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oh look, another legion thread!
i used to main legion back in the day, and i agree that legions ADDONS were a little (a lottle) rough to play against. but legion as a killer wasnt bad... so why destroy the killer and not the addons?
feral frenzy is sooooooo fun.... but the fact that its become borderline useless is really sad. i would like to see being able to use frenzy at any point of the gauge refill like before.
i would also like to be able to down someone with legions power. why can i prison shank someone over and over.... only to waste both my and the survivors time? really is a shame.
but i know the devs are super hesitant to buff legion... one wrong move and we have a repeat of what happened before (everyone crying that the legion is OP and DCing every game)
what would YOU (yes, you. you cutie) want to see the devs tweak?
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so you are saying the old moonwalk exploit was fun
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yes. thats what i said. that exploit was was made that killer fun. an oversight made everything good. mmhmm.
oh are we done being smart asses yet?
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They vault of windows and pallets sooooo slowly now. I'd really like to see that reverted. Oh and buttons should work for any feral frenzy hit, not just double hits.
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i agree 100% on the button thing. double hitting is counter intuitive for legion now. seeing as how the devs have made it 100% pointless to double tap in frenzy... the buttons being proc'd on a double hit is like a spit in the face to legion.
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the name is fitting
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who, me? i know right? ;D
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this is the kind of response i was looking for. an intelligent and serious reply, thank you <3
i think a lower TR would be nice.
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I think you are being summoned, seeing as this is a Legion thread.
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i dont know this person, but i welcome input!
let us summon @UlvenDagoth !!!
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- Take away the idiotic thing where you can't see blood and scratchies in FF
- Take away the punishment for missing you can have a short speed reduction or something for missing. The power isn't a lethal power so it shouldn't be punished so harshly for a mistake
- Increase FF movement speed on vaults and just in general it's way to slow currently in my opinion
- Mending needs some benefit other than making people hold m1 for longer. I'm not saying bring moonwalk back but it needs some benefit
- Reduce his TR back to 24
- Make some of his add-ons useful. Not old franks mixtape level but they need to be better
- Let him be able to toggle his power whenever again and not be restricted by a CD
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@UlvenDagoth made a HUGE topic on the Feedback section on how the Legion should/shouldn’t be tweaked. I’d recommend you to read it!
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I keep getting merciless killer with Legion with less effort than any of the other killers. They are not useless and have potential for high scoring games.
All killers can have bad games, but you can 4k and have high scoring games even when you do not. I even got Merciless with one person taking the hatch.
There has to be a balance and I think they got it right. Yes, you have to use add ons, but that is true for all killers if you are not making it hard on yourself on purpose.
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Sorry mate, you used the wrong incantaion. You got me instead.
*causes chaos among the forums*
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HELLOOO!!! I have arrived! I am.... The Fanatical Legion Main! Yes! I see someone mentioned my thread over in feedback about Legion reworks! We are up to 9 pages and it's thanks to people like you that we still get ideas! Here! https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/93454/the-one-stop-shop-for-legion-ideas-come-on-in-and-take-a-look/p1 come take a look!
Feral Frenzy is one of the MOST FUN THINGS in DBD to me! I love it so much and all of the reworks I approve KEEP that fun in it! I hated that darn exploit that LEgion used to have and hate it more now that it did this too them. Legion has been nerfed into the ground and there power even seems to work against them! We shouldn't stand for that! No Kilelr should make you feel like that guy in an anime taking off his weighted clothes while saying "I'm sorry Master, this time I must go all out." when you pick another Killer. It's so bad. The add-ons are also useless!
We should do our best to get them the love they need WHILE KEEPING the Soul of Legion! We have to show them that this is no place for Cowards! The "Rush Down" or "Blitz attack" gameplay is the best thing in DBD. I used to main Trapper back in 2016-2017 and finally quit in disgust (If you played during that time you know why). I even regretted buying DBD in the first place... but then I saw Legion. I loved the lore instantly, coming from a small town myself I could put myself more into the story, and the look of Legion was amazing too. I was disappointed in the trailer (one of the few I think) cause I didn't want a disguise Killer... but then I saw FF. I was amazed! It looked so fun! So i bought the WHOLE DLC (the only time i've done that, it helps I look like Jeff) and used FF the first time... and never have looked back. I'm The Legion, and proud of it!
Didn't you put this on my thread? If not can I snag that from you and credit you?
The add-ons suck and the power works against you! They are not okay at all! I'm in love with Legion and EVEN I CAN SEE THIS.
Oooh, might snag that too and credit you!
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Nope I haven't posted that on your thread you can snag it if ye want.
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I'm a cutie! <3
Buffed vault speed, buffed duration. Thats what i want.
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THANK YOU BOTH! *Legion Salute... which would be something with the knife... Blood on the Mask? I'll think about it*
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In my opinion, Legion and Wraith are the worst killers in the game.
Change my mind.
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I still think Clown is worse :/
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Simple
Reduce the TR of legion
Increase the vault speed and movement speed of frenzy
Make it to where you don't see pure darkness when exiting frenzy
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I'd like to see several changes reverted from the rework:
- I don't see why Legion cannot see blood or scratch marks in Frenzy, as they can't down with it anymore.
