A solution to body blocking

@SaltyKiller said:
I like my solution more because that completely shuts it down.

Name me one slasher movie where the killer picks someone up and everyone just runs up to them, teabags, and body blocks them.

Plus, I make you a bet that even if you made it so you could hook from any direction a 3 guy team could still block it.

Dead by daylight is it's own unique game. This is not based on a horror movie and it doesn't have to follow the rules of classic horror films. Don't expect body blocking to be removed.

I don't like this idea at all, hook blocking's a mechanic that should stay.

I'm not convinced body blocking needs to be changed at all.

@SaltyKiller said:
Yes, another thing Killer's should have because it's beyond stupid that Survivors can body block with impunity, not unless you're EW3 Myers but I'll get to that later.

Solution: the instant a Killer picks up a Survivor, now their attack instant downs. It's more than fair considering that the Killer moves slower. Survivors can still save with a flashlight or pallet. But now they can't troll the Killer and the little conga line blocking the hook completely goes away.

Please don't make this a perk just make it a base ability. Thank you.

I've had this exact idea. A great one indeed; I would think it's pretty fair.

Hmm let me give my two cents on the topic: Bodyblocking is a tactical advantage that a survivor should have at their disposal. They get hit for the prospect of delaying the killer for a set amount. The problem, I suppose that comes from the concept, comes from two ways. Often getting hit isn't too big of a negative in the given situation, and body blocking a killer rarely takes finesse. Oneshoting survivors while carrying a victim seems like an over correction, too much potential to be abused with carrying specific perks such as agitation and iron grasp. The cleanest way to remedy this would be to allow hooking from all directions of the hook. It still allows for bodyblocking to a degree, but now it takes more skill and coordination to pull off successfully.

Yeah, it's not like Survivors have Self Care and it only takes about 10 seconds to fully heal... Not to mention that they will heal at a safe pallet or loop spot.

It takes a lot more than 10 seconds. Then get rid of the safe spot and down them? This has been in for ages and especially with the use of Nurses actually presents huge opportunities for the killer to mindgame survivors in this situation. Often you catch survivors healing each other and this gives even more map pressure.

Hitting them isn't going to delay them and helps them if you're carrying someone because -GUESS WHAT?- that means you don't get a hook and can't get momentum from that.

What? Of course hitting them delays them because they spend ages self healing or searching for a team mate to do so for them. Hooking is not the only way to gain momentum as a killer.

If you are a distance from the hook while carrying someone over to it then just one body block means that they get away. Basically you're saying this:

"I love it when I spend a minute or more chasing a Survivor, downing them, trying to get them to a hook, get denied by a body block, but I got one hit on one guy, but then I get stunned and now all of them run away from me. And now, I have to find them again, try to down them, all while dealing with pallets and loops while gens are getting done. That's fine."

While they are bodyblocking and running from you they are losing time. You are stunned for a few seconds at most and will literally turn around and immedietely resume the chase. You make it sound like they are immortal of something. The chances of a hook being so far away that only one bodyblock is needed is so rare anyway which you must know if you play a lot of killer so you are presenting a false picture here.

The mental gymnastics from you people... I'm going to make a guess
that you only main Survivor and are fervently against any changes to the hatch (The last guy should get away for free!), to DS (Everyone deserves a Get Out Of Jail For Free Card!), and Adrenaline (Being fully healed, getting a sprint burst, and getting up after being downed is FAIR!).

You are being extremely tedious. In fact I play far more killer than survivor but I am fed up with people who 'main' killer whinging all the time about mechanics that have always been in the game and can actually benefit them if they took a moment to think about what they are doing.

Adrenaline is a one time use perk and only if the exit gates get powered. If you think that games hinge on single perks then you are simply wrong and need to change your outlook. I could count on one hand the number of times a survivor has gotten real use out of Adrenaline in my games in the past month of games.

DS is just DS we have to suck it up..at least they are reviewing it with regards to a change.

Instead of spending your time acting like the victim why not actively seek ways to improve your own gameplay and make it harder for survivors and think about how their apparent advantages can be turned against them. We literally just got handed a perk that slows down survivor healing inside the TR massively further strengthening perks that can be used in conjunction with it and also make taking hits on the way to the hook less desirable.

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Jack11803 said:

@ThePloopz said:
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He complained about misuse of downvotes, then just goes through and downvotes every reply I made to him.

He’s a SaltyKiller what do you expect lol 🤔 I wonder if someone on here is named toxic survivor? 

"Impunity" is a debatable term.
Bodyblocking still requires you to take a hit and commitment, since you're not repairing while you're blocking. So it's not free, especially since it takes several survivors in most cases to actually get a grab rescue, which means several hits, and no many generator repairs.

Also, if you consider the current hook amounts, it's usually fine, except in some rare extreme case of survivors running in corners, allowing another survivor not to get hooked with a single bodyblocker, possibly.

@Jack11803 said:
@Steebear

He’s already lost, in almost all cases, a fellow killer would come to aid, but not here, he was simply, utterly wrong. Probably done replying, only thing he could reply with is more “you are wrong, I’m right”. Probably just gonna crop dust ya with downvotes

Yes I have up voted your posts to equal out his need to press the down vote button each time ^^

Steebear said:

I don't believe that for a second. If you do use Killer, it's probably very brief at low ranks and in KYF.

