Nurse experiment (400 kills)
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Some of the Nurse's add-ons have to get changed because they are currently too powerful. At the same time: If Nurse gets nerfed, some things on the survivors' side have to get changed, too. For example, insta-heals are too powerful as well.
I don't think that only nerfing the Nurse would be good for the health of the game.
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I'm a retired Ps4 player, but you're more than welcome to play KYF against my nurse. 😎
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I’m scared 😮
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I'm sitting here watching Salgu play now @GrootDude. We can run a few games if you'd like. I haven't played PS4 dbd in about 8 months. I could quite possibly be trash with Nurse. How bout it?🙃
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@KaoMinerva sure, I’m TreemanXD on psn. :)
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You're my friend and you already played me LOL. You added me BECAUSE OF MY NURSE LOL
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@KaoMinerva wait,what? Who are you? XD
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DOesn't take an experiment for the devs to know that a player with thousands of hours + the nurse = bunch of dead survivors. I think they already know that. 😉
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So your telling me...
Someone got good, at a highly skill based character? And they shouldn't get the things they are working for?
Are you telling me that everyone in all those matches where at their A game? Counting kills in a time frame isn't an experiment. We need the extremes, god tier killer and survivors facing off, new survivors vs a new nurse player. We need all the in between, we need perk-less runs, we need OP addons and perk runs.
Testing isn't done in minutes, hours, or even a day, especially with things that can vary, such as, killer and survivor/the individual skill level of each player, where they all solo? 2 teams of 2? A 4 man SWF? What were the perks being used? How many used X perks, what maps?
These are things that should be test thoroughly, for every killer and it's match ups, not just cause some people can't face a certain character.
But of course, let's not do any real testing. I got a 4k with Freddy so he's viable amiright?
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@Raccoon A couple of things. First, I dispute the notion that the depip squad experiment was disregarded. There are people that hold that as gospel even today. The very fact that it's been over a year and you brought it up and 95% of the people that read this thread will know what experiment you are referring to without a link proves that it had a real impact on the game and community.
Secondly, the experiment wasn't exactly done to scientific standards in the first place. In order to do an experiment with any real credibility requires more controls. It was interesting data. It certainly raised many debates. But the very fact that they were publishing the results to the public as they played the games tainted the data. There were no doubt capable killers that saw them in their lobby and knew what to expect and just dodged the game for example.
Third, it has been over a year. We aren't playing the same game today. There have been many fundamental and significant changes to the game since they did their "experiment". Anything they might have proven has long since been invalidated.
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I don't give a f if someone has 10k hours on Nurse. Mastering a killer should NOT guarantee you a 4k every time.
Ranking up and winning a lot of games is a reward for mastering a killer. Killing everyone every time - even good survivors - is a symptom of a pretty serious design problem.
OP, I didn't read the whole thread because I didn't want to read the mental gymnastics of people defending the Nurse (that gets old really fast) but if you didn't provide a link or something like that, please do. It's an useful resource for the community. If the "experiment" keeps going the way it's going, it pretty much helps to confirm what reasonable people know already - that the only thing in the way of a Nurse player and consistent 4Ks is the Nurse player themselves and their own mess-ups.
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I’d like to see him play add-onless too, I’d actually like both sides to go vanilla.
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Both sides going vanilla is pretty useless for the community because no one plays perkless, unless their memeing/challenging themselves. Not realistic.
I do think add-onless is a must though.
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True
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He needs to play her without addons to truly prove his point since we all already acknowledge her add ons are OP.
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They're all likeable and nice guys for what I've seen and heard.
The point I'm trying to make with the clip is, they know some stuff in the game might be too powerful in experienced hands. And they're ok with it.
So, if you're having fun with the game, you'll have to put up with some stuff inevitably.
The way I think is, you'll have to put some 1000 or 2000 hours into nurse to be able to consistently wreck 90% of your adversaries at R1.
Almost the same could be said about those death squads. Brush it off an move on to the next match.
