Killers who try hard after two early DCs deserve to be bullied in SWF matches
One of the things about playing solo survivor is you'll get into matches where survivors DC almost as soon as the game begins. One is bad enough but sometimes you will get two and then to top it all off you'll get killers who still try hard after that. All of you killers out there who don't like SWF this is why SWF is necessary to ensure a reliable experience. As solo survivor it sucks to go into a match with cakes, ultra rare items and bloody party streamers and then get two early DCs and a killer who tries hard.
I know killers aren't obligated to play nice in a game that is unfairly in their favor but if you as a killer want to play like that then I hope your next 100 games are all SWF bully teams because in my book that's what you deserve.
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Why doesn't the killer deserve to end a boring game quickly after Survivors ######### out?
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Maybe the killer just wants to move on and isn't interested in farming?
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Because survivors unfairly depip and lose all their items and their offerings are pretty much wasted. Someone who plays survivor would understand this. As killer you don't have to lose anything because you can farm the remaining survivors. They'd be more than happy to let you because I've done it every time this happens. In the end survivors and killer walk away with a lot of blood points and no one depips.
I'm not saying you have to play like that but I'm saying if you don't you're a punk who deserves SWF bully teams. I mean you don't have any ground to stand on arguing against SWF if that's how you treat people who play solo.
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The killer wont pip either it's a lose for everyone really
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This makes no sense. Not the killer's fault if survivors DC
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Nah, most killers used to do that all the time, but now it happens way too often and they just want to play a normal game for once, what better way then to just move everyone onto a new match? Blame the little crybabies that DC, the killer isnt to blame in that situation
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"Rule #378: If one or multiple survivors dc, the killer is obligated to farm with the remaining survivors."
"Rule #580: If you don't do what I want, you deserve to get bullied."
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Is it just me, or are there a ton of b8 threads coming up lately?
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The entitlement is strong with this one. Lol.
Just take the defeat, and move on. The killer is a killer. It's their job to kill you.
Sure a killer might decide to be nice, but you shouldn't expect it. Maybe they just want to kill you fast instead of spending a long time in a boring match farming.
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Easy to say this when you can just kill the last 2 and get a safety pip from it. If you get 2 DC's that early into the game and kill everyone, that's iri Gatekeeper and gold Devout. That means you need bronze in the other 2 categories to get a safety which is super easy to do even with 2 people.
Those survivors though, just depipped because other survivors left.
If killers really wanted to just move on after 2 DC's they would just DC themselves. Significantly faster than playing out the game and you don't get rewarded for basically doing nothing.
Of course you or any other killer would never agree that's what should be done, so the reasonable thing to do is farm at least a little bit with the survivors. Chase one, get a hook, let the other do a gen while you chase. Then let them come in and get a save, chase the guy that saved the other does a gens. Farm pallets. It doesn't take long, like 8 minutes and you walk away with your safety pip, a ton of BP, and you actually have some integrity and good sportsmanship.
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Doesnt matter if I play killer or survivor if game is 3v1 with 5 gens I want game to end as fast as possible.
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I'm afraid only a small part of these are actual b8.
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@Laakeri That's why BHVR Gave us the 'Leave Match' button.
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Killer DC -> punish killer
Survivor DC -> punish killer
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Meh, you and I have very different reactions to DC's.
I usually play in a two man, we have a general rule that if there is more than one DC, we go find the killer and give ourselves up. If the killer wants to murder us, it's all good, we feel bad that they had to deal with DC's and hopefully they learn not all survivors are whiny entitled crybabies. Plus we don't really want to try doing 5 gens between the two of us.
If the killer wants to farm, fair enough, we farm and after opening the gates we'll lead the killer down to the basement so they can get at least two death hooks. Neither of us cares much about BP.
Is our way the right way? Who knows, but its certainly better than expecting the killer to do things our way when they don't have to, and FAR better than wishing them crappy games because they didn't do what you wanted.
Made a few good killer friends along the way too.
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This. I hate farming and I don't wanna fool around for 10+ minutes because someone DC'd. I rather just kill everyone and move on.
