Lets not pretend NOED isn't a reward for bad killers

I disagree based on the devs own idea of two kills and two escapes as the norm. This means that in a perfect world through devs eyes, 5 gens will be done every game.

This means Noed isn't for bad killers but just par for the course since all gens should be done no matter what, meaning survivors should always assume it's in play. Do some bad killers use it to get kills they otherwise wouldn't have, yes. However it's not like good killers can't use it for backup when gens get done even though they played well. I don't care if you're a god tier killer, you're going to have games where all the gens are finished sometimes.

Also, plenty of perks give you info and other stuff for free without having to "earn" it anyway.

Make it so DS has multiple uses and deactivates after a survivor performs any action but vaulting and throwing down pallets and I will gladly take it.

NOED is a punishment for you not doing totems. DS is meant to be a punishment for the Killer tunneling survivors, but at the moment is a punishment for the Killer hooking survivors in general. If you've got time to do gens or heal, you're not being tunneled.

DS also can't be deactivated by literally just holding a button for 14 seconds.

NOED is a high risk, high reward perk, like all Hex perks. With it, you essentially only have 3 perks until the Endgame. Survivors have a method of disabling NOED from the beginning of the trial without completing their primary objective and its effects are only present at the trial's end. If a survivor finds the totem, you only have 3 perks total throughout the trial.

DS is a low risk, high reward perk. The Killer has no method of disabling it from the beginning of the trial without completing their primary objective and its the presence of its effects are at the survivor's discretion. If you use it early or mid game, you force the Killer to waste time by either avoiding you in a chase, slugging you (which opens up the possibility of Unbreakable or being revived by teammates), or eating the stab. If you use it at Endgame, you can very well reward your entire team with an opportunity to escape the trial as the killer takes the stun. DS has an incredible amount of benefits over NOED and has practically no downsides for doing so, outside of having 3 perks for the entire game should you choose to use it early on.

So your calling the survivors who use ds noobs?

In the words of The Trapper.

"Maybe you do bones next time"

You don't have to do every single hex totem to deactivate NOED. Use your eyes and find the one that's burning. If you aren't doing the totems until the Endgame, that is 100% your fault. You're not "handing the Killer free time", you're fulfilling your secondary objective and not just unga bunga'ing through your first. God forbid you actually have to use some brain cells and strategize in a match.

The issue with DS is that you will run into it even if you're not tunneling. Survivor gets unhooked, you chase the unhooker and down them and hook them. You run into the survivor who got unhooked who is now working on a gen and you are forced to slug them because they still have DS even though you weren't tunneling anyone. And because DS lasts 60 seconds and the time for a lone survivor to complete a generator without a toolbox is 80 seconds, they can very well do an entire gen with a teammate while also having a get out of jail free card if the Killer dares to pull them off of it.

i don't really have a problem with noed or ds. but like you said ds has the potential to be abused which is when i have a problem with. and when there is a game mechanic that can be abused, players will abuse it.

NOED is a risk v reward perk as most totems someone will walk past. If it activates and you walked past one then you do only have yourself to blame.

If the killer isn't playing that well or versing those better then the survivors should have lots of time to do the totems and still escape easily.

The perk is in the survivors hands wether or not it can activate. I wouldn't say it rewards bad killers but instead rewards a killer for a lack of survivors forward planning.

It comes down to having the same mindset as a few other perks. If everyone went in always expecting it then its rare it will activate.

I love these kinds of posts, they always make me laugh/cringe since the OP's usually don't understand the fundamental flaw in their logic:

"NOED doesn't reward killers for playing poorly, it rewards killers for survivors laziness."

There are 5 totems in each map, and each totem takes a base of 12 seconds to cleanse making the maximum total cleansing time for 1 survivor 60 seconds of the match. What's more, the totems reward 1k-1.5k in BP for cleansing, the majority of maps make their whereabouts easy to spot, survivors have multiple perks and tools that will reveal totem locations/incentivize them to cleanse totems, and there are 4 survivors that can each cleanse a totem at any given time making the hunt for totems much less time consuming than the max possible 60 seconds.

So with all of this working against NOED, why does it ever get a chance to activate at all, much less in SO MANY GAMES that survivor mains come to the forums almost daily to blast the devs with complaints about it?

Answer: Survivors are too lazy to be bothered with "Doing Bones."

They'd rather focus on the core objective instead of taking a few seconds off of it to prevent a killers perk that has the potential to wipe them all out in the last 2 minutes of the game. You can't blame Killers for taking advantage of survivors laziness at all when It's so easy to prevent, and yet it's still public enemy No.1 to all survivors because of how effective it is when it gets to activate, but in truth, the survivors only have themselves to blame if it does. The average Trial last for 10 mins, and they can't afford to spend 12-24 seconds per survivor to ensure a stronger chance of escaping just in-case the killer has it? With NOED becoming increasingly more prevalent since the Ruin nerf, It's a wonder why the survivors haven't adapted to expect it! Even if you/your team manages to cleanse all of the dull totems against a killer that doesn't have it, with the BP you gain, and knowledge that you are playing it "better safe than sorry", what genuine reason do you have to avoid doing it? I'm not really sorry to say this but, survivors, you reap what you sow... and that's the point of NOED.

Please stop coming to the forums all butt-hurt and demanding nerfs just because you and your team were just too damn lazy.

@kate_best_girl you contradict yourself. You say take the knife and DS needs to be nerfed. Pick a point.

And this is simply your opinion, not everyone's and not the only truth. Take it as slowdown perk. If you don't take the slowdown, you gotta take the NOED. Same on Plague addon for example. If you don't cleanse, you risk to expose your aura all the time. That's why builds are hidden. And if you say "take the knive" btw you can't complain about NOED. Same argumentation on both sides but different outcome? K, cherry picking I guess.

And not "every experienced killer will take the stun". An experienced killer will read the situation and know if a DS will stop his pressure and flip the coin. And DS takes 120 seconds to deactivate. It triggers twice. And knowing of DS it can affect your gameplay by knowing that you are invulnerable, it is not a wasted perk slot if it does not trigger. If you don't take advantage of that, it is your fault. Btw if one person runs DS or whatever obsession perk, even if noone runs it but the killer has one, the killer needs to play around that for every survivor. The pure existence of the perk in the game affects almost all killer games. I know that the same counts for NOED, just want to make sure you are aware of that effect of DS.

As summary to this: you just pick whatever you want to see, there is completely no reflection or bigger sight on anything in what you write. It's like when you had to take a body block, you just see that you are injured now, and not that the other survivor is still just injured and not downed, so this scene is a loss for you. And most of your arguments are just randomly thrown in, not even related to each other. Concluding: if you just want to hate NOED, pls don't try to argue that everyone has to agree to your opinion. You got enough arguments back which you just ignore. This is not a base for a discussion