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Nurse and 4-person SWF are indeed OP. It's about time their reign of terror ended.
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You guys need to be noticed... Salgu, the Korean DBD streamer is currently claiming that total balance of DBD is broken now(some op killers, and some op survivor perks, and some killers with too bad performances, and abandoned perks, etc.) - and he targeted nurse as one example. He've played this game for such a long time(6'000 hrs). I think that his claim is not useless at all - but whether someone does something or not, DBD developers never listens to Asia server users lol
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You didn't read the rest of the post, just this one here part, but okay, just like most people, shouldn't have expected much more.
Then what exactly do you think should be the results of someone mastering a hard character? Where do we draw the line between a character being to strong and player skill level? A small and "experiment" like this is enough to just change your mind? If I got X kills in X time with X killer would that suddenly change your mind to?
Simply put, the Nurse is based on how much skill the killer has, and much less on survivor mistakes compared to the rest of the cast, she has more control than any killer, which is why survivors piss themselves over it.
But nah, let's make her like the rest. After all, all you have to do is get a 4k and a killer is suddenly viable. Ya'll want a nerf, but you don't know how to changer her yourself. What would you even do? Base kit 1 blink? She's already trash and addon dependent like the rest. Decrease her base distance blink, that isn't that far? Increase the amount of things she can't teleport through, so it can be abused and looped around?
Let's all quite whining and wait for the DEVs to make an announcement on it. Or not. For now, we can whine about how "old Freddy was stronger". Always something to laugh at around here.
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He's exploiting the playerbase for twitch views. Anybody with a half a brain cell knows that a nurse main with 6,000 hours will defeat 99% of random survivors. Unfair, yes. But pit him against four survivors with 6,000 hours on discord with addons that are "true survivor mains" and watch him crumble.
I bet he wouldn't play Trapper with his 6000 hours and prove a point. He would lose against survivors with only 100 hours. That's not balance!!!!!!
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Shhhh you're ruining the circle jerk
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Just nerf extra blinks and rework range add-ons, those are the real problem, since they remove much of the skill needed when playing nurse
nurse is the only killer most high rank players (specially PC players) can rely on, looping aint fun and makes you lose a lot of time.
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pffs...im also korean player who matched and sniped him
nothing special between him and other good korean players, like me
but i know theres big gap with good(know something) and decent(kinda good players) players which most japanese top players are decent, never seen any good player as him
but this standard is not even fit in na, they just can't understand what your saying
like we know good and some of us good some of japanese players are decent
but na players doesn't know our definition of decent and good
however they now reached skill level can notice nurse is super op
so i think we can wait more comportable
cause theres not many times left our decent level is also can be common in thier region
so people of here stop saying he is top player, no, he is good player, not a top player
in dbd, being good doesn't requires that much of react speeds and accuracy
personally i think im a decent nurse player so using good addons to all kill everytime
but least i can tell some brain having player main it, no one in earth can think thats balanced no matter how he or she is superhuman being in gaming
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He (Salgu) is trying to write a letter including some vids to Devs to talk about the entire balancing problem that DbD has these days. The first experiment vid is this one -the Nurse-, so he could tell them that this one killer is just too OP. He's gonna make vids about some very efficient and low risk'ed perks for Survivors such as DS, BT...etc. He's point is that the devs now are trying to balance out the whole game by creating perks every time the community complains about sth. As a player who deeply loves the game (with 6k hours of play time), he just want the game to be fun but not tedious. He has seen so many good players leave the game because of all those ######### balance patches and bugs they never fix (lol). Anyway, since there is no way that devs will hear out the players in Asia (their language setting is messed up as well. nth really makes sense), he is trying to come forward to reach out to devs. He is not trying to just one-side blame either killer mains or survivor mains. He is trying to discuss about the whole balance system in DbD nowadays.
As of myself, I played DbD for 3k hours for now and this era is the time I feel the game is boring and tedious for the first time throughout my entire gaming years for DbD.
