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Looping

Master
Master Member Posts: 10,200
in General Discussions

Just had a game where an optimal survivor was able to loop me for 5 gens straight, it was in the broken asylum loop and he had additional jungle gyms with perfect window placement around the ######### house.

Can someone please tell me what to do? I even stacked bloodlust 3 but was not possible to get him without breaking the pallet because the jungle gyms where to close to each other.

Please I am open for advice, after this game im insidious leatherface now waiting for some advice from you guys, oh and playing nurse is not a solution btw

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  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    Play Freddy. Use both dress add-ons, M&A and leave the survivor once he starts looping you. You´ll still be able to track him and can attack him, when he tries to heal himself or to wake up.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Tsulan said:
    Play Freddy. Use both dress add-ons, M&A and leave the survivor once he starts looping you. You´ll still be able to track him and can attack him, when he tries to heal himself or to wake up.

    I dont own freddy and I dont plan on giving a single cent to the devs anymore.....
    A good looper tries to get your attention, so he wont even try to escape from you. So while m&a stealth might be a tactic against usual survivors, it wont work against these looping gods (only heal under a pallet btw)

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    What dlcs do you have. Maybe we can start from there.

  • Envees
    Envees Member Posts: 370

    @Master said:
    Just had a game where an optimal survivor was able to loop me for 5 gens straight, it was in the broken asylum loop and he had additional jungle gyms with perfect window placement around the [BAD WORD] house.

    Can someone please tell me what to do? I even stacked bloodlust 3 but was not possible to get him without breaking the pallet because the jungle gyms where to close to each other.

    Please I am open for advice, after this game im insidious leatherface now waiting for some advice from you guys, oh and playing nurse is not a solution btw

    Depends on what killer you use. I am one of those that will, sometimes, chase those people till i get them just to make a point. They will get camped to death once i do catch them. And i will eventually get them. I have not been looped for 5 gens yet. The cost of chasing that looping surv is, sometimes, only one kill. Them. Sometimes you will get more than one very late in the game.

    Insidious is a waste of a perk, i think, if you use LF. He can camp using his chainsaw alone. If you keep it revved. That sound tends to either bring the wolfpack out of their hiding if they have the means to rescue in terror range with borrowed time or it will scare them off once they know you are there and are actively defending the hook. Survs hate campers with a passion. Some survs mistakenly believe that we are no skilled campers who cant get kills any other way and this is a big misconception that more often than not results in another one slugged right next to the hook.

    As far as the amount of pallets and loops its a matter of the RNjesus...RNG. Win some lose some. Just like with the placement of the gens. If you get lucky and three are very close together try to slap them off of them as that is an ideal placement for you. Them being so close together.

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    Play Freddy. Use both dress add-ons, M&A and leave the survivor once he starts looping you. You´ll still be able to track him and can attack him, when he tries to heal himself or to wake up.

    I dont own freddy and I dont plan on giving a single cent to the devs anymore.....
    A good looper tries to get your attention, so he wont even try to escape from you. So while m&a stealth might be a tactic against usual survivors, it wont work against these looping gods (only heal under a pallet btw)

    Save up shards for the clown he was basically built to counter pallet looping and infinite loops in houses, just throw a bottle where the pallet is when you start the loop and you should catch them with ease or notice that they leave the safety of that pallet in search for others,  bamboozle will work on the infinite window loops by blocking the window off after you go through it in chase 
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Tsulan said:
    What dlcs do you have. Maybe we can start from there.

    Everything except freddy and pig

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What dlcs do you have. Maybe we can start from there.

    Everything except freddy and pig

    Try Hag. She got buffed on the PTB.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What dlcs do you have. Maybe we can start from there.

    Everything except freddy and pig

    Try Hag. She got buffed on the PTB.

    Actually I played hag in that match, there was nothing I could have done..... they had flashlights too btw

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    Ohh...
  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited July 2018

    Now with marshmallows!

    Follow your nose, wherever the survivor goes!