More straw man arguments. Do you proof read any of this before you post it? You don't believe me? On what evidence? That I have an opinion that is different to yours and well argued? This is now verging on embarassing for you. I don't play any KYF as killer and I reach the red ranks as killer each month, I am sat at rank 5 now and even uploaded two videos of last nights game play against a load of rank 2 players. You need to stop with these straw man arguments where you assume things you don't actually know...it makes you look REALLY foolish.

But the point is that your wrong. Your opinion is wrong.

It isn't wrong and I have provided ample argument to show that. That you refuse to acknowlede any of it is not my problem.

Get hit, run to a safe pallet spot and heal up for 10-15 seconds. Not a big deal. If the Killer comes over they still have to deal with the pallet(s) and loops*. Plus you ignore my point that by hitting that Survivor who is body blocking the Survivor the Killer was carrying GETS AWAY AND THE KILLER DOESN'T GET A HOOK. And you need to get a hook or at least slug someone in order to build that momentum because it doesn't take long for those gens to get done.

I already addressed this but you refuse to acknowledge that there are other ways to gain pressure without having to hook every time. I would explain further but I am sorry to say you strike me as someone who won't ever listen to arguments against your position ever and just attack them instead.

And since you defend Adrenaline (as I predicted) it's obvious no sense of reason will ever get through to you. If you think Adrenaline that fully heals them, gets them up after being downed, PLUS gives them a sprint burst is fair then we're done.

You didn't predict anything you just spouted a load of nonsense about how overpowered a survivors perk was and I informed you how ridiculous the argument was. I adressed this, I told you how often it actually gives a real advantage and you have made the same point yet again. Just re-read what I wrote before.

"B-b-but it only kicks in when all the gens are done! REE!"

Yes it does...and then they need to be injured/downed or hooked to get anything other than a 5 second sprint with a huge exhaustion CD. What is it about this that is so difficult for you to understand?

Yeah and if they're SWF it's very easy to coordinate. Especially if there's one gen left then the guy with Adrenaline will distract the Killer as everyone else gets that gen done. Not to mention that if you hook them, all the gens get done, and that guy gets rescued he still gets Adrenline. Putting them on the hook doesn't take that away from them like it should at the very least.

If it is SWF then it is SWF, what is it you are expecting people to say? We all know that there is nothing you can do against well organised ones but you need to try and understand that they cannot balance the game against SWF and leave it balanced for all the solo players. This isn't rocket science.

*Just another note because I know a guy will eek out of the woodwork defending that by saying "Oh well, there might not be any pallets or loops for them to run to!" Wrong again. Newest Survivor has a perk that allows you to see where every pallet is. Not to mention that if you, as Killer, destroyed tons of pallets that's still a lot of time being wasted destroying around 15-20 pallets. And if you're doing that, even if you're lucky and dealing with a bad Survivor who isn't looping and just chucking pallets and running to the next one, you're wasting valuable time and still haven't gotten someone on a hook.

Survivors that just chuck pallets and allow you to remove them from the map are a dream come true for a killer. Makes the end game incredibly dangerous for them. I am sorry but you come across as someone who instead of watching some good killer videos or streams (of which there are plenty) you have fixed your mindset that survivors are uncatchable gods who have a neverending supply of pallets and loops and never make mistakes. This just isn't the case at all and I have to question your methods if this is your experience. It suggests you are being to predictable.

My advice is you do a bit of reading and watching so you can see how to counter this stuff. I have never suggested killer is easy but it isn't nearly as brutal as you are making out.

Well done 👍 

Here's the thing you might not be considering though, when these little survivors are running around trying to block you and save their friend, they're letting you get free hits and they're not working on gens.

Now, even if they save their friend, they all have to run off and waste more time healing, while you have 2,3 or even 4 injured survivors to chase. That extends the duration they aren't doing gens, increases the amount of pallets used up, and increases your chances of winning.

We've seen in past meta's that when you reduce a survivors options to help their allies, they stop taking the risks and just focus on generators.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a game last longer, with more survivor injuries, than a game where I easily get someone to a hook, but all the other survivors are gen rushing.

Have you tried hitting the survivors?

@ASpazNamedSteve said:
@SaltyKiller I didn't say I've never seen it happen, I said I very rarely see it happen successfully.

The reason I bring up 'playing it correctly' is because you have quite a few options at your disposal when you face bodyblockers, it's just up to you to decide which is the best course of action. These include: just hitting them if they're close enough + hooking, changing hook if another one is close enough and you see they are ready to block the other one, drop the survivor, or just don't pick them up in the first place and slug. People get really salty over slugging but it's a very strong tactic in certain situations.

And yeah, I stick by thinking body collision in this game is a really good thing. I enjoy it. I'm glad I at least gave you a good laugh though

You have much the same experiences as me and it sounds like we can both read the situation and adapt accordingly. This is apparently not the case for all killers though.

@SaltyKiller said:
Yes, another thing Killer's should have because it's beyond stupid that Survivors can body block with impunity, not unless you're EW3 Myers but I'll get to that later.

Solution: the instant a Killer picks up a Survivor, now their attack instant downs. It's more than fair considering that the Killer moves slower. Survivors can still save with a flashlight or pallet. But now they can't troll the Killer and the little conga line blocking the hook completely goes away.

Please don't make this a perk just make it a base ability. Thank you.

Terrible idea and I'm a killer main.

People would run agitation and if you didn't know, agitation allows you to outrun survivors while carrying someone. So if anyone is within roughly 10 seconds of the downed person, they are basically guaranteed to be downed ( unless a pallet is around or w/e )