Leatherface Needs Immediate Compensation

Leatherbilly

Leatherface has one important statistic and one alone, and that is his rev speed.

If he gets anything less than full Tinkerer by default, the freed up perk slot he receives is irrelevant because his power will fail to function, and whatever perk he equips instead cannot make his power functional.

Reasons rev speed is so important:

• Breaks pallets faster
• Hits survivors before they get to windows
• Hits survivors before they get to pallets
• Hits survivors before they get to a large, loopable structure that he can't chase around because he'll Tantrum
• Faster movement speeds (spends less time in his slowed down revving state)

IronWolf115

@Leatherbilly said:
Leatherface has one important statistic and one alone, and that is his rev speed.

If he gets anything less than full Tinkerer by default, the freed up perk slot he receives is irrelevant because his power will fail to function, and whatever perk he equips instead cannot make his power functional.

Reasons rev speed is so important:

• Breaks pallets faster
• Hits survivors before they get to windows
• Hits survivors before they get to pallets
• Hits survivors before they get to a large, loopable structure that he can't chase around because he'll Tantrum
• Faster movement speeds (spends less time in his slowed down revving state)

Agree. Recently been playing LF with Carburetor and Primer and I have to say it is a real help to him. It's bad though that he relies on them

Onehouse

Let's have a tiny bit more of mechanical realism. The fact that Leatherface's chainsaw is presented as a already powered up and running, commercially available unit should indicate a Slightly or Moderately faster charge up in comparison to Hillbilly's cold starting, custom built chainsaw.

IronWolf115

@Onehouse said:
Let's have a tiny bit more of mechanical realism. The fact that Leatherface's chainsaw is presented as a already powered up and running, commercially available unit should indicate a Slightly or Moderately faster charge up in comparison to Hillbilly's cold starting, custom built chainsaw.

God I never actually thought of that lol

Master

@Leatherbilly said:
Leatherface has one important statistic and one alone, and that is his rev speed.

If he gets anything less than full Tinkerer by default, the freed up perk slot he receives is irrelevant because his power will fail to function, and whatever perk he equips instead cannot make his power functional.

Reasons rev speed is so important:

• Breaks pallets faster
• Hits survivors before they get to windows
• Hits survivors before they get to pallets
• Hits survivors before they get to a large, loopable structure that he can't chase around because he'll Tantrum
• Faster movement speeds (spends less time in his slowed down revving state)

If we take the huntress changes as a benchmark, then his addons will even be nerfed

Leatherbilly

@Master said:

@Leatherbilly said:
Leatherface has one important statistic and one alone, and that is his rev speed.

If he gets anything less than full Tinkerer by default, the freed up perk slot he receives is irrelevant because his power will fail to function, and whatever perk he equips instead cannot make his power functional.

Reasons rev speed is so important:

• Breaks pallets faster
• Hits survivors before they get to windows
• Hits survivors before they get to pallets
• Hits survivors before they get to a large, loopable structure that he can't chase around because he'll Tantrum
• Faster movement speeds (spends less time in his slowed down revving state)

If we take the huntress changes as a benchmark, then his addons will even be nerfed

Please refrain from giving BHVR any ideas, thank you.

Someissues

He needed buffs the devs however won't do that until next year due to their schedule

He also need ultra rare addons and base buffs

IronWolf115

@Someissues said:
He needed buffs the devs however won't do that until next year due to their schedule

He also need ultra rare addons and base buffs

If this actually turns out to be true then I am going to be an IMMENSLY disappointed LF main.

IronWolf115

@Master said:

@Leatherbilly said:
Leatherface has one important statistic and one alone, and that is his rev speed.

If he gets anything less than full Tinkerer by default, the freed up perk slot he receives is irrelevant because his power will fail to function, and whatever perk he equips instead cannot make his power functional.

Reasons rev speed is so important:

• Breaks pallets faster
• Hits survivors before they get to windows
• Hits survivors before they get to pallets
• Hits survivors before they get to a large, loopable structure that he can't chase around because he'll Tantrum
• Faster movement speeds (spends less time in his slowed down revving state)

If we take the huntress changes as a benchmark, then his addons will even be nerfed

I am still confused as to who at BHVR thought nerfing the Huntress was a clever idea

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Someissues

@IronWolf115 said:
If this actually turns out to be true then I am going to be an IMMENSLY disappointed LF main.

