Gen Rush game is terrible. Have to camp to get a kill

despised7

Still the same meta. You get looped for 3 minutes while they finish all 5 gens so if you actually do catch someone you have to camp

Someissues

It would be extremely stupid not to camp since they can get off the hook and 4 escapes. So yes the current meta you must Camp as a Killer

same goes for Tunneling, you get punished for chasing a new person instead of the first guy that got hooke, since killed = delay gen times

Unless you play Slugs Nurse which doesn't require camping, if you win without having to camp the survivors are either stupid, or they are extremely save heavy

4 gens in 3 minutes ruin active the whole time, only 1 common toolbox used no BNP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh17g7TIhU0

Loop P3 Doctor 5 minutes for 5 gens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI7mVVIAJs0

Loop Huntress for 5 gens in 3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hB8pRZBPvI

Dabrownman1812

You can win without camping absolutely, no matter what killer you use. Step da game up. Plenty do it, practice a kyf match a bit then. All killers should be treated differently, if you need ruin or noed then use it, don't need to camp to win.

thesuicidefox

@Someissues If you actually listen to True in the first video he says "Why do you keep chasing me?" That whole first chase he was just wasting time. He should have switched targets and then he wouldn't have lost as badly as he did. The killer forced themselves into that situation by chasing him for way WAY too long.

Techn0

@Dabrownman1812 said:
You can win without camping absolutely, no matter what killer you use. Step da game up. Plenty do it, practice a kyf match a bit then. All killers should be treated differently, if you need ruin or noed then use it, don't need to camp to win.

I personally Disagree. I can play Trapper at rank one pretty well as well as Clown and Pig. When good survivors are playing against these mid tier killers they simply get genrushed to the point at which you need to camp/tunnel to win. It's just the way of the game when the gens are popping at the speed of light.

Baphomett

Good point if he is the only survivor that can do it.  When even 2 surv can do loop like that, it's not a workable strategy. 

Btw, since when is "the only viable strategy is to give up and let the survivor go" an argument for a balanced game?  Would anyone be okay with it if there was a perk that occassionally made one generator randomly regress and it could never be finished in under 5 minutes regardless of the skill of the survivir and his ability to hit great skill checks?  Would "just give up and find a different gen" be a valid argument?  For that matter, what if that happened on more than one gen, or even all of the gens?

Balance can't include strategies that can't be countered due to the mechanics of the game.  That's the very definition of imbalance.  By definition, balance means that players of equal skill have an equal chance of success.  Given that this is a 4v1 game, that means that balance would mean the killer has to have a distinct advantage in any given 1-on-1 encounter with a player of equal skill.  Even odds would still be imbalanced, let alone the current advantage on the survivor side.  When 1 out of 4 chases at rank 1 ends in the survivor either escaping or wasting over a minute of the killers time, then we're close to a balanced game.

Steebear

@Someissues said:
It would be extremely stupid not to camp since they can get off the hook and 4 escapes. So yes the current meta you must Camp as a Killer

This simply isn't true.

I play a lot of killer at the top end of the ranks each season without the need of Ruin or NOED and do just fine. Yes there are some rough games when you face a SWF with all the gadgets but they can still be a lot of fun.

The sooner you stop focusing on a 'need' to pip and just have fun learning to chase and down the better you will become and the more fun you will have!

only1biggs

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Someissues

@Steebear said:
I play a lot of killer at the top end of the ranks each season without the need of Ruin or NOED and do just fine. Yes there are some rough games when you face a SWF with all the gadgets but they can still be a lot of fun.

There are people who tryhard and play to win, I don't play for fun at all, getting looped for minutes isn't fun. and the current solution to do is to Derank yourself back to 20, I get 4k every game from Rank 20 till Rank 10, i can get those too on Rank 1s but I am forced to either play Nurse or Huntress, Billy gets looped to death

@thesuicidefox said:
@Someissues If you actually listen to True in the first video he says "Why do you keep chasing me?" That whole first chase he was just wasting time. He should have switched targets and then he wouldn't have lost as badly as he did. The killer forced themselves into that situation by chasing him for way WAY too long.

I watched all of it, that argument don't work. What Tru is implying is that, on that groaning storehouse spot, that spot is extremely loopable and will waste alot of killer's time. it is more or less similar to an infinite. Back then survivors mains tells people not to chase someone in an infinite and focus on other survivors

but other survivors can sprintburst back to the same spot and try to loop you and waste your time. Switching target would only work if they are out in the open with no windows/ pellets

Steebear

I don't play for fun at all

I think this may be the root of the problem then, it is a game after all!

thesuicidefox

@Someissues said:
I watched all of it, that argument don't work. What Tru is implying is that, on that groaning storehouse spot, that spot is extremely loopable and will waste alot of killer's time. it is more or less similar to an infinite. Back then survivors mains tells people not to chase someone in an infinite and focus on other survivors

It is loopable, which is why he kept saying "why do you keep chasing me here?" Because True is aware that the best thing he could do once he started to loop was go find someone else. At least stop after he was in Madness 3, because then he could leave him know True would have to spend time to snap out. It's the killer's mistake for following him there and then chasing him for as long as he did.

