Bamboozle
Ive always wondered about what if bamboozle got changed to 25% vault speed but it doesn't block window, would this be bad or good?
(Opinions very welcomed!)
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bad, the window block is amazing for the perk
I would keep it the same but instead make the blockage slightly longer
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Blocking windows is more beneficial than faster vault imo.
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It likely wouldn't be worth using, unless you're an EW3 Myers and trying to make up for the leg day you skipped. In order to gain distance on a survivor by vaulting after them, you would need to vault significantly faster. A fast vault with land them a short distance away from the window and also maintain their momentum. The killer, on the other hand, comes to a complete stop right next to the window.
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Personally I'd like Bamboozle to have a delayed activation to actually surprise survivors. The moment you use Bamboozle survivors know to look for another loop / window because they can hear / see the window being blocked.
Example - Vault window and after 3* seconds it's blocked for the normal duration. Smart survivors would be able to tell a killer has Bamboozle based on Vault speed so there would be counterplay. It would also technically increase the duration overall.
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Bamboozle should be a baseline effect, and the actual perk should just increase its duration.
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If bamboozle was a baseline effect it would make killers so broken and the gap is being closed more and more, it would turn the shack into a one loop scenario and make a lot of other loops obsolete, removing counterplay against killers and making it so no matter how well you play you gotta waste those pallets.
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or players could learn how to run simple structures. just a thought.
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Inability to use a window more than once makes killers broken?
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Thank you everyone for the feedback, I was genuinely curious about which part people prefer (vault faster/block window).
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It's what comes afterwards that makes killers broken if that was the case, imagine being only able to loop every window once, it removes a lot of potential to mindgame people all because bamboozle is now baseline? Just simply vault the window and now they can't use it again. Windows in this game are already really jank and you end up getting hit through most of them even when you shouldn't anyway.
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>imagine being only able to loop every window once, it removes a lot of potential to mindgame
Only double use of a window that can be considered a mindgame is when you make slow vault right after fast vault when killer tries to get around. Getting to the window after killer already vaulted... uuuh... It's when you abuse poor FOV of a killer?
Doing a loop isn't a mindgame though. So what I imagine actually seems pleasant.
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say I vaulted a window a killer didn't expect me to. he now has to play that window again if I stay near it. unless he has bamboozle, then that's it, no more mindgame potential because no more window.
also, classic "everything a survivor does is abuse" bit. I love it (although I had no idea what u even meant by that).
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I wouldn't want that, personally. There's some neat mindgames you can do normally, like vaulting shack window and vaulting back, that aren't possible with bamboozle. Once they hear the blocker, they'd move on. Fair game if that's how you want to play, but having windows available spices up chases and makes them more interesting.
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It would be bad, Window block is the real reason it is used.
Making bamboozle baseline is silly, they already instituted the 3-vault block nerf, adding bamboozle on top is a little much. Might as well just take windows out of the game, and take out survivors while you're at it nobody would be left playing survivor.
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say I vaulted a window a killer didn't expect me to. he now has to play that window again
Yeaaah, that "again" part always gets to me. But I got your point, I have agree, mindgames that allow you to prolong loops are also mindgames. It's just there is not a lot of window loops where killers can mindgame survivors.
Sorry, just that I as a killer can't see a survivor sitting under my belly when I also look under my belly doesn't feel fair to me. But I didn't quite blame anyone here.
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You'd need around 30%-40% vault speed for that bamboozle version to effective. It would be funny if they buffed Freddy's fire up to 5% for fast vault meme build.
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I wouldn't mind if it was faster I love using it on infinite tier 3
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I'm pretty sure every basic structure with a window is mindgamable. the only ones that aren't are windows like ironworks and structures that are connected really closely
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