It took the devs almost 2 years just to buff Trapper, on dev stream they said they are never going to buff him since he's doing well in Rank 1 and is the killer with the most 4K, not until the meta shifted and Nurse became N.1

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IronWolf115

I am still extremely depressed that the devs don't even mention LF when they talk about killer buffs

Someissues

@IronWolf115 said:
I am still extremely depressed that the devs don't even mention LF when they talk about killer buffs

Yea it's sad, alot of Killers have issues, it doesn't need to take 6 months or so just to buff 1/2 Killers, there can be minor buffs in place before fully rework them

they probably still think leatherface is top 3 killer from statistics at Rank 1

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powerbats

Now now, wait your damn turn, let Trapper get his buffs 1st then Hag and Freddy. After that nerf Nurse down to mere inhuman status and then fix Leatherface.

ShadyKillings

@Someissues said:

@IronWolf115 said:
I am still extremely depressed that the devs don't even mention LF when they talk about killer buffs

Yea it's sad, alot of Killers have issues, it doesn't need to take 6 months or so just to buff 1/2 Killers, there can be minor buffs in place before fully rework them

they probably still think leatherface is top 3 killer from statistics at Rank 1

In all fairness id say things are relatively ok at the moment killers don't need much neither do survivors saying this as someone who plays both sides decently especially someone who's been playing the hag before the buffs that are about to come thru. even as someone who mains the "worst" killer in the game at the moment second only to freddy i consistently get 2-4 k's and very rarely be it because of totem RNG or the map being too large get nothing i don't think leather face needs a buff honestly the chainsaw is an insta-down that provides movement speed and the camping insidious build being another or just his BBQC Franklins giving him an edge hes been doing fine as is he doesn't need to be top tier to be a good killer, on the other hand huntress i could see the nerfs being necessary considering that she just corrals you into a pallet or window aiming for the timing it takes for survivors to take action it wont affect anything much aside from the wind up time giving breathing room to survivors which was needed, im not gonna speak about every game because you have to take the games on a play by play basis and peoples play styles are different but honestly things aren't too bad right now we get movement speed for free in chase have more then one way to close the game or delay it and i'm not talking just totems but perks in general not to mention moris and powers that give us a much better edge if you're going to tell me about SWF groups the answer is simple dodge why are you putting yourself at a disadvantage for no reason unless your deliberately want a more difficult game, the only killers in need of some actual love are Wraith and freddy seeing as to how hag and trapper are about to be buffed they should be moving up a tier. the only advantages survivors have honestly is honestly exhaust perks which are being nerfed in the next week and d-strike which honestly is once per game bring enduring or just get it out of the way early and tunnel if you have to they brought D-strike that's their problem. leather face is fine huntress will be fine even after the nerf's the only killers who need love now are Wraith, Freddy, and maybe just a little bit the Pig no one else is gonna need much, i don't see the point in over complicating things by complaining every time a top tier killer is nerfed and a mid tier killer isn't buffed.

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Leatherbilly

@powerbats said:
Now now, wait your damn turn, let Trapper get his buffs 1st then Hag and Freddy. After that nerf Nurse down to mere inhuman status and then fix Leatherface.

It would take nearly no time nor resources to deal with Leatherface's problems, Freddy requires an entire rework of his power.

Freudentrauma

@Leatherbilly said:
It would take nearly no time nor resources to deal with Leatherface's problems, Freddy requires an entire rework of his power.

Thing is, that I assume that they would want to rework his basekit together with his AddOns, considering they want to bring all killers into the 4-5-5-4-2 like they did with Trapper.
I assume they would like to handle him together with Hillbilly, considering they share AddOns. I just hope they reconsider some stuff and help to make them more different.

Leatherbilly

@Freudentrauma said:

@Leatherbilly said:
It would take nearly no time nor resources to deal with Leatherface's problems, Freddy requires an entire rework of his power.