One thing I personally find very effect as killer is to just slug random people. It forces others off gens to help them, and as it is not a hook they more often take the bait. Then I will chase/down that person, hook them and notice another person healing this guy up. Okay that's 3 not doing gens. You can't apply pressure by chasing 1 person all game. That was a ######### killer making ######### choices. No other way around it.

PS. Does that mean the loops should stay? No they should be fixed, what it means is that killers need to own up to their mistakes.

despised7

@thesuicidefox said:
@Someissues If you actually listen to True in the first video he says "Why do you keep chasing me?" That whole first chase he was just wasting time. He should have switched targets and then he wouldn't have lost as badly as he did. The killer forced themselves into that situation by chasing him for way WAY too long.

So you break off and let the next player if you actually find one loop you for 5 more minutes? Are you not trolling? You have to be or just a complete noob.

Dabrownman1812

Techn0 said:

@Dabrownman1812 said:
You can win without camping absolutely, no matter what killer you use. Step da game up. Plenty do it, practice a kyf match a bit then. All killers should be treated differently, if you need ruin or noed then use it, don't need to camp to win.

I personally Disagree. I can play Trapper at rank one pretty well as well as Clown and Pig. When good survivors are playing against these mid tier killers they simply get genrushed to the point at which you need to camp/tunnel to win. It's just the way of the game when the gens are popping at the speed of light.

Thats on your skill and loadout. I never said don't tunnel, I said you don't need to camp to win. Camping is a strategy, but if you cannot win unless you camp, then that's on you. Rank 1 killer and survivor, I know the game ends quick since I really don't run ruin and I still don't camp and get wins. It's up to killer and loadout. Trapper is weak before the buff coming. I know many players that win without camping or tunneling as well, it is all relative to the player.

Dabrownman1812

thesuicidefox said:

@Someissues said:
I watched all of it, that argument don't work. What Tru is implying is that, on that groaning storehouse spot, that spot is extremely loopable and will waste alot of killer's time. it is more or less similar to an infinite. Back then survivors mains tells people not to chase someone in an infinite and focus on other survivors

It is loopable, which is why he kept saying "why do you keep chasing me here?" Because True is aware that the best thing he could do once he started to loop was go find someone else. At least stop after he was in Madness 3, because then he could leave him know True would have to spend time to snap out. It's the killer's mistake for following him there and then chasing him for as long as he did.

One thing I personally find very effect as killer is to just slug random people. It forces others off gens to help them, and as it is not a hook they more often take the bait. Then I will chase/down that person, hook them and notice another person healing this guy up. Okay that's 3 not doing gens. You can't apply pressure by chasing 1 person all game. That was a ######### killer making ######### choices. No other way around it.

PS. Does that mean the loops should stay? No they should be fixed, what it means is that killers need to own up to their mistakes.

Word, spread the love, smack someone while someone else is down, keep survivors busy. If you are predictable, they will gen rush and save when and if they can.

thesuicidefox

@despised7 said:

@thesuicidefox said:
@Someissues If you actually listen to True in the first video he says "Why do you keep chasing me?" That whole first chase he was just wasting time. He should have switched targets and then he wouldn't have lost as badly as he did. The killer forced themselves into that situation by chasing him for way WAY too long.

So you break off and let the next player if you actually find one loop you for 5 more minutes? Are you not trolling? You have to be or just a complete noob.

I... don't chase people for 5 minutes straight. The times I did I lost. The times I decide to break off the chase because I saw tastier meat or the guy was wasting my time I won. If you chase a guy for 5 minutes and never catch them there is no winning that game.

Jack11803

I get plenty of kills..... as survivor. Only response I could give to the killer is this.

Someissues

@thesuicidefox said:
It is loopable, which is why he kept saying "why do you keep chasing me here?" Because True is aware that the best thing he could do once he started to loop was go find someone else. At least stop after he was in Madness 3, because then he could leave him know True would have to spend time to snap out. It's the killer's mistake for following him there and then chasing him for as long as he did.

One thing I personally find very effect as killer is to just slug random people. It forces others off gens to help them, and as it is not a hook they more often take the bait. Then I will chase/down that person, hook them and notice another person healing this guy up. Okay that's 3 not doing gens. You can't apply pressure by chasing 1 person all game. That was a ######### killer making ######### choices. No other way around it.

PS. Does that mean the loops should stay? No they should be fixed, what it means is that killers need to own up to their mistakes.

That spot needs fixing for sure, it's the strongest loop in the game right now arguably and is infinite for Huntress since she loses bloodlust whenever you jumped back inside making this repeatable for an infinite amount of times

Sure it's the Killer's fault for making it that long and yes this needs to be addressed

Slugging is good, but more often then not you would get blocked, and get flamed by it. I play Slug Nurse and i can slug every down on the floor before 5 gens gets activated

@despised7 said:
So you break off and let the next player if you actually find one loop you for 5 more minutes? Are you not trolling? You have to be or just a complete noob.

Are you incapable of reading that you have no clue on what you're talking about, you sound like a twat

Someissues

There's a thing called Rank, it forces everyone to play Ranked, Ranked is meant to be play competitive, if they want people to have fun there should be another mode called Casual. On Ranked in all games I play I play to win