This is why my friend won't play DbD
As I saw, devs watch us, and listen us, they fixed the hair graphics in low preset as I requested and a lot of people voted up. I'm surprised they fixed this in less than a week and I'm very thankful. Now, I want to show more feedback, this time, I'll take the word of my friend.
I've been playing DbD alone more than my first year, then I started to add people thanks to discord, and people which I sometimes still swf. I always wanted to play and talk with my irl friends, I even bought DbD with myers's DLC for someone's birthday, but he just played once. It's now almost 2 years I started, and last week I managed to make one get interested into it because he watched me in twitch. Luckily, the free weekend was coming, so I told him to install it and play together.
Friday
He had time to play in the afternoon, game was already installed and was working, he even did the tutorials. I wanted to show him the basics in a kyf match but we got the same error all the time, our versions weren't the same and we couldn't get in the same party. After several time trying things I had to come to the servers, then, minutes later, a dev answers, he had to verify the game files, and after that he had to download several GB of content again. We had to leave the matches for next day.
Saturday
We finally could fix the issue, we had the kyf match, it took me 20 minutes to explain him every single thing, including mechanics, loops, hooks, hatch, shack,...
We decided to rock some public matches.
Match number 1: rank 14 nurse. (I supose the context is already easy to guess).
Match number 2: rank 15 leatherface. It was going good at the begin, but then the killer started to slug us and at the end my friend was the only one who died because of noed and it was his first hook.
Match number 3: rank 14 doctor. I never had such as this kind of toxic doctor, who made the match last for 20 MINUTES and I'm talking about real time. His build was iridiscent king and more electric range, with unerving presence, overcharge, barbecue and the one to make the terror radius a lot bigger plus the jigsaw piece offering. The match lasted for all that only because the killer wanted to. He was acting so strange and while he was getting people down, he left them to go back to some gens to aply overcharge. After that he proceeded to hook sometimes. The match was a complete mess and my friend couldn't complete all the skillchecks to get out of madness most of the time. He couldn't play. When there were just me and another guy I decided to suicide to give him the hatch, because the match already lasted 15 minutes, but then the killer just slugged me and camped me, he also found the hatch as then me ad the other survivor did. After slugging us several times changing the slugged survivor he slugged our two, waited the other guy to bleed out and then take and hook me. He even acted very toxic at the chat.
The morning ended, and my friend had stuff to do irl, so the games would continue next day
Sunday
Me: hey, did you already buy DbD? It's in offer and your birthday is soon, so I though about buying it with some DLCs to you.
My friend: don't ever ask me to play that game again.
Looks like I'll never bring anyone to join this game.
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Guess it isn't for him. Try letting him play at his own rank before you drag him up to higher ranks.
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Game bugs, sure I get that.
However most those matches there was nothing wrong with.
Slugging is a viable and very often times needed strategy.
You killed yourself to give hatch, that isn't considered a very sportsmanlike move to the killer and trying to steal his 4k. He was simply playing the game in the way you started. Also, if you got stuck into that long of a match because of being 3 gen'd then that was all yalls mistake of not paying attention to what gens were being done.
Not wanting to play because of bugs is fair but everything else is throwing a fit and not learning from mistakes.
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I am not surprised
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You saved a life today. 😇
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What are you suggesting that they do here exactly? Its just killers being toxic.
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Sounds typical for a lot of new players. Dbd is known to have the worst community in gaming after all.
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did your friend play killer at all? either in the KYF or in a public match?
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That was 1 killer being toxic. Singular.
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It's sad that unfun mechanics are "correct and viable and needed."
That is the point the OP is trying to make. This game allows and even encourages too many stupid and unfun gameplay styles and mechancis that aren't doing it any favors with new players.
Doctor is one of the worst killers in the game to go up against because he just makes everything play badly for survivors.
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I agree that the community can be so sucky at points and not at all fun for peole beggining to play, but thats more of the community more than the game,
we can add a system where you can upvote and downvote survivors and killers and if you just massively get downvotes you would get that Dunce icon (the one in the game files) next to your name that sorts you with other people that have the dunce icon,
So toxic people get toxic people, you may argue that you might get longer waiting times but like you said theres so many toxic survivors that I think the game would mostly split into non dunces lmao and dunces.
