Hag nerf after buff...
I was thinking of a nerf... people have said - add a way to scratch out her traps... I think this can harm her against co-ordinated SWFs though... I think the nerf should be - if the person hooked presses the attempt to unhook key - this activates any trap placed under the hook... struggle does that automatically. Also no points are awarded to the hag for her traps being popped in this situation (to prevent farming while camping)... survivors have a very good degree of intel that she's just camping if they keep trying to put traps down.
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Nope. Terrible idea and It's not even necessary. Are you aware of the "CTRL" button on your keyboard?
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@zacmangaming said:
Nope. Terrible idea and It's not even necessary. Are you aware of the "CTRL" button on your keyboard?I already 4k with hag 90% of the time on live at red ranks... the change only really effects survivors who don't know how to counter her - which you've pointed out how that's done if the hag doesn't camp/patrol the hook... if you're a good hag why would you care about this change knowing survivors can just crouch the hook? You're not supposed to put traps directly under the hook against the best survivors as it is but rather try to get them to trigger one nearby.
There's no good way to counter the new hag because she's effective at hooking survivors and effective at camping... once someone's hooked it's gg. With the change to make her a better chaser... her camping effective status needs to go down a notch.
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The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.
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@MrChills said:
The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.Imo it's stronger than 5 blink nurse... but it's an ultra-rare add-on and you basically need grandma's heart too... I think it'd just be cool to keep mint-rag the way it is and just as a wow factor... I mean it does cost a ultra-rare and very rare add-on to do... killers need some way to get that "mori 4 survivors" achievement.
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@MrChills said:
The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.Imo it's stronger than 5 blink nurse... but it's an ultra-rare add-on and you basically need grandma's heart too... I think it'd just be cool to keep mint-rag the way it is and just as a wow factor... I mean it does cost a ultra-rare and very rare add-on to do... killers need some way to get that "mori 4 survivors" achievement.
A BNP costs an ultra rare, and does 20 seconds of a gen in 5, but only if you hit great checks. 25%... Slow Clap
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@Jack11803 said:
@dont_ask_me_again said:
@MrChills said:
The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.Imo it's stronger than 5 blink nurse... but it's an ultra-rare add-on and you basically need grandma's heart too... I think it'd just be cool to keep mint-rag the way it is and just as a wow factor... I mean it does cost a ultra-rare and very rare add-on to do... killers need some way to get that "mori 4 survivors" achievement.
A BNP costs an ultra rare, and does 20 seconds of a gen in 5, but only if you hit great checks. 25%... Slow Clap
Yeah, I think this BNP nerf is too much... I think you should install it into a generator... that generator can be repaired in half the time (including other teammates working on it)… if the killer kicks that generator though the BNP is gone. There's the easy way to nerf BNPs... then there's a way to keep them fun.
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@MrChills said:
The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.Imo it's stronger than 5 blink nurse... but it's an ultra-rare add-on and you basically need grandma's heart too... I think it'd just be cool to keep mint-rag the way it is and just as a wow factor... I mean it does cost a ultra-rare and very rare add-on to do... killers need some way to get that "mori 4 survivors" achievement.
I dont use grandma heart. I sue mintrag plus a green necklace. does me well
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@MrChills said:
The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.Mint Rag is training wheels, it's good for campers, horrible for people experienced with her since it makes you less dynamic overall.
What is the "exhaustion addon" you're talking about?
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
I was thinking of a nerf... people have said - add a way to scratch out her traps... I think this can harm her against co-ordinated SWFs though... I think the nerf should be - if the person hooked presses the attempt to unhook key - this activates any trap placed under the hook... struggle does that automatically. Also no points are awarded to the hag for her traps being popped in this situation (to prevent farming while camping)... survivors have a very good degree of intel that she's just camping if they keep trying to put traps down.Weren't you that guy, who Hybrid Panda wrecked with Hag during the PTB?
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@zacmangaming said:
Nope. Terrible idea and It's not even necessary. Are you aware of the "CTRL" button on your keyboard?I already 4k with hag 90% of the time on live at red ranks... the change only really effects survivors who don't know how to counter her - which you've pointed out how that's done if the hag doesn't camp/patrol the hook... if you're a good hag why would you care about this change knowing survivors can just crouch the hook? You're not supposed to put traps directly under the hook against the best survivors as it is but rather try to get them to trigger one nearby.
There's no good way to counter the new hag because she's effective at hooking survivors and effective at camping... once someone's hooked it's gg. With the change to make her a better chaser... her camping effective status needs to go down a notch.
Are you streaming? I would like to learn from you if you 4k 90% at rank 1
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Hag changes are not even out yet and crybabies are already out begging for nerfs.
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@AlexAnarchy said:
Hag changes are not even out yet and crybabies are already out begging for nerfs.It is a habit, they won't change it.
