"But Ebony Moris are rare!"
Just got in a game with a Leatherface that said he had 21 of them and he was happy when he got 3 DCs after his first mori(me). Oh and he was literally crab walking while going from place to place, lol.
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I have over 100 ebony moris spread out over my killers. they are pretty rare but you can save them up forever so :/
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Just because they're rare doesn't mean you can't stockpile them. People do the same with precious metals, except these are just tokens for telling four people at a time that you're a coward.
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@FishFry247 This is mainly just to counter the arguments of people saying that moris are rare so they're fine. They're not fine and they're not rare when people have that many stocked up. I've heard of people having 50+ on one character, and seeing 3 on one bloodweb.
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Minus the coward part :)
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Well intill things like insta heals are fixed and very good swf's they need to be in
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@FishFry247 Insta heals are countered by insta downs. They're fine as far as items go, they also use up the med-kit. Moris are uncounterable and do not counter anything, except for the ability to play the game.
@ElusivePukka If you can stockpile them, then are they REALLY rare? Most things that are considered rare have like a 1%(or less) drop chance in games.
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No, they aren't counter-able if you are what the majority killers are, Which is M1 killers. Thats like saying mori's a counter-able by not going down lol
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To play devils advocate... Leatherface doesn't have any pink add-ons so when it's time for pinks to spawn on bloodwebs there is no other option but those mori's. This happens with all the killers that don't really have pinks (which is why their add-on reworks are so important).
I personally have well over 50 on my Dr. because I leveled him during the event where there the mystery boxes were I believe 3k BPs so I got a tooooon. But in that same event survivors were able to horde syringes.
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Mori's are indeed BS.
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I mean, some people have 200 coxcomb clappers on their wraith. Doesnt mean it's not rare.
If someone has been saving since they could find them, theyll have a lot, of rare offerings.
Seeing 3 on one blood web I'll call bullshit all day without a pic. Even then I'd say its photoshopped.
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Well actually they are. If I go around with my Santa Claus build (which uses Plunderer's) i will get 1 purple or pink key in every maybe 6 games. If my teammates are busy opening chests (and they always are) the rate goes down further.
Of course, that hasn't stopped me from stockpiling them either from Bloodwebs. Or from chests for that matter. A good bunch of the keys I stockpiled came from chests in game.
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Just a general rule: rarity does not make anything "legit". Imagine old BNP would still exist, but much more rare. Is it fair to use just because it's rare? No, ofc not.
Rarity should never be a measurement for balance. The existence itself is and should be the only measurement for balance.
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How often do you run into moris? Especially momento? I hardly ever run into them. Green sometimes, but hardly ever a pink one.
As a killer i dont use them except for bloodpoint objectives or if ive had like 5 games in a row of no kills and tea bagging and i want to get out some frustration lol.
I do think they should be changed to only be allowed on final hook with yellow being base ability no matter what hook.
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just curious, what is the Santa Claus build? cause that sounds joyful.
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Oh look survivors complaining about more things.
If you played killer for more than a few matches a day, you'd realize that killers have almost zero control over the match in Purple or Red ranks. Calling for nerfs on numerous perks and numerous killers, numerous items, just shows you got your ass killed and got salty and need to get better. I'm a damn good killer but against a coordinated Red rank team I can get legitimately bullied and there's not much you can do. Here's why...
If survivors are constantly stuck on gens, refusing to heal, refusing to cleanse, refusing to look in chest, and do gens instead, let their team mates hang an extra 30 seconds, and do gens instead, and can loop decently, and pretty much never stop doing gens, you really can't do much, no matter how much people say "just pressure more."
So whenever I see survivors constantly complaining it's just laughable. Survivors have so many second chance perks, and the only one killers have, NOED, is also constantly bitched about.
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Fr, I have over 200 purple flashlights and they are rare
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I find 1-2 ebony’s in every bloodweb and 1-3 insta heals in every web, they aren’t rare.
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Well of course that's not true.
They're ULTRA Rare!
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Okay? But ebony moris do kind of break the game, especially against solo survivors.
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So do instaheals and brand new parts. You probably don't think so as a survivor, but as a killer, a couple of gens popping super early or somebody from downed state suddenly sprinting around can basically lose the entire match for you.