Just a suggestion, Im not the most experienced player so, I just play around too have fun and try to make the game as enjoyable as I can for survivors. (Killer Main)
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The dude was a brand new player probably going against higher ranks I mean do you blame him for feeling that way? Sure all of what you said is true there is nothing wrong with that playstyle but with the tutorial seriously lacking information to help you survive and never playing the game before being matched against people with good perks and plenty of experience isn't gonna be fun and that's what alot of people are gonna figure out if survivors keep getting small nerfs here and there people won't want to pick up the game , they'll get demolished simply because they haven't invested hours into the game to "git gud" as some of you say , casual players are probably a majority in this game as a whole group but new players coming into the game are going to turn the other way for something that doesn't cost over 100 dollars to unlock every DLC and buy the game or something that's a little easier to get the hang of that they can have fun with without getting trash talked
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Maybe you should let him get a feel for things before you show him some tips and tricks (If he does decide to give it another chance that is...)
Maybe he'll like it, maybe he won't. But letting him try it out for himself a few matches before showing him the meta would help him settle into it more naturally... than artificially.
Just a thought, you don't have to take my word for it.
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Camper killers always depip, and low levels are full of them
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The game arrived up to a point where it's not convenient for newer players to start playing anymore. The ranking system can match you without any problems with people who played 3 full years, and even the average players increased their skill level.
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"Steal his 4k"?
The Doc obviously decided to slug which is fine, but I really can't agree with that wording. There's nothing to steal, kills and escapes aren't deserved until they're fully carried out. Obviously it'd be completely different if someone disconnected to give hatch, but in this example everyone's actions and motivations were perfectly within the boundaries of the game.
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That is the single worst idea I have heard in a long time.
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"The dude was a brand new player probably going against higher ranks I mean do you blame him for feeling that way?"
That is not information that was given. Let's use what information was provided rather than making up additional scenarios that can match our opinion.
Also, even if he did up being experienced that is related to the recent bug only which I also already said is a fine reason and something the devs are working on.
"survivors keep getting small nerfs here and there people won't want to pick up the game"
Survivor still is and always has been the power role, even with any recent changes, it isn't even close.
"new players coming into the game are going to turn the other way for something that doesn't cost over 100 dollars to unlock every DLC"
They don't need to spend 100 dollars. Firstly, the vast majority of the game can be acquired through play time. Secondly, you don't need ALL the DLC's to play the game. Literally 90% of the perks and killers are extremely weak and unneeded.
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Yes, "steal his 4k".
If the second to last player suicides to give hatch when it would have otherwise been a 4k.
"There's nothing to steal, kills and escapes aren't deserved until they're fully carried out"
That was a kill without him suiciding. That was earned because he had the 4 man. I never said it wasn't within the games boundaries but it's extremely unsportsmanlike. Being unsportsmanlike is fine, but then don't complain about slugging and dragging the game out as long as possible because then he's just playing the game how you started it.
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It's not unsportsmanlike. He's being a team palyer and taking one for the team so someone can escape. It's not illegal it's within the rules.
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I had my friend get it for PC to play with me. Like 3 matches in a row were doctor and one was nurse. One doc was toxic but the whole shock, illusion, madness really freaked him out. Never was able to play it on PC again though he does play on PS4 in swf. Btw he was in rank 20-17matches as i had decayed quite a bit. (Pre legion)
Currently with the matchmaking bug causing worse than usual match-ups i dont blame him for refusing to play again.
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No one said it was illegal, just unsportsmanlike.
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What you're saying is your friend won't play a game that they're not immediately good at.
Ok.
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Other than the part about bugs that's basically what I gathered as well.
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I'll agree that since it was a doc in particular with I. King and I assume he shocked everyone enough to apply Restraint to them, hiding for the remaining time of bleedout/hook time would be unlikely. Not impossible as we can't know the skill level of the players involved, but probably fairly negligible odds.
I see your point even though I don't think suiciding on hook in that situation is unsportsmanlike in particular, to me it's more another form of altruism in a way that can be prevented by slugging. So I guess it's more of a case of conflicting views on the situation(s) at play.
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Your friend hasn't ever played Dark Souls 3 have they? I feel like Dead by Daylight has its own Iudex Gundyr when you initially start out. That being fear and a lack of investment. Before you hit the "No refunds" zone you aren't really required to become too attached to the game.
