Removing a way to see other player's skill is a killing game move.

Surely anyone with any game knowledge whatsoever can tell another player's skill just by playing with or against them. The only people who should need an arbitrary number to know what another player's skill level is are those who are too new to worry about it.

Sounds like a win:win situation. More fun for everyone

Because the developers of those games decided they wanted to display ranks at the end of the game. It's that simple. That doesn't mean that it needs to be there, and it certainly doesn't mean that DBD necessarily ought to follow suit. Doing something just because another game did it, without any consideration for how it would work in the context of your game, is a disastrous way to go about designing one.

They have already killed the current ranking system.

You pass wind and pick your nose as survivor with multiple chances to FAIL MASSIVELY but still pip because the requirements are easy to get.

You make one mistake and sweat your nuts off as killer and get a black pip or depip if the survivors hold m1.

I would normally agree that seeing ranks is important to gauge whether matchmaking is working from a player perspective. However in Dead by Daylight this is an Asymmetrical game which is influenced too heavily by RNG. Because of that it's really unreliable to judge player skill in this game simply by their rank because a match can be swung in favor of one side with the simple placement of a map tile. Also considering there is only one killer per game and each one plays differently and there are so many perks and addons it's hard to say what the right way to play something is.

Game is too RNG to have accurate measurement of skill tbh. Also too many possibilities to measure from.

Yeah, exactly. You never really know. I want proof. As ######### as it is, but I want to see why devs wanted this player to play against me.

Then why not let us see it.

And skill rating is SUPPOSED to indicate skill level, thats all the more reason to show it to us.

Thats a valid tactic, isnt it? Hiding your real skill and making enemy underestimate you.

Without skill rating/ranks you would just think that you let someone go, while you actually got outplayed.

You never really know how good your enemies are...

If she played badly enough for you to think that, maybe she's not as good as she thought. Or maybe, as Archimedes suggested, she was playing badly on purpose, to make you think that she was worse than she was. Either way, she was playing badly, and the only reason her rank didn't reflect that is because, as we've established, the current ranking system doesn't reflect players' demonstrated skill level very accurately.

Ugh.. Im not talking about hiding ranks, Im talking about hidin the new Skill Rating or whatever.

There is nothing that explains that in the post.

Im sorry I think we miscomunicated.

I think I also already explained why players seeing ranks is important.

Yes, you did. Thank you for taking the time to explain your views so thoroughly. But since we've both stated our opinions and are in danger of going around in circles if we continue much further, how about we agree to disagree and leave it at that? 😊

I agree, and I think Overwatch has the right idea. No algorithm is ever going to be able to account for all variables, so I personally feel that the only solution is to forget about the variables and base MMR solely on kills or escapes. Yes, you might get screwed over by RNG or bad teammates, but ultimately, if a player is good enough, they will win more often than not in spite of all that.

There are plenty of highly successful games, with a lot of variables involved and, in some cases, a lot of RNG - League, Overwatch, Hearthstone, to name a few - in which the MMR system is based purely on victories and defeats, and it still works perfectly well for that exact reason.

Feel like one of DBD's biggest problems with ranking is the safety pip. Often times, when you win you pip up, but when you lose... how often are you losing rank? Typically the only time people are only losing meaningful rank is during rank reset, which is where this whole rank doesnt equal skill but rather time played thing comes from. With Overwatch, im likely to gain a little bit of rank points and lose a little bit of rank points all night long. I could play for hours and only see a higher rank at the end of the night if I won more games than I lost. With dbd... thats not the case. You win, you rank up. You lose, that safety pip is there so you dont feel bad about it.

Thats why the majority of people who play Overwatch are playing in gold (a rather modest rank) while the majority of DBD's playerbase is at purple if not red. When you play a game of Overwatch, you're not gonna see a top 500 player smashing your gold game. When you play a game of DBD, you can very easily see the top players matched with the average ones who for some reason are the same exact rank because theres no rank further to go after red...which the majority of ppl are at.

I don't mind the safety pip, but I think like many things in DBD's ranking system, it just doesn't do what it was designed to do. The safety pip is supposed to indicate that you're at the right rank. You performed as expected for someone of your rank - you didn't do badly enough that the game thinks you should be ranked lower, but you didn't do well enough to demonstrate that you've improved. However, the safety pip is simply too easy to achieve a lot of the time. As the name implies, it's functionally a safety net, not an estimation of skill.