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TBH, I've become so sick of survivors DC'ing over petty reasons like what killer I chose, what add-on's/perks I use, my tactics/mind-games/outplay moments, offerings, and whether or not i down them first that I've become numb to survivors salt and whining. Originally, I used to farm every time a DC or 2 occurred because I was just after BP, but when the DC epidemic went into full swing, I was so disgusted over their BS and unsportsmanlike conduct that my gears shifted to being a merciless punisher. If an Asshat DC's on your team, that's your problem not mine, and you should directly, and rightfully, blame them for your teams loss, not us! I just want to play the damn game, try to have fun, and move on to the next match. I stopped giving a damn about survivors "made up rules", and stopped respecting them the moment they proved how asinine and over entitled they are by DC'ing over petty reasons while mewling their defense: "it's not fun" cringe. If it's "not fun", stop playing and ruining the game for everyone else you pathetic little brats!
It's my belief that taking a firm stance against this crap, so that enough people from both sides will complain about the DC'ers, is the only way to get the devs to do something about it. Yeah, call me whatever you want, call me try-hard, sweaty, toxic, etc, but it's not my fault your teammates are putrid little turds to the community that throw the match in a heartbeat because... gasp... "They might lose!". Grow the [BAD WORD] up! This is a Multiplayer game, which doesn't, in any way, entitle anyone to win every match! We're all people pitting our earned skills, strategies, and builds against each-other, and most of the fun of a Multiplayer experience is adapting to the challenge of each individual match and learning from them to become better players. As it currently is however...It's been said before but I'll restate it: The Dedicated Servers and Disciplinary Committee can't come soon enough!
@Steve0333 You say we deserve to be "Bullied by SWF"? I say you don't understand how tired we all are of playing this game with the intention to have a fun and challenging experience, but end up having to put up with this BS so frequently that it's become impossible to give a damn anymore. I suggest you try Maining killer for a month, and dedicate yourself to making it to rank 1. Use whatever build you want (survivors never hold back so why should you?), and try as best you can to play the way you think Killers should be playing in favor of the survivors, and by all means, try to farm away when 1 or 2 DC's. Experience what it's like to be playing what's supposed to be the "power role" against a full SWF team on comms with meta builds and the best items/add-on's. Then come back and update us with your findings. I can wait.
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The number of times the first survivor I down disconnects is atrocious. I don't understand that. When that happens, if I'm not in the mood to farm, I'll usually just leave the match. And I've had survivors message me, annoyed that I did that, "We would've farmed with you!" But not everyone always wants to farm like that.
If there are BPS in play, I'll farm. The stupid thing is, it's usually the survivor who burned the BPS who disconnects, but hey, the rest of us profit.
If I'm playing survivor and someone DCs, I expect nothing from the killer. And if multiple people DC, I'll just give myself up rather than waste time. If they want to farm, awesome; if not, I completely understand and let's all just move on to a new match.
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OP, here's the problem with your little theory: there are practically no trials any more where survivors don't disconnect.
Killers are players as well and just want to play the ######### game they paid for. If you want to complain about anyone, complain about the survivors who disconnect.
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Cute, a person who believes in the non-existent "Survivor Rulebook"
Ya know, so many people get mad if they're so much as smacked into the injured state at the very beginning of the game (regardless of fair game or not) so how this thread started really isn't surprising. I read a few comments and I agree with the ones who say DCs are unfair for the killer too or why should killers play nice because you think the game is now unfair to you.
I main survivor and only recently started playing killer and I've seen how salty people can be. It's a 1v4 game, the DC screws over the killer too by ripping off their bloodpoints and pips they could possibly get, it screws survivors over by ripping them off of a possible win and possible pip. Why is it fair for them to get bullied just because they want to win too?
If YOU are allowed to do as survivors do and try to survive then killers are allowed to do as killers do and try to kill. If you hate unfair matches... there's nothing I can say except build a bridge and get over it. If you really wish bullying upon someone because of SOMEONE ELSE then maybe it's YOU who deserves the bullying?
