Real talk: Legion hate

While it's not exactly that fun (for the survivors or the killer in my opinion) to just make people hold M1 more with their power I honestly feel some of it is just leftover hatred from before the rework, and the follow-up controversy with the infinite mending bug didn't help in that regard.

I don't mind Legion, in my anecdotal experience Legion players tend to be pretty adept at mindgames like many M1 killer mains which is something I always enjoy on either side, I like outsmarting people and getting outsmarted 🙂

I like legion. I don't like Doctor or Hag.

Legion needs Hillbilly's chainsaw, then people would like him more.

Actually, give Hillbilly a legion mask cosmetic.

Most people hate legion for their power, it’s not strong but it’s very annoying and just forces more sit and hold M1. That and people still hate legion for how they were in the past, sometimes when playing i’ll get “still playing that broken killer” and stuff like that. For me I like playing as and against legion but I do get why people don’t like them.

I love the look, movement, mori, and cosmetics of legion so I keep playing them. As a survivor I like being chased by them for how realistic it is, being chased by a giant flower (sorry bb demo) doesn’t scare me like legion does. I don’t get any “f**k you for playing legion” or anyone trash talking me for playing them but I get whoever says it’s annoying.

Bottom line is Legion is a popular killer and actually liked a lot but gameplay wise it can be boring to most. They’re in desperate need of an overhaul to FF but keep the vaulting because that’s what makes them unique. More diversity in voices would be nice too, it’s sad Joe and Susie didn’t get their own.

The expected amount being three players, yet you 'data' shows five?

umm... that’s if you ever MAKE it to a pallet with legion sprinting at your ass. And because you don’t want to heal everyone is at 1 hit the whole game, grunting in pain if they don’t have iron will, and feeding into Thanataphobia. Also, he often hits through the pallet, getting to get off with a weaker stun because pallet stun isn’t as long AND he lands the hit anyways.

You could take advantage of the feeled 4 hour stun after frenzy from the Legion. Just be warned, a pallet drop reduced his stun, so don't drop pallets on a Legion in frenzy.

While the Legion is in frenzy, he can't really harm you, since dw is not a vital abilitie - aka. a abilitie who could potentially put you down.

"Learn to drop" does not mean "dropping wily nily"

It means knowing when to drop and when not

Honestly, oni is what legion should have been. A burst of speed that downs people. Not injures. Downs.

Not sure whats that supposed to mean.

That you dont need to learn when to drop pallets and you are dropping them randomly because "killers are not bots" or what.

I didn't think the rework was a nerf, in fact with every patch I feel Legion has gotten better.

The thing with legion, as it seems to me at least, is that the way to play him is counter intuitive. He seems on the surface to be a kind of rushdown high-octane killing machine, when in reality his strength is in the nuance and not the presentation.

For example, using feral frenzy you can determine the position of every survivor, play around certain safe pallets, either make survivors waste time healing or encourage them not to heal, and if the situation allows it you can body block, fake out survivors to catch them out of position etc. None of this really feels like "feral frenzy", but its what you can do using his power.

Is he a really strong killer? I don't think so, but he isn't weak by any means either. People's main complaint with him seems to be that at the core he is just an m1 killer, but unlike all other m1 killers, you only have to m1 once rather than twice if you play your cards right.

I don't know why this comparison isn't made more to be honest, but the killer he is most similar to is the plague, they both seemed to be built around the same design philosophy of negating the initial health state of all survivors, and the plague really just seems to be a more refined design of that philosophy, which makes sense as she came out right after.

Personally I love the legion, they're one of my favourite killers to play. I love m1 killers in general, and when I play legion I feel a bit stronger than some of the others, if only for the fact that I only have to do a "traditional DBD mindgame" once instead of twice per chase.

My problem with Legion is how unnecessary frustrating they are to play. Yes, they have their strengths and they are not literal trash, but even in their best moments, when they are at their most fun, they are still just a shadow of the fun that you had when playing Old Legion. Because before, they felt fast, like you were in a frenzy , but now? Now they just had too many restrictions to their powers to capture that same feeling, something your powers hinders you more than it helps you, you don’t feel powerful while using it.

And I know, that is because Legion now is a different type of Killer, but I still think that is an inferior, less fun and boring Killer. Yes, Old Legion was broken, and it need a fix, but they could have done much better than this in my opinion. I remember people posting tons of interesting ideas for their rework, to make them fair and fun for both sides and still capture the spirit of the killer, but in my opinion, the devs did the minimum that they could have done to “fix” them, and because they seem content with what that, we have now a more generic Killer.

But really, what bothers me the most that all of those restrictions were there to fix the issues with Old Legion, but despite the character changing so much that it can not be played like Old Legion at all, those restrictions still exist, and could be taken away and Legion would still be balanced.

Nah. I still play Legion commonly. His power is tweaked, but honestly still works well enough in the same way to be effective.

Smack someone, if other people nearby, smack them too, and repeat, or if no other people nearby (or the last person who you haven't smacked) commit the chase and down them. Hook and then the other survivors are left with a choice, heal first and save (which is time consuming considering Sloppy is a must on Legion) or go to unhook while injured. If nobody else is injured, it puts people in a closer section to try to frenzy hit them and injure and repeat.

As a killer the Legion punishes heals because of how fast and easy it is to reinjure and yet requires being healed otherwise that M1 is just as effective as any other instadown power.

Legion doesn't have a braindead power. While it gives instant locating abilities, if you can't counter loops or catch people, you will suffer for it. Survivors can fit into 3 main categories when it comes to views on Legion.

1. Whack, mend, heal, repeat. It stalls the game since you waste time healing, making it annoying.

2. Whack, mend, fail loops, get hooked, repeat. Legion is just unfun as they force injuries on people and it makes me play injured. Ok. Plag does the same thing.

3. Whack, mend, do just fine injured. The rare one, but the people who just play injured with no issue. I'm one of these. I run Iron Will and Dead Hard for 2 of my perks, being injured doesn't exactly bother me.

You can reaction 360 and just let the animation enchancement do the job for you.

Or just let yourself get hit and go back to doing gens

Sure you get the first free hit, but then what? You say that people who play Legion can't win chases normally yet they literally have to chase the survivors more normally than every other killer in the game to get a down because Legion's power doesn't win chases. Wraith and GhostFace get free hits all the time but nobody complains about that aspect of those killers. Myers can hit you with tier3 from out of nowhere and there's nothing you can do about it. If you're injured against a Spirit with Stridor there's absolutely no counterplay there it's a complete guessing game. It's not just Legion who gets free hits or downs (they can't even do the latter for free unless you're bad at running killers).