It's just takes passing a test of endurance to enjoy Dead by Daylight.
"You must git this gud to proceed."
There's nothing wrong with your friend having a super casual approach.
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That's one thing.
But anyone would get annoyed with this game after going up against a Doctor like the one described by the OP.
It is not fun for newbies to be going up against killers like that. And BHVR does need to pamper new player (both killers and survivors) a little if they really want the game to grow. That pampering doesn't need to be unfair; just making sure that 0-Devotion players only get matches against 0-devotion players is a huge step.
SWF players with a newb and a vet (which is what you're looking at if longtime fans are trying to convert their friends to playing this game) are an issue though and I'm not sure how to resolve that conundrum.
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Yes
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To clarify some dicussion here, I decided to suicide because the match was lasting too much time, I would have DCed in other way. I tried to give the killer a third kill which was enough to pip, but he decided to waste way more time and at the end he didn't even sacrified one of us, died in the floor.
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Yeah, but if he played by himself, he would get to the point of being goob by himself and come to the same point anyway someday.
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Also a question for everyone, either if you are new or old player, bad or good, do you like to go against this and more stuff?
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I have almost 1,000 hours. Am I bad for having a killer that attempts to host the match for 20 minutes, when I even tried to make it shorter giving up and not DCing?
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People who have a strong back and a fountain of patience will stick with this game. People who aren't used to these kinds of these or don't have the patience to learn all the mechanics won't enjoy this and never will.
It is very interesting to see who enjoys this game and who doesn't. I have some friends who I met playing Friday the 13th and they enjoy playing that together, not that they enjoy the game but they actually play that one; they won't play this or even try it out.
Then I have friends who love shooters and all these advanced mechanics and grind, they hate Friday but love DBD and even though this game pisses them off into a stress fueled depression they still stick with it.
Everyone is different
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I dont see this as an actual problem with the game but with the players but tbh they are just using what tools they have so they can try to win.
Each one of those games bar the Doctor they used perfectly fine strats. The Doc seemed to be just prolonging the game for points or farming you all for their own gain.
If someone can't accept the game for what it is they will never buy it or keep playing. That's the reality of things and why so many types of games are made. Some games just arent for some people like your friend.
You accept all that happening why is that but they wouldn't? It's just different strokes for different folks.
The game concept hasn't changed but it has managed a very loyal following and does bring in new and many buy it. That shows what the devs have done right as even with what you describe they enjoyed the game enough to make that purchase.
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I left this dicussion to make devs understand how can some people feel starting in this game. Just imagine in how someone rejects a full free game from you, knowing you're already experienced with this.
Btw, my kill could grant the win for the killer, you don't need always the four kills wasting 20 minutes and it's clear that in that match he could have just killed me and still win.
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Uh, it's called skill increase. Over time, you LEARN. You don't learn how to swim by being yeeted into the deep end of the pool. You gradually learn to swim deeper and deeper.
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Theyre not going to do that for the same reason they dont have a "block player" option. Ppl use it on skilled players they dont want to play against. Overwatch had a block player option for awhile until they noticed one of the best Widowmakers in the world (who was also known to be very nice) had HUNDREDS of blocks.
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Well they could work a system that if your constantly downvoting then your votes wouldnt count? Im trying to come up with some ideas here sorry.
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@LordGlint Yep, I remember that fiasco in Overwatch.
Now, they could do what Overwatch currently does. You have three avoid slots, and after seven days whoever you put on it automatically drops off unless you manually put them back on.
Needless to say, I've used those slots damned often. I've never kept anyone on there permanently. Matter of fact, after about two days or so they're usually replaced by someone else.
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Doctor is only bad if whoever plays with him makes the matches last for ages. Maybe the devs will be able to do something about this when they change him.
Slugging is definitely needed in some situations in order to apply more map pressure as killer. It becomes a problem though once killers just slug the entire team and then hook survivors. It would be nice if the first survivor downed would receive a free Unbreakable as soon as at least 3 survivors are all lying on the ground.
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That would be funny to make toxics play with each other. Then they can complain about each other. Ahh, the salt that they would generate would be astronomical!
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I really don't see an issue here. Yeah you come up against ######### sometimes. Hell, who didn't have a camping Wraith in their first 5 games simply due to inexperienced killers?