Be nice about it, don't blame the killer blame the randoms you got stuck with. Cry me a river...
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Wow, there's a ton of crying in this thread. B8 successful, OP. You got people typing 8-paragraph manuscripts about how "entitled survivors are toxic" because they DC when people use ultra-rare addons and let it rip with ebony mori's lol
Man, instadown hatchets, infinite tier 3, full stalk gauges in 2.5 seconds, mapwide feral frenzy detection, silent decloaking, neverending heartbeats + constant red stains, instadown exhaustion-causing bottles, and more I'm forgetting sure are fun to play against.
Lol j/k =P infinite tier 3 is actually really fun, and so are most of those. Only really tired of iridescent head, coxcomb clapper, and prayer beads, and that isn't even pink. Also, it's weird how trapper has two interesting pink addons, and neither are broken or "toxic" ragefests on the forums. That's some clean design, my dudes
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Wow this is so ridiculous.
"I know killers aren't obligated to play nice in a game that is unfairly in their favor"
But you totally not behave like you feel they have to. The level of entitlement is just disgusting.
Edit: Oh my allies dced leaving me for assured death? ######### KILLERS
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Lmao here we go again with the "survivors handbook" rules.
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Personally, I farm or at least hang back for a couple gens so the remaining 2 get BP. As survivor, if I get 2 DCs right off the bat and a try hard killer, I try to work with the other survivor to stealth the crap out of that game just to annoy the jerk.
I mostly play killer and know what it is like, so I know how stupid easy and unrewarding that type of match is. I play survivor on the rare occasion where my wife wants to play, so I'm usually with her if this type of thing happens. So if the killer wants to be a jerk, so can we. I've forced many killers to concede those matches with either a DC or opening the gates.
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As a survivor main, I'd rather just get the trial over with. It was ruined by the DCer. The killer is not a jerk for wanting the same thing. They're not doing it out of malice, unlike you.
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Yeah especially during the great DC storm a few months ago where every few matches were filled with DCs. I simply couldn't let the survivors farm every match because I had been doing it for bloody the entire day
But yeah it's really up to the killer's view, I've been on the receiving end of a try-hard showing no mercy when we had a DC but he was also trying to get adapt (Though that's pointless as the DC killed your chances immediately)
But again you can't force another player to play how you want. It's up to each individual player to decide what they want to do with their time. Farming matches go on much longer then normal matches and the killer may not have much time left to play. I may be fine with farming and being nice to survivors because I respect everyone's time and fun in my lobbies and because it's what I do, what others do you have no control over.
Demanding players to do something that benefits you is exactly why a lot of people don't do it, so cool it with the rule book
Okay?
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I want to play this game, I don't want to play a farming simulator. Disconnecting just needs to be punished more harshly.
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When I play (rarely) killer, if someone disconnects, I simply reduce the pressure for that others survivors have a chance, they still enjoy, and the game has a minimum challenge for me.
Strangely by behaving like this, I rarely have chain disconnections (which would be legitimate)
The majority do not behave this way, because they consider that they lose the game if only one survivor succeeds to escape (lol). I'm sorry for not being a killer main, author.
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As a survivor main, I disagree (unless it's double BP weekend, the screw the killer lol)
But for real though, when two people DC early in a match and there's 4 or 5 gens, I literally run up to the killer and wave at them to kill me so we can all move on. Sometimes they oblige and sometimes they'll smack a gen and tell me to work and I take the mercy XD Either way, I don't blame them.
When double BP rolls around though, I start raging a little tho XD
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If TWO people disconnect early I honestly prefer if the killer just kills the remaining two. If anything I'm likely to either go for one last chase and suicide on hook when caught, or straight up spam lockers/vaults near a hook and point at it to do the same. If the last survivor wants to try to get hatch or something they can, but I have no interest in that.
With one DC there's SOME game left and I usually just try to play normally and get some points, with two of them there's no point.
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Why even stay in a game with 2 early DCs? Just as the killer is under no obligation to play nice, you are under no obligation to stay just to get killed. Just get out and move on the next game man.