Part of the problem comes from the misconception with DBD that a lot of people have that if you didn't pip, you're doing something wrong. And I think the fact that players are shown their rank progression after each match has a big part to play in creating that mindset. There is no expectation in games like Overwatch that every player should be able to reach top ranks, but because pipping is so easy in DBD, and because people see themselves safety pipping or depipping and feel like it means they're bad, there is a general notion in DBD that anyone who isn't at top ranks is a bad player. And the safety pip is partially to blame for that, but I think the culture surrounding ranks is just as much of an issue.

Go for it! 😊

Why do you want to see peoples rank after game is over? Makes 0 sense.

#1

"Going forward, we will use a hidden skill rating for matchmaking purposes. Your skill rating will increase when you do well and decrease when you do poorly. To keep this as fair as possible, the system will predict the outcome of the match based on the difference in your opponent(s) rating and adjust the amount your rating changes: 

• If your rating is higher than your opponent(s), your rating will increase less if you win and drop more if you lose. 
• If your rating is lower than your opponent(s), your rating will increase more if you win and drop less if you lose. 

This way, even if you aren’t perfectly matched with people of the exact same skill level, your rating will not change unfairly."

#2

"Currently, our matchmaking system takes the player in queue and looks for a match close to their rank. If it is unable to find an appropriate match, it will gradually expand the search range until it is able to give you a match. This can lead to both unfair matches and long queue times."

In A Nutshell . . .

#1

Hidden skill rating. So many reasons, aka excuses for this being hidden. Skill rating is just a number after all, but so is your rank. That big colorful number that meant so much to the community often touting how it proves x, y, z.

What will players show as proof now of their amazing skillfulness to kill or survive OR of how terrible matchmaking remains? According to the developers post there won't be any proof . . of anything.

"To avoid confusion, we are considering removing ranks from the post-match scoreboard once testing is complete, as they will no longer be relevant to matchmaking. Ranks will remain visible only to you for bragging rights and a goal to work towards, but will be a reflection of your dedication to the game rather than skill for the time being."

Ask yourself: Who does hiding information benefit? Without anything to reference players can no longer storm the forums in outrage with proof of the terrible job the developers are doing with matchmaking.

Have a terrible game? You must have been matched poorly.

Have a great game? You must be the best of the best.

It's all in your head now. And that's the way they want it.

#2

Currently, our matchmaking system takes the player in queue and looks for a match close to their rank.

• As it should. Makes sense.

If it is unable to find an appropriate match, it will gradually expand the search range until it is able to give you a match.

• Sounds like the reason for your unfair matchmaking right there.

This can lead to both unfair matches and long queue times.

• Takes forever to find an unfair match "Woohoo!"

How players attain rank is the problem. As countless members within these forums have stated for the longest time. It is TOO EASY for survivors to rank up. Supposedly (can't prove) there are too many high (red rank) survivors?! This can explain why there are so many high (red/purple) ranks in every killer match.

So . . Why isn't this new hidden mmr not going to fix matchmaking? Because they haven't addressed how survivors rank up . . .

SWF

The same issue with ranked matchmaking will be the exact same within the upcoming hidden mmr. SWF not being ranked on individual skill, at least much less than individual solo skill, will undoubtedly carry a large pool of players to ranks they should not be within.

This creates the exact same issue the current . . visible . . . matchmaking has now.

Conclusion . . .

As usual with most overhauls of certain playable character or game mechanics this is yet another change that serves the developers agenda and or at a much less extent the players themselves.

This entire 'change' soul reason for being implemented is to finally have a reason/excuse to hide ranks or any information given to players in relation to the matchmaking system.

P.S. Mentioning SWF is in no way to attack that feature. It is here, it isn't going anywhere. Fact is that it has a massive impact on any type of matchmaking. I doubt it can or will ever be remedied.

Hey, since we can't see if it is affecting mmr anyway I guess we will never know. /s

This, you make a good point 😁

I'm sure if they want our feedback on the finer points of how the system operates, they'll give us the information we need to do so. But the point of good matchmaking is to enhance player enjoyment. And we can tell them just from our own experience whether we are enjoying being matched with the teammates/opponents that we are. We don't need to see all the numbers for that.