The difference is we didn't quit. You can't ban every single different play style that someone might not enjoy just in case, and you can't fix the matchmaking in a way where a pair of brand new player and veteran fit together, either the new player or a new killer is going to be suffering.
If they quit after 3 games, they aren't going to last anyway if they get a camper or tunneler once a night, or someone who uses add ons that haven't been preapproved by survivors.
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That just shows the game was not for them as you know yourself that is the game we chose to play. There is nothing that can be done to change how someone wants to play the game without making it an entirely new one. It's just how it is.
I have been offered lots of free games and declined quite a few as they weren't my type. I'd rather the game went to someone who would enjoy playing it.
As for not having to always get the 4 kills well that's not for you or I to decide what someone deems as a victory as each person's view is different. While we may see 2 kills as enough and let some go others may feel they need that 4k or like the Doctor match they could want to max out their bloodpoints or using the group as practice so everyone gets some.
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Interestingly I've never used the Avoid slots in Overwatch. I welcome all comers. Overwatch is not the kind of game that feels toxic to play anyhow.
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The slug tactic is a headache, what's annoying is that whenever I remove Bond or Unbreakable or even No Mither that's when I run into a killer who wants to slug.
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Sounds like 3 typical, non-toxic matches. Your friend doesn't sound like he enjoys pvp games. Maybe he should try FFXIV. I love that game.
Or maybe you didn't explain that this game has a distinct learning curve and you can't expect to jump in and win straight away? This game doesn't hold your hand and rewards skill... most new AAA titles will baby new players to victory.
My guess is that if your friend actually buys the game he will just be salty in post game chat because he lost and not understand he has to learn the game and practice to get better. It's better to stick with other games that might hold his hand a little more in this case.
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I disagree strongly with this sentiment. It's in the very definition of sportsmanship that you give your victory up so another may have it in your stead. If the killer was 'sportsmanlike,' he would have hooked and not slugged. If he did hook, then is he going to complain he got that sacrifice? That's what he wanted, isn't it?
You might say he could have found the 4th while person Struggled, which is entirely true, but you increase that one player's odds of escape by sacrificing yourself. Objectively, a good killer deserves all the kills, but if there was shady behavior involved (and I'm not suggesting there always is) players as a whole like at least one person to escape someone like that.
I feel like you're trying to compare behavior like facecamping and abject tunneling to giving up so just one person gets away, and they are entirely different. It is by no means unfair or unsportsmanlike, since you are within the boundaries of the game, unlike a direct DC just to make it happen faster (and deny points to the killer).
Maybe people will argue that all behavior is within the confines, and to an extent I agree, but the desire for a teammate to achieve victory, and the act upon that desire, is not cheating the killer out of anything. If he wants 4k, he has to find player/hatch first.
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I use it much more since RoleQ. I main support, and if I see my DPS not being able to shoot worth a damn, or not switching as needed to counter what the enemy has (i.e. playing a Junkrat into a Pharah), they go on the avoid slot.
At my MMR, they aren't new players, so I give them less leeway. Now, I won't tell them to switch or what to do. Not my place. But I'll make sure not to team with them again.
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I get you, I just hate it when the DPS can't kill the enemy! I too am a support main, and there's nothing more frustrating than using the Mercy Blaster to do the DPS job, sometimes you have to. Then switch afterwards. Team loses healer but sometimes it's necessary.
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@Mochan I main Zenyatta, followed by Baptiste and then Moira.
It's frustrating when, as a Zen, I have gold elims and gold heals with silver damage.
Like, for one, what the hell is my healer partner even doing? For two, what is my DPS even doing?
Zen should never have gold heals unless he's partnered with Brigitte. 😂
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To OP:
I suggest your friend to play some killer. Not only is it better to not being immediatly turned into a survivor main by SWF, but killer is also way more chill at low ranks. Sure you will sometimes encounter derankers who demolish low ranks, but thats rather rare at brown ranks, and gets more common at green ranks.
Playing killer drastically improves your survivor gameplay. You learn about scratchmarks, you learn about what the killer can hear and what not. You learn about gen-placement, about the priorities of killers, their movement, their thoughts. But most importantly, you see how other survivors move. You see how they loop, you see how they do gens, you see how they path after they have done something, you see their perks, and how they affect the killer.
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