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I cannot believe this is a legitimate thread.
No. Killer is not obligated to go easy on anyone. Sure it feels nice when a killer is more lenient but if survivors dc you want to punish the killer for doing their intended role and not them? What kind of mental gymnastics is that kind of thinking?
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Because being nice is something unknown in the dbd community.
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When I'm playing as killer and two DC I usually let the two remaining survivors win unless they are toxic after two hooks each one. When I play as survivorr and it happens I go towards the killer for being hooked and suicide, sometimes they become friendly, I like that ones.
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Sometimes it happens many times in succession that someone DCs, you can't pretend that killers should be nice at the 3rd match with DCs, it gets boring and they probably want to end it soon to get soon to a decent match.
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You really shouldnt worry about pips or rank. It really means nothing. Getting upset about bloodpoints is understandable, but not to a point where, a killer who wants the match over, should upset you. Just move on to the next match.
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Malice? I'm afraid you have a misconstrued sense of the word here. I'm going into the game to get bp and have fun. If there are DCs right off the bat, fun is out, so bp is all that's left. If you want to be sweaty and try to slug or camp/tunnel in a 2v1, I'm going to do all I can to survive and earn BP. No malice needed.
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I really don't. You said you were doing it, quote, "just to annoy the jerk". You also said - as if you were proud of this fact - that, quote, "I've forced many killers to concede those matches with either a DC or opening the gates".
You do what you do out of malice, according to your own words. Don't try to back out now.
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Haha. Yeah, if your being a jerk, so will I. I'm going to make it last as long as I can. I hit 5 totems, 3 chests, and get lots of boldness bp while in your TR. I also hit some gens here and there. I get to achieve my goal while also annoying the jerk who was try-Harding in a 2v1.
Keep in mind, I'm talking try hard behavior, not basic gameplay. If it's 2v1 in the beginning and you are slugging, tunneling or camping then that is excessive try hard activity. That is when I enter jerk mode. So don't go all self-righteous on me Orion. I've seen your posts over time and you are nobody to be passing judgment.
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Wanting to play a normal trial isn't being a jerk. That's literally what the vast majority of people bought this game for. Killers are players too, and they just want to move on ASAP. As a survivor main, I do too.
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Again, a normal trial is one thing. That is bit what this is about. As the title says, I'm referring to try-hard, sweaty play in a 2v1. It's a casual party game, not an league game with real rank implications. If you can8take the foot off the petal a bit and relax, you have issues. Most of the time, I'm on the killer side of things. If I see a player run up and just want to die, sure, I'll oblige and let them move on, but I'm not getting all sweaty and pushing to make sure I get that 2k in a 2v1. No need to because I'm not a jerk.
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Will you even safety with two DCs and two one hooks? I played along with a few teams during the event and I usually do it with DCs too and survivors get greedy and want you to waste time giving them all those points and then they want more with the gates. Which leads to them getting a single or double PIP while you barely safety a lot of the time. It's fully understandable why people don't want to waste time with that.
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I think we should must have AI as the killer. Since it is obvious damned if you do damned if you don't here. You depip either way might as well DESTROY them all. The salt you feel towards these killers is blatantly misdirected. I promise you they did not unplug the Ethernet cable in the back of their machine or press 'Leave Match' for them.
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What's the # for this survivor rule?
That rulebook is getting pretty big.
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#66247 Section B paragraph A subsection D Survivors pocketbook.
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From my experience, a majority of the players prefer to just end the game quickly. I totally understand their reasons.
I normally let people farm because for me killing the few who stayed is very unsatisfying. And yeah, I play solo survivor so I have some compassion for these players.
Just don't demonize players who want the game over. It's not their fault, it's the dev's for allowing it to continue. Once punishments for disconnects arrive, hopefully this won't be a huge issue anymore.
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The only real option if you dont want them to try in that scenario is to farm with the remaining survivors.
Personally I'd rather get into a proper game on either side than spend the rest of the time under no pressure as I would gain more points that way and have more fun.
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You are very likely to de pip if a survivor instantly DC's.
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