As a huge fan of this game, I just want them to do the REAL balance patch. Not just doing it by rule of thumbs but doing it with the user-side view as gamers. (Hope devs play at least few hours of DbD a week ._.)
P.S. btw what's the point of having all those colorful and numerous perks as survivor if you are only gonna use several certain perks? some perks are just too OP. I watched his stream (the Nurse one) and every single player has Dead-Hard/Sprint Burst and DS lol. Then the 3rd one would be the Self-Care amiright? I mean... it's just too tedious. ugh
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He's not a Nurse main lol He plays every killer a day but Nurse... He doesn't really like playing the Nurse. btw, you think he's doing it for twitch views? nah. He's already gotten 3-4k viewers in average. He doesn't care abt the no. of viewers.
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im hard to belive twitch watchers have 3k playtime and skillful enough
cause most of them didn't even bought the actual game
i think he just egoist, nothing but average good korean player
my point is, every korean can perform like him with nurse if they mained it,
but they doesn't do killer from how much people hate nurse,
and wm1 killers are very underwhelming green ping volunteering
broken balance after all
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Guess you haven't read all of my comment after all lol that's what i'm pretty much talking abt tho... current balancing system of DbD and the devs are wrong in some ways... It doesn't matter if it's killer or survivor.
tbh, I'm kinda glad that he came up front to address the issue for other Asian players. I live in the U.S. and I play in NA server but I know what is going on in Asian server these days.
You guys are always short on killers and it is incredible to find a lobby with a decent ping as a survivor
I played the game ever since it was launched and got only 3k play time so it's not like I played a lot :/ I just play time to time with my friends.
But I know what you guys are going through cuz first, I watch Salgu's stream and second, I experience you guys' pain whenever I visit Korea. (pretty much forced not to play the game cuz the matchmaking takes more than 40 mins to play a game)
I just hope devs to listen at least... they don't really have to fix everything in accordance with what Asian users are talking about. But I hope them to realize sth in some ways... :(
p.s. btw he's not a Nurse main .-. he doesn't even play the Nurse in daily basis. I think this experiment is actually the first time that he played the Nurse more than once in few days.
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She negates base game mechanics of creating distance with walls, and barriers such as pallets or windows.
Her power gives a minor stun, where new killers have a cool down on their power usage.
No kidding she is broken lol. One of the devs on their live stream said if Nurse was released in 2018/2019, she would be completely different.
She was made at a time when there were legit infinite’s in DBD. Instead of fixing the maps, they released a Killer that could ignore all that.
Shes broken. Plain and simple.
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These Nurse threads are on the rise tonight bois.
Maybe she'll get that overdue nerf where she can no longer use 3 blinks. Oh a man can dream.
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I played on Asian server in a country that have even worst player count, never really experienced what you say in the pass few patches. They are not many DBD player in Malaysia and I often have to go solo, and if I'm in swf group, I will have to group up with my friends over in Taiwan or Hong Kong.
Ever since this broken matchmaking that pair up rainbow colour rank in 1 game been introduced, I usually get games in 10 minutes times with mostly green to yellow ping, I only get red ping once in a while, and that is queueing with player from Taiwan too.
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The streamer who already gets the most viewers in his time zone is trying to "exploit the playerbase". Huh? The number of viewers he gets every day already rivals the top North American streamer. If you could read Korean you would see that there is already a firm consensus about Nurse there. All of the stream comments are about how broken nurse is, how her nurse is long overdue.
Sorry, but you don't know about the region he is playing in, so you don't know the players he is playing against. Many of them ARE survivor mains with thousands of hours in the game. Several of the games have been against SWF groups (yes, full ones) with full perks, items. There have been lots of insta-heals, keys and toolboxes. And he is slaughtering them all the same. What does that say to you? Are you really so scared that your favorite busted killer will be nerfed that you'll ignore truth?
But your last comment really shows how little you know about this topic. Survivors with 100 hours would be absolutely demolished. Try watching the stream sometime. Or any good killer's stream.