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@RSB said:
@AlexAnarchy said:
Hag changes are not even out yet and crybabies are already out begging for nerfs.It is a habit, they won't change it.
EZ counter, I’ll just never save people off hooks from hag
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@Soren said:
@MrChills said:
The only thing on the hag that make get nerf is mintrag. Mintrag, with make your choice, and a red/green mori was strong( even without the moris) some of these changes with the right add-ons plus the exhaustion add on might make mintrag build op. if it does, mintrag will be nerfed. the only thing to worry about here is if you run mintrag often on the hag. Nothing will get nerfed but mintrag.Mint Rag is training wheels, it's good for campers, horrible for people experienced with her since it makes you less dynamic overall.
What is the "exhaustion addon" you're talking about?
tthey talked about making one the gags add ons cause exhaustion or collision.
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No, that's not how balance works, a mindset of the devs and community is "if you buff it in some way you gotta nerf it in some way." or vise versa. That's bull s**t. The Hag is a worthless killer who needs buffs in fact she needs way more buffs to her core power than she is getting. Yes she's getting buffed because she sucks, if we nerf her to compensate for buffing her, the buff means nothing. Bottom line.
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@TrumpJunior I BNP any killer... no streamer is that special... that's funny if there are some getting salty believing they're getting stream sniped because of it. Killer's are happy to use moris/insta-saw/insta-hatchets/3+ blinks etc... why am I bound from using BNPs exactly?
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@RSB Wrong, he was trapper and someone hatched camped not opening the exit (that's what happens when you play solo and the devs make stealth too easy). First hook, last hook... and I'm not bothered about dying in a game where 50% of the time you're expected to die.
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@AlexAnarchy This is more of a thought from someone who can actually play hag... You like many here are probably part of the people who think she needed 115% movement speed who aren't able to play her. Learn her... she's hard but you'll realise the change suggested in the main post only makes her less of a noob stomper if you're good with her.
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@MrDrakanator said:
in fact she needs way more buffs to her core power than she is getting.lmao x'D
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@TrumpJunior I BNP any killer... no streamer is that special... that's funny if there are some getting salty believing they're getting stream sniped because of it. Killer's are happy to use moris/insta-saw/insta-hatchets/3+ blinks etc... why am I bound from using BNPs exactly?Well to be fair here to this point, killers have an insane amount of tasks compared to survivors so these things are less of a problem for survivors as BNP is to killers.
In regards to the post, she is perfectly fine where she is now ( on PTB I mean ) so no she will not and should not get nerfed
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@IronWolf115 said:
@dont_ask_me_again said:
@TrumpJunior I BNP any killer... no streamer is that special... that's funny if there are some getting salty believing they're getting stream sniped because of it. Killer's are happy to use moris/insta-saw/insta-hatchets/3+ blinks etc... why am I bound from using BNPs exactly?Well to be fair here to this point, killers have an insane amount of tasks compared to survivors so these things are less of a problem for survivors as BNP is to killers.
In regards to the post, she is perfectly fine where she is now ( on PTB I mean ) so no she will not and should not get nerfed
The devs don't actually know which posts are from experienced players and which are not... as a rule of thumb - if the majority of killer mains agree on something in the forum... they're normally not the best killers. Even true said she can be abit too powerful and the PTB can be over-whelming... what this really translates as there's nothing to really do but gen-rush. My nerf isn't even that bad considering you just need to plant 2-3 traps a couple of meters away from each other or so if you really want the same thing. It's just that you have some less access to traps to remove some map control for camping.
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@IronWolf115 said:
@dont_ask_me_again said:
@TrumpJunior I BNP any killer... no streamer is that special... that's funny if there are some getting salty believing they're getting stream sniped because of it. Killer's are happy to use moris/insta-saw/insta-hatchets/3+ blinks etc... why am I bound from using BNPs exactly?Well to be fair here to this point, killers have an insane amount of tasks compared to survivors so these things are less of a problem for survivors as BNP is to killers.
In regards to the post, she is perfectly fine where she is now ( on PTB I mean ) so no she will not and should not get nerfed
The devs don't actually know which posts are from experienced players and which are not... as a rule of thumb - if the majority of killer mains agree on something in the forum... they're normally not the best killers. Even true said she can be abit too powerful and the PTB can be over-whelming... what this really translates as there's nothing to really do but gen-rush. My nerf isn't even that bad considering you just need to plant 2-3 traps a couple of meters away from each other or so if you really want the same thing. It's just that you have some less access to traps to remove some map control for camping.
I know for a fact that the PTB and any further (upcoming) Hag changes have been discussed directly with long-standing, well-known Hag mains.
So in this case, the devs do know that the Feedback they got was from experienced players who also knew how to play the Hag perfectly well.