Not to mention if that same survivor that just got instahealed is also running the typical Dead Hard, DS, Balanced Landing. Borrowed Time build. 3 of those perks are second chances by the way...
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They are fine, little more than a resource for players to use or stockpile. As a survivor I see no reason to complain about them, either your doing well as a survivor resulting in it never affecting you or you get caught by the killer outplaying you/your own mistake. Out playing a good killer with a mori is a test of skill and an incentive to treat killers with caution not taunts.
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Moris in the current state are ######### garbage for the game. Every single time i am at red/purple ranks a ######### brings one and everyone depips, while he gets a black pip
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@csandman1977 Quite a bit. There's usually either a green or pink mori every few games in my experience.
@Sairek I dunno why people compare keys to moris. They're entirely different as the key still requires you to do as much of your objective as you would have had to do normally. The only time a key is any different than normal gameplay is if people die, and you know where it is. I rarely see people exiting through hatch. I see moris all the time.
@FiftyCalReaper Wow, that's funny, considering I actually played more killer last season(to level them up obviously, and I am playing more survivor this season(to get out of hell and level them up). Maybe if you'd stop prejudging people and read up you'd realize I dislike balance in general. Moris are not balanced. You could argue a LOT of things in this game are unbalanced, but insta heals are nothing compared to a mori, and have a legitimate counter(1 shots). There's nothing more frustrating than trying to get out of hell(low ranks as solo survivor) and being hit with a depip simulator. In short, get your head out of the sand and realize that imbalance is a bad thing, and moris are nowhere near balanced. Before thinking Moris are fine, imagine a survivor offering where, if survivors did one generator, the hatch appeared and opened and they could all escape through it. This is what the survivor option of a mori would be. If you think that is imbalanced, then obviously moris are imbalanced. I don't want to see either, and I have suggested alternatives to moris(that were more fun for everyone even), but people rarely listen.
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its not about them being rare, but them being the ultra rare quality.
ultra rares = game changers
and they are gamechangers alright.
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I would be fine with ebony moris if there was a gen requirement (say 3 or 4 gens finished before being able to use). But really ebony moris probably shouldn't be a thing.
Ivory should be base kit under the condition that each survivor has been hooked at least once.
Cypress is a wasted offering, but not at all broken.
Keys are fine. If they wanted to make them more rare so be it.
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So what, they are supposed to be powerfull and make killer feel really OP. Survivors have powefull stuff too, a lot of it actually. Whenever anyone faces 4 man SWF with 4 instaheals it's not fun especially when you play M1 killer at the same time. Or when they take 4 Engineer's toolboxes with addons and rush gens like crazy with them.
All of these addons/items/offering are designed to make you feel more powerfull and make other side feel weak compared to you unless they run the same broken sruff like you. But not a single addons/items/offering is as broken as it was back in a day.
They are really strong yes but if you just nerf everything you'll also take away all variety from the game. If something goes overboard devs will adjust it and since they aren't nerfing anything right now it seems they consider moris and all other strong addons/items/offering fine.
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The problem with Ebony moris is that they're the only UR offering, so their chances to appear is not diluted by other offerings (which happens with the other two moris). At P3 I find them quite often, if I didn't purposefully avoid them I would have tons of them.
You know, people aren't stuck with one thing to complain about. You can complain about moris AND insta-heals. Mindblowing eh?
Also BNPs are not something to complain about anymore after their massive nerf.
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Survivors wait longer to get lobbies and don't want to wait 10 minutes to get mori'd in 3 minutes.
At least give some sort of bloodpoint compensation.
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Yep super rare.
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Moris have only been made to eradicate Blendettes.
Save them. You'll use them on the proper time.
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I like to use Moris for people who dont ready up.
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@Atrushan88 Moris have a counter too. It's called don't get hit twice, hooked, unhooked, then hit twice again. Most survivor matches I play, I don't end up hooked, or I end up hooked once. Yes every now and then I get hooked 2 or 3 times but most times, not. You act like the killer doesn't actually have to chase your ass down and smack you around a bit. It's NOTHING like your comparison which is a ridiculous false equivalency if I've ever seen one.
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"Don't get tunneled". Yeah. Looks like a nice counter. Thank you, very cool.
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Idk I think I get one AT LEAST every other bloodweb. The “rarity” thing doesn’t seem right. In comparison of ultra-rares, Ebony Mori’s are way more common in my killer bloodwebs than instaheals are on my survivors bloodwebs.