- Please make Frenzy faster... They nerfed the speed and removed the speed add-ons. You can easily be looped for the entire duration of Frenzy.
- Reduce the stun duration!!! I hate getting stunned for 4 seconds just for using my power. This is a big reason why Legion is not fun to play currently.
Aside from that, buff their add-ons for **** sake. 80% of them are useless, and the only good ones have number values so low it hardly makes a difference.
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Feral Frenzy should be a two hit down like any other Killer. That way, Survivors will learn their lesson.
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FF does not show blood pools or scratch marks so you do not randomly find Survivors you don't know are that when using FF for traversal. You are meant to have to make a concious decision to trigger FF to get someone you can see, or to traverse the map.
If someone is out in the open and you see them, whatever, that's their fault. :D
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I hate to be the newsbreaker, but Clown isn't anywhere near the bottom, friend.
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Of the tierlist? Yes, he is. He has zero map pressure and his loop cutoff is nice, but, it isn't enough and good Survivors can ignore it.
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That's a hard no. He's lower Mid-tier, but in no way bottom of the barrel bad. He has spotted map pressure, okei. He cuts off connected loops/short loops. But you cannot use the arguement "if he isn't good enough" because then one could just say, "If he's good enough" etc.
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The problem with that is you CAN'T use his power to traverse the map.
I can't find it but someone did the math in another thread comparing the distance between walking and using FF. Due to the stun FF actually made you just slower than walking around would've, post nerf. Except you're out of a power until it's recharged.
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He is low tier. He has ZERO map pressure. Jungle gyms are still brutal for him. He can shut down Killer shack and cow tree very well. Unfortunately, there is always another loop within running distance and eventually, he will have to reload his bottles.
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I think that this idea makes no sense in multiple ways.
1st: Legion's power without add-ons does NOT help you traversing the map, you actually get more distance by simply walking.
2nd: Why so many restrictions for a power that isn't lethal and has a really bad time catching survivors?
3rd: Having almost no restrictions in feral frenzy is what made pre-patch legion fun. Having almost no restrictions is very different from having no counterplay. Either way, the exploits and frank's mixtape needed to go.
4th: How can it be expected for a player to have fun with a power with a lot of restrictions, being able to use it from ages to ages. People might as well play clown, at least he is a pure m1 killer (like legion 90% of the time of all matches) with bottles in the mix.
Sorry if i was rude in any point.
This is my opinion and the opinion of some people in this discussion, I believe.
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Legion is the pinnacle of killer design. All killers should be reworked in this way.
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Hahaha funny Wraith with good addons can be a solid killer (depending on the skill of the player too) tbh Clown is way worse he doesn't have map pressure he is just a pure m1 killer with bottles
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Yeah seeing Clown in perspective he is EXTREMELY basic and very underwhelming without addons. If he was released today though I'm sure he'd have a power meter, so idk what's better.
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Wraith is my number one main out of my top three. I have personally over 1200 hours with him alone. In the hands of a capable player in Purple and above ranks, he can work out to good results. However, in Red Ranks, where SWF is dominant. Even with his addons (90% which are mediocre still, after 3 or so reworks.) A Wraith player has to work x20 harder then killers above him in tier. This is a opinion that is shared by most Red Rank killers and all the pro-Wraith players.
It's entirely possible to get Red Ranks alone with Wraith, however the percentage of those players are maybe %5 of the other killers in Red Ranks.
These aren't just opinions, they can, with proper time and collection of data, be proven.
Wraith has, and for the foreseeable future, will always be bottom tier. Sadly.
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Because I can- Genitals out for Legion!
*gunshot*
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Except that you can't use Feral Frenzy for map traversal. It's slower than walking because of the DS you have eat after using your power. Don't see why we couldn't at least see blood pools.
It is extremely easy to get Merciless with Legion. Frenzy allows you to stab survivors multiple times while the chase is going, giving huge benefits to emblems. Add that with gen slowing perks like Sloppy, Thana, and Dying Light and you could probably get Merciless without killing a survivor. Legion is one of the best killers for ranking up, but one of the worst for actually killing survivors and using their power effectively.
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That seems like a terrible idea from a design standpoint.
Especially when other powers that can be used as a traversal tool don't have the same drawbacks.
Spirit still see scratch marks and blood stains with an add-on
Nurse see scratch marks and blood
Hillbilly can see scratch marks and blood
All of these that I have mentioned or not only stronger traversal tools then feral frenzy as they allow you to move around faster but but they are also more lethal than feral frenzy.
Again for a design standpoint there is literally no reason why Legion shouldn't be able to see at least blood stains if you don't want to use scratch marks.
That is literally like saying Wraith can enter cloaked mode and because he moves faster so has better map traversal you might as well take away his ability to see scratch marks.
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Huh, that bit of insight actually explains a lot. I think I agree with Volfawott though - all of the other killer traversal powers don't have that drawback.
For example, The Spirit moves at something like 175% and can see scratch marks.
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