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@DocOctober Any good Hag mains I know barely thought she needed a buff as a killer who stands better than huntress right now. I was one of the people arguing that she doesn't need a movement speed increase... the goal of hag mains is not to get baby killers playing her so they can camp with her and lurk around the map at ease. That's why increased movement speed was ruled out and buffing her power was chosen... but it could be too much. I think making the basic way to snow-ball with her should be made a tad more complicated. If you even played hag you'd know this change does nothing but complicates the snowball.
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@DocOctober Any good Hag mains I know barely thought she needed a buff as a killer who stands better than huntress right now. I was one of the people arguing that she doesn't need a movement speed increase... the goal of hag mains is not to get baby killers playing her so they can camp with her and lurk around the map at ease. That's why increased movement speed was ruled out and buffing her power was chosen... but it could be too much. I think making the basic way to snow-ball with her should be made a tad more complicated. If you even played hag you'd know this change does nothing but complicates the snowball.Obviously you don't belong to those Hag mains or the devs might have included you into the discussion, but then again, seen as how you literally complain about everything in the game, I wouldn't want to discuss any changes with you either.
The discussion has been made with the most experienced Hag mains in the game, the devs know their path with her and there's nothing you can do about it but deal with it.
I'm out, since discussions with you are cumbersome, all I wanted to do is let you know that in regards to this statement "The devs don't actually know which posts are from experienced players and which are not..." you were wrong in the case of the Hag.
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@dont_ask_me_again said:
@DocOctober Any good Hag mains I know barely thought she needed a buff as a killer who stands better than huntress right now. I was one of the people arguing that she doesn't need a movement speed increase... the goal of hag mains is not to get baby killers playing her so they can camp with her and lurk around the map at ease. That's why increased movement speed was ruled out and buffing her power was chosen... but it could be too much. I think making the basic way to snow-ball with her should be made a tad more complicated. If you even played hag you'd know this change does nothing but complicates the snowball.Show me a hag main that manages to deal with genrush. Because no matter what I try, I cant do anythign against it.
It takes way too much time to get a guy as hag and then there is all the second chance stuff taking away your momentum.Please provide some link for your claim, I would be happy to learn sth from these hag mains
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Ask @Croquedead or Michi on the SteamMaster said:@dont_ask_me_again said:
@DocOctober Any good Hag mains I know barely thought she needed a buff as a killer who stands better than huntress right now. I was one of the people arguing that she doesn't need a movement speed increase... the goal of hag mains is not to get baby killers playing her so they can camp with her and lurk around the map at ease. That's why increased movement speed was ruled out and buffing her power was chosen... but it could be too much. I think making the basic way to snow-ball with her should be made a tad more complicated. If you even played hag you'd know this change does nothing but complicates the snowball.Show me a hag main that manages to deal with genrush. Because no matter what I try, I cant do anythign against it.
It takes way too much time to get a guy as hag and then there is all the second chance stuff taking away your momentum.Please provide some link for your claim, I would be happy to learn sth from these hag mains
Forum. At least Michi was one of the Hag mains working with the devs on her buffs.0 -
@dont_ask_me_again said:
@IronWolf115 said:
@dont_ask_me_again said:
@TrumpJunior I BNP any killer... no streamer is that special... that's funny if there are some getting salty believing they're getting stream sniped because of it. Killer's are happy to use moris/insta-saw/insta-hatchets/3+ blinks etc... why am I bound from using BNPs exactly?Well to be fair here to this point, killers have an insane amount of tasks compared to survivors so these things are less of a problem for survivors as BNP is to killers.
In regards to the post, she is perfectly fine where she is now ( on PTB I mean ) so no she will not and should not get nerfed
The devs don't actually know which posts are from experienced players and which are not... as a rule of thumb - if the majority of killer mains agree on something in the forum... they're normally not the best killers. Even true said she can be abit too powerful and the PTB can be over-whelming... what this really translates as there's nothing to really do but gen-rush. My nerf isn't even that bad considering you just need to plant 2-3 traps a couple of meters away from each other or so if you really want the same thing. It's just that you have some less access to traps to remove some map control for camping.
Tru3 also said that she needs to be tested against all rank 1's... these changes have yet to go against the cream of the crop simply because they actually want to earn bloodpoints and have their perks the way are now so the ranks 1's that the Hag needs to go against don't test the new stuff when it would be very valuable for that info if they played the ptb...
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How about we let the ptb go live, have a mass of people play it and use these things. Then gather a large base of results then decide whether it needs a nerf or a buff.1
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@Master said:
Show me a hag main that manages to deal with genrush. Because no matter what I try, I cant do anythign against it.Genrush is a global issue for all killers, but if you mean especially: how to manage your time as the Hag, then the answer is: you slug A LOT. You have a power that slows down altruism, use it at your advantage!
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@HeroLives said:
How about we let the ptb go live, have a mass of people play it and use these things. Then gather a large base of results then decide whether it needs a nerf or a buff.this.
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