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Not where I am.
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Borrowed Time, D-Strike, Dead Hard. Pick one of many second chance perks that survivors get and stop complaining.
Besides what are you even talking about? If you get tunneled WITHOUT a mori you're screwed. If you get tunneled you get tunneled. But I'm sorry, I forgot. You're a survivor main, you're supposed to win every match and never get sacrificed.
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I see more ebony mori's then ivory's in my bloodweb
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Maybe not everyone wants to run the meta build. And as someone who kills and survives almost equally, I'd rather not everyone feel like they need to run those perks to have a good game.
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Brand new part OP LOL
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And as for the actual thread insta heals need nerfed on surv side ebonies need nerfed on killer side a lot of killer add-ons need tuned down as well imo. They've already tuned down most survivor add-ons and items which is why I didn't mention the nerfing of survivor items and add-ons other than insta heals which need nerfed.
Edit: A way they could also easily disable all the salt when playing against an overpowered item/offering on both sides is too give everyone extra blood points and turn off depipping
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A Streamer has over 1K Ebony Moris on his Billy
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I tend to run into moris more often then Puddings and especially Steamers. I usually have anywhere from 5 to over 10 moris on my characters. I would have more but I generally bypass the Moris as much as I can to avoid having to spend the extra few thousand BP on something I don't use
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I'm not calling BNPs OP. Just like Ebony Mori's aren't OP. I was showing an equivalency.
Besides, BNPs aren't OP but do you know what is? 3 or 4 Survivors running Engineer's toolboxes with good add ons. How do you counter that as a killer? Getting hooks won't keep all those gens from popping in those circumstances. No amount of pressure will do.
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You know what dude? I absolutely ######### agree with you. I hate how stale the meta is, and as a killer I hate seeing the same 4 or 5 perks on all survivors. That's why as a survivor myself, I don't run any of those. I have Lithe, Alert, Spine Chill and still survive most matches. I wish we saw more diversity in perk builds.
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This is due to the rarity issue. I've noticed I get roughly 1 ultra rare every blood web on my Spirit so i end up commonly getting either mother daughter ring or ebony mori. Where both Ivory and Cypress have to deal with being rare and uncommon.
Small sample size
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@FiftyCalReaper Okay, fine, 2 gens. Yes, 2 gens sounds like very little, but once he moris one person, he snowballs out of control because there's one less person on gens. Killer has to down each person one time, and hit them one more time(because every time someone has a mori they've got their tunnel vision on that hooked person). As I said, the Leatherface even was CRABWALKING(in case you don't understand what that means, he was facing me the entire time he was going from place to place, moving sideways waiting for me to be unhooked). It may take longer for a killer to use his mori, but he is taking off at least 4 hooks and removing their ability to get off/be helped off. So he's taking off OVER one third of his requirements. 2 gens is 1.25 of a survivor's requirements, which is pretty much equal.
Your counter is don't get hit 3 times, out of a potential 6 with 3 extra chances to get off, depending on how lucky you are/your teammates having flashlights. Sorry to break it to you but you're eventually gonna get downed regardless. Chases end at some point, you're only DELAYING the killer, not escaping him, unless you manage a Quick and Quiet juke. And there's not always a good pallet around when you're on a gen. Sometimes, that gen is out in the corner with one pallet that isn't even very good, and those are generally the gens you want to do the fastest.
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And old MoMhad a counter too... hit again. And it was nerfed to the ground
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Moris honestly just exist to give Killers an easier time with Survivors, at the cost of less points and game-play of course.
It doesn't really matter if Moris were removed from the game or not... I think they only exist for what I said above, and to give each killer an animation when killing a Survivor.
As far as i'm concerned, moris are basically worthless.
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@FireHazard That's mainly my point. They're bad, but it doesn't stop killers from using them, and it doesn't stop me from seeing them quite often, and it's really unbalanced.
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It really doesn't matter if they exist tbh, it just shows a Killers skill if that's their only resort to kill certain Survivors they don't like.
Or it just shows they're too lazy and wanna have a short match. OR its just to have a bit of fun. Either way, weather its removed or not its ultimately something that won't make a difference to how you regularly make your rounds as a Killer in any rank.
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