so, in theory, shouldn’t Legion get the same treatment..?
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They will give legion buffs after they give freddy buffs from when they nerfed him. The cycle continues
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I agree Legion needs some upgrades, at least the possibility of triggering unlimited feral frenzy just to move around the map ( no hits allowed). This would make legion a slower m1lly
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Pretty much... :/
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Susie is now using Franks voice when leaving feral frenzy...
That is a buff right?
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@Alfred Steroids are one hell of a drug. I do hope they fix that too, they really need to help this poor Killer(s) out... ;(
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Hopefully this is true and hopefully they are with the Legion a bit faster^^.
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I want his old vault speed back.
He can get looped while in Feral Frenzy and exhaustion perks still destroy him
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we did ask for legion to be changed, but we didn't ask for the devs to destroy them. #JusticeforLegion
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Feral Frenzy has too much downsides for it to be helpful and idk why they even tought giving so much negatives to a NON LETHAL POWER was a good idea.
Cooldown is too much, having to wait until it's full charged is too much, the slow speed and vault speed is too much , the stun is too much.
It's like the guy who came up witht he changes never played Legion to begin with and only looked at his old power on paper instead of in practice.
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Legion and Plague are the two killers that I refused to play as at the moment. When ghostface came out I completely turned over to him. Before he came out I was mostly playing Huntress and Spirit. Legion “rework” was just bleh for me.
Legion needs a full rework. A tweak did nothing. Launched Legion was boring to play against and fun to play as. New Legion is boring to play as and against.
Everything about Ghostface powers seems that it would have fit well for Legion character. I can’t shake the thought of way since the first dev video of Chapter 10 with them mentioning about Legion original power where they had it so they could stalk but they didn’t want “another Meyers” Now look 😑
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Then Legion is fine, he could probably need some more adjustment to lower the kill rate a little bit.
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They need to at least bring back seeing blood in Feral Frenzy. Now that you can't even down with Deep Wounds stabbing, not saying that I want that back, there is no discernable reason why Legion had to be overnerfed.
Legion wasn't just killed, they all were crucified.
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Legion was the most recent to be reworked. GET TO THE BACK OF THE LINE.
I completely agree he needs another one though.
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@AshleyWB It wasn't even a rework. A rework proposes the idea that something is changed fundamentally. What the Legion got was a Crucifixion disguised as a fix.
The Freddy rework can legitimately be called a rework as his whole fundamental gameplay was changed.
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I just think if Legion was to get another rework opportunity it'll just be for a lost cause. They already messed up legion. I'd rather they focus on getting new yet to be released killers balanced and fun.
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@AshleyWB Still, they shouldn’t just forget about them. They’re just as important as any other Killer is to the game. A lot of players loved Legion for their design, lore, and their concept, but now it just feels like maybe they really ARE trying to forget about them. That shouldn’t be the case... :(
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+1
As I had first read the Legion patch notes, I had thought, that must be some sort of late april fools joke (You know... How Blizzard it sometimes does, with "we will let your warrior throw fireballs, all your progress will be deleted..." This sort of stuff...).
But what should I say? It wasn't as we all know now :(.
Damn, I miss the old Legion :|.
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I think all he needs is:
Shorten his cooldown
Old vault speed back and
Make DW bar go down while doing a gen.
I think he is in a decent spot rn but these could help him.
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@GrootDude Anything would be fine, so long as it isn’t another nerf and it actually helps Legion out of their current low-tier ranking.
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Yup Legion got gutted so that survivors can feel like the can win chase against him. His power is hollow shell of what it used to be. He needed severe changes but power level wise he was alright yet devs insted removed every threat he posed and slapped on him normal movement speed.
If he got some changes to make his old frenzy more skillful and harder to get hits with, it would solve many issues and kept him dangerous. Unfortunatelly we got what he is now, another M1 killer with close to useless power.
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I hate how the devs outdated the Kills = wins system, but they still use it too track how good a killer is. Kills mean literally nothing. I can 3-4k survivors as Freddy, doesn't mean hes good.
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@BunnyTheHutt Exactly. I can still 4K as Legion, but that doesn’t mean I enjoy it or find it fun, something in which they were trying to do for Year 2 Killers. It shouldn’t be stressful to play a Killer who is suppose to be ‘fun’. If that were the case, then I really should just give up playing Legion for someone like Ghostface, who is identified as a ‘Hard’ Killer to learn, in which, he really isn’t, and is a lot more fun and less stressful...I don’t want that to be the case though. I want to have fun as my favorite Killer! :(
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New Legion just feels so rushed and half baked. They made an un-counterable killer with a weak, but very annoying power into a typical M1 killer who can get 1 free hit sometimes if the survivors stay where they are. The devs clearly paniced once everyone was done with legion, so they just killed him by nerfing him into oblivion which wikll eventually make him be reworked again. I would honestly just merge the two legions into one. so it would be...
- 115 MS, 32m terror radius, and his power still works the same
- Make Deep wound go down in terror radius's and when mending.
- Make addons that increase Killer Instinct range into MS addons so you can be sonic
- Rework the pins except iridecent pin. They are all horrible and make no sense.
These could be changed obviously, but this is what I would do too fix him.
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I agree i main legion and like 80% of his addons are useless, i dont understand franks mix tape like that with the stab wound article makes it 4 feral frenzy hits, not to mention you need to wait for your gauge to refill and you could still miss.
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Old vault speed back when
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@ASpazNamedSteve Soon, I would pray.
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Th best build I have for legion is sloppy bbq bloodhound Franklin. You either snowball or you lose lol
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Sad times where nobody likes to use the Legion perks anymore. Even it is understandable after the patch.
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@Nobu question:
What are these buffs/nerfs relative to?
For example most of what you listed for ghostface was already part of his kit before any buffs.
And his stalk time was actually nerfed not buffed, its 5 seconds up from 4.
Also your list is wrong. Ghostface is taken out of his power by missed or successful attacks.
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@Nobu Your points were still valid and I appreciate your help with the cause, Nobu. :)
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@Nobu Why are you listing the movement and vault speed on legion then? Those would be buffs under the definition you just established since he doesn't have either of those while not using his power.
Also not being able to see the bleedout timer is null (the lack of an advantage is not the same thing as a drawback) and Killer instinct is a buff (if you are judging the ability's in absolute terms then the fact that it used to be even better is irrelevant, it's still useful now).
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@Nobu I guess.
My point is that your post is invalid due to not comparing the same thing.
You were putting things that were nerfed on ghostface as buffs but also didn't put helpful mechanics on legion as buffs.
For example the power drain on legion. That's actually a BUFF, since it used to drain the whole power instead of just half.
If you were comparing Legion to a base killer then it would be valid (since that IS a drawback)
However if your comparing New Legion to old Legion then it would NOT be valid (since it used to be worse)
You need to keep your comparison method consistent or you won't be comparing things that can be compared.
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@NuclearBurrito Agreed, though I can tell they’re just trying to help as best as they can.
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Upvoted with love and support!! i play legion when i want to blow off steam. i have always found them fun to use and fun to play against. I miss the vault truly it was make them so unique and fun to play even sliding across pallets was fun. Now it feels very weird not fluid.
I dont mind the rest of the changes but very much like the plague its like being in deep wounds or sick does not effect anything it baffles me. I feel this needs addressing being sick or in deep wounds even regularly hurt you should not be able to carry on like your healthy it makes noo sense!! Unless you run resilience then it does lol
Anyway much love to op good ideas hoping upvoting gets you attention 🐷❤️
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