  • Madhatter920
    Madhatter920 Member Posts: 13

    I feel your pain, man. It doesn't matter how smart you are or how good you are, unlimited sprinting means that a survivor can (with almost no effort) pallet-loop, window-loop, or jungle gym for 3-5 generators. Even if you play perfectly, the only way they are getting hit more than once before the game is over is if they make a mistake. If they never make a mistake, you will not be catching them. Everyone knows that the survivors are in full control of the game, not the killer. Yes, certain killers are better equipped to deal with looping, but I feel like looping just shouldn't be a thing. Survivors should have a stamina bar by default. If need be, I'd gladly pay a lot of money for a killer perk that makes it that way. It's so busted that playing killer isn't even fun. It's a chore.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @only1biggs said:

    @Master said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    If it is not possible to catch a single survivor, then there is sth wrong with the game

    So you ask for advice and then ignore it? YOU NEED TO LEARN TO PLAY BETTER :)

    Just switching the target to a weaker player doesnt solve the issue. What are you gonna do in a game where evreybody loops like this?

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @altruistic said:
    You allowed your pride to take over. You should've left him and chased someone else. If you 1. get into Blood Lust 3 and 2. Still fail to catch someone, you are the only person to blame. The Survivor was better than you.

    I was bloodlust 3 but if there are 2 jungle gyms next to each other and you didnt break the pallets, then there is no way to catch him, I tried long enough and Im pretty confident that I couldnt have done sth else than breaking the pallet finally in that situation

    Oh and btw, I killed everyone of the other scrubs after the gates have been opened because they sucked hard :wink:

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @only1biggs said:

    @Master said:

    @altruistic said:
    You allowed your pride to take over. You should've left him and chased someone else. If you 1. get into Blood Lust 3 and 2. Still fail to catch someone, you are the only person to blame. The Survivor was better than you.

    I was bloodlust 3 but if there are 2 jungle gyms next to each other and you didnt break the pallets, then there is no way to catch him, I tried long enough and Im pretty confident that I couldnt have done sth else than breaking the pallet finally in that situation

    Oh and btw, I killed everyone of the other scrubs after the gates have been opened because they sucked hard :wink:

    My god, you are so dumb. Imagine if you killed the other three "scrubs" before being looped for so long? Imagine hooking them and making the looper more exposed and giving you a better opportunity to kill him by using the others as bait. Imagine being a better killer.

    Oh and the games where, "everyone loops like this" are so rare it's laughable.

    You have been given the solution and yet you don't want to listen. You have also been told that if you can't catch someone with Tier 3 bloodlust for so long it's your own fault.

    Get a grip and get better.

    Seems like you are so dumb that you dont understand the purpose of the thread, just go and insult people in another thread please

  • Envees
    Envees Member Posts: 370

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    Problem with this theory is that if the others are just as good, or better, at looping you are back where you started at and no closer to achieving a hook. Might as well have stuck by chasing the one you were originally after.

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  • Eninya
    Eninya Member Posts: 1,256
    edited July 2018

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What dlcs do you have. Maybe we can start from there.

    Everything except freddy and pig

    Try Hag. She got buffed on the PTB.

    Actually I played hag in that match, there was nothing I could have done..... they had flashlights too btw

    Hag doesn't chase like other killers. You should only be pursuing chases off of a Phantasm Hit, or to burn up pallets without going far. She's slower than other killers, so longer chases aren't good for her, and not where her strength lies. Once your traps are out, you can initiate and try to herd people into them.

    She can get a lot of easy hits and sneak up on people with Monitor & Abuse after they reduced her Terror Radius to 24 meters baseline.

    Post edited by Eninya on
  • KillingInstinct
    KillingInstinct Member Posts: 272
    Jack11803 said:

    @Master said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    If it is not possible to catch a single survivor, then there is sth wrong with the game

    I mean, if with blood lust 3 you couldn’t catch him, you were doing something wrong. Also, regarding not being able to catch a guy; you are meant to and strong enough to catch someone of equal skill.

    That’s why people hate campers, because you can’t “not get caught” as that’s not how the game works, you WILL get caught if the killer wants your caught and is good enough. That’s why they get chances that are supposed to actually come into effect. But camping stops this. Anyway, if they are BETTER than you, and read you, or make a good juke, then that’s just them being better than you. If you like you said, got ######### RNG, and he expensed basically every pallet on the map, yes THAT IS A PROBLEM

    That isnnot true. If you finally caught them but he is in a 4 man swf group them 3 block will save him
  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @KillingInstinct said:
    Jack11803 said:

    @Master said:

     @only1biggs said:

    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    If it is not possible to catch a single survivor, then there is sth wrong with the game

    I mean, if with blood lust 3 you couldn’t catch him, you were doing something wrong. Also, regarding not being able to catch a guy; you are meant to and strong enough to catch someone of equal skill.