Thing is, that I assume that they would want to rework his basekit together with his AddOns, considering they want to bring all killers into the 4-5-5-4-2 like they did with Trapper.
I assume they would like to handle him together with Hillbilly, considering they share AddOns. I just hope they reconsider some stuff and help to make them more different.

It would be trivial to increase his movement speed while swinging or while revving.

IronWolf115

@ShadyKillings said:

@Someissues said:

@IronWolf115 said:
I am still extremely depressed that the devs don't even mention LF when they talk about killer buffs

Yea it's sad, alot of Killers have issues, it doesn't need to take 6 months or so just to buff 1/2 Killers, there can be minor buffs in place before fully rework them

they probably still think leatherface is top 3 killer from statistics at Rank 1

In all fairness id say things are relatively ok at the moment killers don't need much neither do survivors saying this as someone who plays both sides decently especially someone who's been playing the hag before the buffs that are about to come thru. even as someone who mains the "worst" killer in the game at the moment second only to freddy i consistently get 2-4 k's and very rarely be it because of totem RNG or the map being too large get nothing i don't think leather face needs a buff honestly the chainsaw is an insta-down that provides movement speed and the camping insidious build being another or just his BBQC Franklins giving him an edge hes been doing fine as is he doesn't need to be top tier to be a good killer, on the other hand huntress i could see the nerfs being necessary considering that she just corrals you into a pallet or window aiming for the timing it takes for survivors to take action it wont affect anything much aside from the wind up time giving breathing room to survivors which was needed, im not gonna speak about every game because you have to take the games on a play by play basis and peoples play styles are different but honestly things aren't too bad right now we get movement speed for free in chase have more then one way to close the game or delay it and i'm not talking just totems but perks in general not to mention moris and powers that give us a much better edge if you're going to tell me about SWF groups the answer is simple dodge why are you putting yourself at a disadvantage for no reason unless your deliberately want a more difficult game, the only killers in need of some actual love are Wraith and freddy seeing as to how hag and trapper are about to be buffed they should be moving up a tier. the only advantages survivors have honestly is honestly exhaust perks which are being nerfed in the next week and d-strike which honestly is once per game bring enduring or just get it out of the way early and tunnel if you have to they brought D-strike that's their problem. leather face is fine huntress will be fine even after the nerf's the only killers who need love now are Wraith, Freddy, and maybe just a little bit the Pig no one else is gonna need much, i don't see the point in over complicating things by complaining every time a top tier killer is nerfed and a mid tier killer isn't buffed.

OK, so there are problems with this. First of all just because LF has an inst-down attack does not make him automatically a good killer. The issue with LF is how responsive his ability is, which right now, it is very unresponsive. It is slow, clunky, unreliable and has far more downsides to the upsides. BBQ and franklins are perks that can be given to other killers, so you don't need to play LF to use them. The movement speed gains of the chainsaw are abyssmal, he can barely keep up with survivors let alone actually catch them with it. And finally the Insidious LF build is his ONLY viable build and..... it really sucks. It forces you to just hardcore camp which, beleive it or not, most LF players don't want to do.

Next, Huntress is taking a BIG hiot from these nerfs they are giving her. Huntress without wind up time actually feels very slow and weird to use, plus she already has some huge downsides to her ( Huge terror radius, slower movement speed etc ) so she is in no need of a nerf at all, in fact in some instances you could argue for a buff.

Finally, the Hag changes are good, we agree on that, but Trappers buffs are really bad and barely help him at all. They keep him as an add-on reliant killer ( much like Leatherface ) so he is still in need of buffs.

IronWolf115

Can I just add on here that they should also add a little indicator to let you know when the saw is fully charged. The frustration I have felt from thinking i'm good to go just to find out im not and then I have to rev the saw again is unbelievable.

Doom_Punk

It took 2 years to finally see some real buffs so while yeah, I agree with you and I want LF to finally not be a trash ass Killer, I would never get my hopes up.

Someissues

First thing firs they got to buff his addons, it's really bad like seriously
https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/7urzsq/i_compared_leatherface_chainsaw_speed_withwithout/

someone made a thread and did all the tests, not much difference, charge time is the only one worth using right now