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Demogorgon weak at Rank 1 against 3000+ h survivors
I now have plenty of experience with this killer and have to say...
When playing at Rank 1 against swf with all meta perks, 3000h+ survivor only players who know how to bait the lunge, dodge it or dead Hard it and playing loops well so you can't lunge (no straight lines), round objects etc. he feels extremely underwhelming... just like a pure 115% M1 killer with gimmicky portals.
That is very disappointing and I wonder what the devs will do against the Rank 1 meta survivor lobbies...
Lobby dodging is not the right solution I think. There has to be done some balance according to the average rank in the lobby. Or else I will just derank or play survivor? But then when every killer does that? Game health?
Why has there been not even 1 (!) test in the PTB with different balancing in high ranks? I really wonder why the devs refuse to do something like that? The game is now out for 3 years :(
What do you think?
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You don't say
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These "every killer is strong if used properly"/ "every killer is F tier against top tier survivors" arguments needs to stop.
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giT GUd my guy
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Maybe they're a better Survivor than you are Killer 🤔.
Heaven forbid they're rewarded for playing better than you.
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Very productive comment..
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^
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I'm there, no problems at all, maybe cause I'm in console, I don't know, but actually the Demogorgon broke the God Tier loops and Pallets thanks to his lounge, the shack is the easiest loop of the game with him
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Only when survivors don't know how to loop him. It is the same thing with Clown, average survivors you stomp to the ground but against the best you have a very hard time.
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Maybe a killer dont have to 4k every match to be a decent killer.
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I mean, even Nurse and Spirit would be in trouble against such strong survivors as you say they are, I don't know what you expected from Demo.
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Every killer except nurse and spirit are weak against that lol
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I think Demo has a good map control, you just need to accept that he needs to lost a couple of minutes until the action begins. Try some perks like Thanato, Sloopy and pop to help you
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The Demogorgon was never going to be a high tier killer as soon as it's playstyle was revealed in the ptb. It's more of a green-purple rank killer.
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It is what it is, maps are the biggest issue in the game imo when talking about balance some are too big and others have too many safe loops that most of the m1 killers can't do anything about but pallet breaking simulator, but hey they are fixing them maybe by 2022 all the maps will be balanced for both sides....
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Every killer would have a problem against 3000+ Hour SWF Survivor teams....
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Uhm, against 3k hours survivors (those who are actually skilled and not just potatoes who played a lot and never git gud) there is only Nurse who can deal with that (and maybe spirit, but I can't tell since I never played much spirit against those hardcore survivors). And even as Nurse it's gonna be a really hardcore, stressful and very close match. So it's not a suprise that a killer who can get looped will not stand a chance against them. Even Billy can't do much and he is the 3rd best killer in the game.
However, I think demogorgon is still a very balanced and fun killer. At this point, the issue doesn't rely on demogorgon but more in genspeed because the only way to buff demogorgon to beat 3k hours sweaty survivors is by giving him the same power like Nurse.
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This is so dumb. How many games at rank are actually people who have played past 1k hours? Not very many because red ranks are very easy to get to. I mean half the red ranks I play with and against suck. Even if you did get a really good survivor, if they are doing solo and they have crap teammates than it doesn't even matter, just leave that good survivor alone and maul the others.
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Discussing which level of play the game should be balanced around is a genuinely interesting topic, but applying mechanical differences to the game based on the ranks in a lobby is an incredibly arbitrary and forced way of doing it.
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I mean every killer is gonna struggle against a Rank 1 SWF team, you’re not suppose to get 4ks against at team like that.
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Or maybe, and bear with me here, they're better at the game than you.
I know. Scary thought.
God forbid good Surviviors be rewarded for playing well.
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Ever thought that it is not granted to get 4Ks when playing against people with 3k+ hrs?
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What do you want devs to do against people that dedicated so much time to get very good at the game? To break into their homes and break their fingers?
If they are so good, you should get better or move on and enjoy the game as a casual (which is in general a good thing imo).
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Man, it must be rough facing the 1% of parties in an impossibly constant fashion.
The 4 man, try hard, meta perks, god looper swf arent that common.
So exaggerating your point just makes it look MORE like you just lose a lot and are unhappy about it.
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Im pretty sure its like that for every killer but nurse and playing a killer thats new no ones actually mastered i think its pretty obvious that you would lose.
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Well a new killer who you arent really versed with is not good against people playing much longer than yourself. Thats a scandal! How about learning how to play the killer right? How about not assuming you have to do 4k every game? Some people just dont get a hang how this game works.
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I honestly thought this was a joke post from reading the title.
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I just have a problem when you can't even pip with 2 kills and 8 hooks at red ranks. That feels just not rewarding. I don't have a problem with survivors being extremely good at loops (you can learn a lot from them!) but the survivor's objectives just goes too quick so you can't even breath in and out one time between chases to lower your blood pressure because suddenly there is only one gen left after 3 chases. 6-8 minute games with 6 minute lobby wait time is not ok IMO.
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Always talking 4k to avoid the subject i see. Of course we can't 4k every game everyone accept it i think, Killer getting looped for age even when playing at the highest skill cap possible that's simply not great. Survivors have fun and tell ez because they won against a weak killer or average. Once nurse come into the game everyone want nerf , I'm sorry but nurse is fair game against those survivors who gens rush and loop very well.
Springwood is a good exemple of what the game should be BALANCED.
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Everyone is free to an opinion, deal with it 😎
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Could you give any tips?
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Demo is mid-tier. He doesn't have the potential to win against good groups, just like the other mid-tier killers.
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His portals needs a buff
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If you mindlessy chase/hook chase/hook. Then yeah, pretty much everyone will. You have the portals and pounce to create pressure and force mistakes.
Hes really good.
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The devs will do nothing, they don't balance for Rank 1 wish they did but they don't.
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Any m1 killer is weak vs good survs
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His statement is true whether you like it or not. We aren't pessimistic people, we are people who actually play at rank 1 and know what works and what doesn't,
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I doubt that that's even 1% of parties. More like 0.001%.
How many survivors are there who even have 3000 hours in this game? And how many of them actually run meta perks? I bet most people who have that much time are bored of the meta and are running funny builds.
The complaint is ridiculous.
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I'm not hurting the game by telling the truth. Imbalance is what's hurting the game.
General advice for life, not only for DbD: It's a very bad thing to put blame on those who talk about problems, instead of acknowledging the problems and trying to find a solution.
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Just because you don't get these parties does not mean other's in other regions at other times do not all the time. Stop being so conceited to not being able to accept this fact.
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The devs actually have it set up so those survivors ALL go to him. The rest of us get NORMAL games while he gets games against mind reading wizards.
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The problem is, they don't even need 3k hours, an 800 hour survivor can loop non-nurse non-spirit killers endlessly with enough practice. I've had nothing but horrible games with Demo once I've reached purple ranks. Giant maps, unmindgamable loops, portals doing nothing because they're so easy to see, lunge does something, but it's not enough. I still get genrushed despite putting up pressure and having a gen protector build, so I switched to thana DL ruin pop, still does nothing. I'm gonna try the enduring + SF combo once I get it.
In my opinion, he's like Ghostface, where only half of his kit is useful. His portals need to be buffed to where they're less visible and he needs to be able to reset them, but in turn not be able to place them next to gates.
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EVERY killer besides Nurse and Spirit is weak against a lobby like that lol
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