    That’s why people hate campers, because you can’t “not get caught” as that’s not how the game works, you WILL get caught if the killer wants your caught and is good enough. That’s why they get chances that are supposed to actually come into effect. But camping stops this. Anyway, if they are BETTER than you, and read you, or make a good juke, then that’s just them being better than you. If you like you said, got ######### RNG, and he expensed basically every pallet on the map, yes THAT IS A PROBLEM

    That's true

    Fixed

  • Envees
    Envees Member Posts: 370

    @only1biggs said:

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    Problem with this theory is that if the others are just as good, or better, at looping you are back where you started at and no closer to achieving a hook. Might as well have stuck by chasing the one you were originally after.

    As I mentioned...the times when 4 survivors are in your game and they are all able to loop optimally is rare.

    Gone past rank 15 much?

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604

    Yep

    4 gens in 3 minutes ruin active the whole time, only 1 common toolbox used no BNP
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh17g7TIhU0

    Loop P3 Doctor 5 minutes for 5 gens
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI7mVVIAJs0

    Loop Huntress for 5 gens in 3 minutes
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hB8pRZBPvI

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    Problem with this theory is that if the others are just as good, or better, at looping you are back where you started at and no closer to achieving a hook. Might as well have stuck by chasing the one you were originally after.

    As I mentioned...the times when 4 survivors are in your game and they are all able to loop optimally is rare.

    Gone past rank 15 much?

    All the time. Red ranks. Big hours.

    Are you able to make it to the toilet much, or do you just soil yourself as it's easier?

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Someissues said:
    Yep

    4 gens in 3 minutes ruin active the whole time, only 1 common toolbox used no BNP

    You just keep spamming the same videos like it's evidence of something other than terrible killers making mistakes against better survivors.

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604

    @only1biggs said:

    You just keep spamming the same videos like it's evidence of something other than terrible killers making mistakes against better survivors.

    While the killers may be bad true, it shows how fast the gen times are in this game even with Ruin active. A killer can only chase one survivor at a time, being a bad or good killer makes no difference if they do no attempt on saving said survivor

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Someissues said:

    @only1biggs said:

    You just keep spamming the same videos like it's evidence of something other than terrible killers making mistakes against better survivors.

    While the killers may be bad true, it shows how fast the gen times are in this game even with Ruin active. A killer can only chase one survivor at a time, being a bad or good killer makes no difference if they do no attempt on saving said survivor

    Actually, if you are a good killer, you can end chases quicker and then get people OFF GENS to help their team.

    Please, stop spamming nonsense.

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604
    edited July 2018

    @only1biggs said:
    Actually, if you are a good killer, you can end chases quicker and then get people OFF GENS to help their team.

    Please, stop spamming nonsense.

    You can't stop a good survivor, a good survivor will always be able to loop you for a good minute or 2, and this heavily depending on where they are found, the map and the juke spots, if they were found in the open sure you can get them in less than 40 seconds provided they don't have sprint burst back to juke spots

    When I play Nurse, the chase ends in less than 20 seconds, if i play Wraith Freddy, it can again go up to 1-3 minutes depending on the spot. Being Good killers or not has nothing to do with this, it's heavily dependent on the juke spot, sorry but **You are the one posting Nonsense **

    it depends on who the Killer is and the said spot

  • Mr_Jay_Stark
    Mr_Jay_Stark Member Posts: 539
    NEVER and I mean NEVER chase into the asylum that place is a death trap unless you’re trapper or hag and have trapped that place up don’t chase in there! Unless he’s your last person then go for it or all gens are done fine but cut the chase because not all survivors will make it to the asylum when you first catch them they’ll be on a different side of the map to be honest I usually give that gen up to the survivors 
  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Someissues said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Actually, if you are a good killer, you can end chases quicker and then get people OFF GENS to help their team.

    Please, stop spamming nonsense.

    You can't stop a good survivor, a good survivor will always be able to loop you for a good minute or 2, and this heavily depending on where they are found, the map and the juke spots, if they were found in the open sure you can get them in less than 40 seconds provided they don't have sprint burst back to juke spots

    When I play Nurse, the chase ends in less than 20 seconds, if i play Wraith Freddy, it can again go up to 1-3 minutes depending on the spot. Being Good killers or not has nothing to do with this, it's heavily dependent on the juke spot, sorry but **You are the one posting Nonsense **

    it depends on who the Killer is and the said spot

    Right, so leave the good survivor to his loops and infinite's and go chase someone else who isn't better than you. As a killer, you can make a choice as to what to do. A good killer with a brain will switch targets and as I and many others have mentioned, it is very rare to have 4 optimal survivors. There's always a weak link and that weak link must be found to influence the game in your favour.