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Well, Korean, Japanese and Chinese server (?) doesn't really pair all the rainbow colors but maybe red and purple together... and that's why it takes forever to matchmake or maybe devs just messed up with East Asian server only for some reason I guess... :/ well i'm kinda jelly that you get a lobby with decent ping that fast
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Just play something else 4head
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I am not good at English.
But many people know the wrong information, and I want to write.
Korean Streamer Salgu is 6000hour player but he play all killer and survivor, main killer is hillbilly, and he play nurse once a day with start stream 2017~, he play all killer once a day but hillbilly is many play but nurse is up to 2 times in all situations a day
he never 6000h nurse player. play time is 40%=survivor, 60%=killer Inferred
and all killer play time is even, except for hillbilly and nurse because he said hillbilly is funny but nurse is not funny, he said i'm meet or play nurse is disgusting because she is OP
he play killer and probability of survive approximately 20~30% but this probability, the nurse occupies an extremely low part.(any 1%?)
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This is a capture of June 21 broadcast on Korean date last month. The clip on the play itself is hard, and I didn't have a video, so I brought it with me. It's a translator, so if you don't understand it, please understand it. Anyways, it's enough for a Norfolk add-on nut, and when Salgu finishes all 400 kilos, he'll play Norfolk add-on Knut on the wire. If you're curious, I hope you'll come to Twitch and see it for yourself.
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You wanna say that he played no perk and no add-on b4 and he got 4k right? :)
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dude the translator loool I see he played the Nurse as No perk and No add-on but still got the 4k... :) well I get what you wanna talk about. tnx for sharing.
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The only thing that game needs is more killer like nurse, that break the game mechanics so we have a richer experience.
Bring back the S++ tier BHVR.
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If the survivors know about the experiment, then why would the try hard against a killer they all want nerfed to dust?
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@thepigBuff "It's a translator, so if you don't understand it, please understand it."
Sorry I know English is not your native language, but I LOL'd at this.
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If that many survivors believe nurse is broken in the first place, that's a problem. But see for yourself. He's been going against lots of survivors who have been trying their darndest to escape the trial.
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They believe she is that broken because they don't play her and keep going against nurses using double range add-ons..
Plus the standard MaH LoOpINg No wOrK!!
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Why no legion 400 kills experiment?
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I have been watching this streamer for 4 months even though I don't speak Korean. He is a great DBD player (killer & survivor).
I am shocked and surprised by how far he is willing to go in order to prove how broken the nurse is. Getting 400/400 kills is a bit too extreme, even for a god-tier nurse but I am excited for the result of this experiment.
The sad part is, people who keep defending this killer refuse to pull their heads out of the sand. So let us hope his efforts are not wasted.
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Yep, that makes sense. No one plays nurse so they don't know what they are talking about. Let's ignore the fact that this streamer (while playing nurse) is saying that she is broken. Or that many of the survivors I've seen in this experiment I've also seen while I'm playing survivor. Want to take one guess what killer they were using? Starts with an N.
Or that I played plenty of nurse at red ranks until I decided it was too much like playing a single-player game, squashing survivors and giving them no hope to escape simply because I learned the killer well enough.
Some people actually want balance. Nurse in this state is not. When I play killer I refuse to play nurse anymore because she is broken. When I play survivor I loathe going against nurses who know what they are doing because my skill at the game is negated.
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I am assuming you also want all the pallets and windows to be removed? Do you also think that looping is an exploit and require no skills ... or brain? And that stealth is the optimal way to play this game?
Dear devs, please add a game mode where killers can play against bots because obviously these guys don't want to play a balanced game where players of equal skills have a fair chance of winning.
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Yes, let's go back to the endless threads about DS, MoM, OoO and NOED.
On topic, Nurse's add ons should be adjusted. I'm fortunate enough to play on PS4 though so a good Nurse is very rare in my experience. If it was good Nurses all day I'd probably delete the game.
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Don't come to PC then.
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Or do, because no Nurse plays like this streamer.
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.... That's a joke right?
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