    As a Nurse it doesn't matter because Nurse.

    Again, stop with your nonsense and get better.

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604

    You also made a stupid thread telling the Devs to remove Bloodlust without knowing it would turn many spots into infinite. You also says its fine since you are a Killer main, who's talking nonsense here?

    Other killers are not NURSE thats why the DEVS added bloodlust to other killers

    @only1biggs said:
    Bloodlust rewards bad killers with a speed boost. It needs to go. I say this as a "killer main". It's awful.

    I would like to suggest that it be changed to only affect Myers in Tier 1 of Evil Within and the Hag and to ONLY be
    Bloodlust Tier 1.

    @only1biggs said:
    Right, so leave the good survivor to his loops and infinite's and go chase someone else who isn't better than you. As a killer, you can make a choice as to what to do. A good killer with a brain will switch targets and as I and many others have mentioned, it is very rare to have 4 optimal survivors. There's always a weak link and that weak link must be found to influence the game in your favour.

    Again, stop with your nonsense and get better.

    Why should you leave a survivor just because he is in said spot, If i play Nurse i don't have to leave said spot can can get him down in less than 20 seconds, while other killers can't do this. It's not about being Nurse or not, it's that the game is unbalanced

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604
    edited July 2018

    If you are going to tell me to git gud, record yourself on gameplay where you catch a survivor in less than 30 seconds playing other Killers than Nurse and prove it to me.

    I can do the same with Nurse on catching a survivor in less than 20 seconds at High ranked, I dared you

    You are the one saying Git Gub in the first place for Killers not being Nurse, so Prove it to Me at High Ranked on Rank 1

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Someissues said:
    You also made a stupid thread telling the Devs to remove Bloodlust without knowing it would turn many spots into infinite. You also says its fine since you are a Killer main, who's talking nonsense here?

    Other killers are not NURSE thats why the DEVS added bloodlust to other killers

    @only1biggs said:
    Bloodlust rewards bad killers with a speed boost. It needs to go. I say this as a "killer main". It's awful.

    I would like to suggest that it be changed to only affect Myers in Tier 1 of Evil Within and the Hag and to ONLY be
    Bloodlust Tier 1.

    @only1biggs said:
    Right, so leave the good survivor to his loops and infinite's and go chase someone else who isn't better than you. As a killer, you can make a choice as to what to do. A good killer with a brain will switch targets and as I and many others have mentioned, it is very rare to have 4 optimal survivors. There's always a weak link and that weak link must be found to influence the game in your favour.

    Again, stop with your nonsense and get better.

    Why should you leave a survivor just because he is in said spot, If i play Nurse i don't have to leave said spot can can get him down in less than 20 seconds, while other killers can't do this. It's not about being Nurse or not, it's that the game is unbalanced

    Bloodlust rewards bad killers. You are implying you need it so you must be bad.

    I'm saying to leave the guy alone who knows how to run the tile you are talking about and who is probably better than you. Find a weaker player.

    Nurse ignores all game mechanics and so is BS. EVERYONE knows this. Except you apparently.

    I don't need to prove anything as there are plenty of videos out there already of good killers making better choices than what you seem to do. I wouldn't want to embarrass you further. Go check out the likes of Zubat, Scott Jund, OhTofu et al... If they see a good survivor about to run to a bad tile for killers, they leave them and find a weaker survivor. From here they can get others around the hooked pleb and snowball games and control the pressure.

    You are bad. "GIT GUB". Whatever that means.

    Stop posting nonsense.

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604
    edited July 2018

    @only1biggs said:
    Bloodlust rewards bad killers. You are implying you need it so you must be bad.

    I'm saying to leave the guy alone who knows how to run the tile you are talking about and who is probably better than you. Find a weaker player.

    Nurse ignores all game mechanics and so is BS. EVERYONE knows this. Except you apparently.

    I don't need to prove anything as there are plenty of videos out there already of good killers making better choices than what you seem to do. I wouldn't want to embarrass you further. Go check out the likes of Zubat, Scott Jund, OhTofu et al... If they see a good survivor about to run to a bad tile for killers, they leave them and find a weaker survivor. From here they can get others around the hooked pleb and snowball games and control the pressure.

    You are bad. "GIT GUB". Whatever that means.

    Look at you, see how you are afraid to take up the challenge and make up a bunch of BS excuse. Nurse is BS? So if Nurse is fine and all that means all Killers are fine too and they needed the Nerf? your mentality on that truly shows that you are in Denial, you're pathetic, admit it already

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Mr_Jay_Stark said:
    NEVER and I mean NEVER chase into the asylum that place is a death trap unless you’re trapper or hag and have trapped that place up don’t chase in there! Unless he’s your last person then go for it or all gens are done fine but cut the chase because not all survivors will make it to the asylum when you first catch them they’ll be on a different side of the map to be honest I usually give that gen up to the survivors 

    That's making the right choice. GG :)

  • ThePloopz
    ThePloopz Member Posts: 1,010
    Someissues said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Bloodlust rewards bad killers. You are implying you need it so you must be bad.

    I'm saying to leave the guy alone who knows how to run the tile you are talking about and who is probably better than you. Find a weaker player.

    Nurse ignores all game mechanics and so is BS. EVERYONE knows this. Except you apparently.

    I don't need to prove anything as there are plenty of videos out there already of good killers making better choices than what you seem to do. I wouldn't want to embarrass you further. Go check out the likes of Zubat, Scott Jund, OhTofu et al... If they see a good survivor about to run to a bad tile for killers, they leave them and find a weaker survivor. From here they can get others around the hooked pleb and snowball games and control the pressure.

    You are bad. "GIT GUB". Whatever that means.

    Look at you, see how you are afraid to take up the challenge and make up a bunch of BS excuse. Nurse is BS? So if Nurse is fine and all that means all Killers are fine too and they needed the Nerf? your mentality on that truly shows that you are in Denial, you're pathetic, admit it already

    He’s not the only who thinks nurse is OP/BS
  • Envees
    Envees Member Posts: 370

    @only1biggs said:

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    Problem with this theory is that if the others are just as good, or better, at looping you are back where you started at and no closer to achieving a hook. Might as well have stuck by chasing the one you were originally after.

    As I mentioned...the times when 4 survivors are in your game and they are all able to loop optimally is rare.

    Gone past rank 15 much?

    All the time. Red ranks. Big hours.

    Are you able to make it to the toilet much, or do you just soil yourself as it's easier?

    What is your problem? It was a simple question. Cos if you have gone past rank 15 then you should know that the people that are able to loop very well are not in the minority anymore.

    But go ahead and be snotty. Need a tissue?

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604
    edited July 2018

    @only1biggs said:

    Wow you're stupid. Nurse is fine and other killers are fine? What? Can you even read?
    The Nurse is BS because she ignores all chase mechanics. She just rofl stomps (in the right hands).

    Stop posting nonsense. Get better.

    Nope your the stupid one, you are saying Nurse is BS, and hence still asking for remove Bloodlust knowing Nurse doesn't need Bloodlust

    so you are asking to Nerf all other unviable Killers when Nurse stay as is

    Your the one that need to Git Gud, nurse is the hardest killer to play stupid

    @Envees said:

    What is your problem? It was a simple question. Cos if you have gone past rank 15 then you should know that the people that are able to loop very well are not in the minority anymore.

    But go ahead and be snotty. Need a tissue?

    He's a biased troll and calls himself a Killer main

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604
    edited July 2018

    @ThePloopz said:
    He’s not the only who thinks nurse is OP/BS

    He thinks Nurse is OP/ BS and still wanted Bloodlust to get removed,TLDR nerfing other Killers

    Nurse is unaffected by this since Nurse does not need bloodlust

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:

    @Envees said:

    @only1biggs said:
    Don't keep chasing him. You should have realised this after 30 seconds. Just find someone else, and kill the guy you were chasing later when he's more vulnerable. Or, do something different than just following him blindly.

    Problem with this theory is that if the others are just as good, or better, at looping you are back where you started at and no closer to achieving a hook. Might as well have stuck by chasing the one you were originally after.

    As I mentioned...the times when 4 survivors are in your game and they are all able to loop optimally is rare.

    Gone past rank 15 much?

    All the time. Red ranks. Big hours.

    Are you able to make it to the toilet much, or do you just soil yourself as it's easier?

    What is your problem? It was a simple question. Cos if you have gone past rank 15 then you should know that the people that are able to loop very well are not in the minority anymore.

    But go ahead and be snotty. Need a tissue?

    No problem here..you posted the initial "snotty" comment if you look through the quotes here.

    I simply mocked your question with another, inferring that you struggle to make it to the toilet as your question was so stupid.

    And the people that are able to loop properly are in the minority. What you said isn't true.