Easy fix for SWFs: Slow then down like Thana

The only problem with this is if its a 4man and the person already has thana thats massive slowdown (which not all 4mans are godly)

Like survivors trying to defend the indefensible. A classic

You seem to trivialize the power a simple 'killers on me' to your group has. You don't need to be a 'highly coordinated squad' to completely dominate a killer. This isn't about 'getting punished for playing with your friends,' this is about balance. But seeing as survivor fun prioritizes that, or even killer enjoyment, you keep thinking that.

@Rivyn

The game has evolved and SWF isn’t that reliant anymore. There are so many tracking perks they have introduced that completely negates the only counter survivors really had when they don’t have information on where the killer might be: immersion.

Also the buff to stealth killers which to me where the ones who were suffering the most has made it near impossible to be able to confidently say “they are on me”. Sometimes that actually costs the team time because someone might say that and then realize the killer actually switched and now the person working on the gen isn’t safe anymore.

The game is a lot easier for killers now more than ever.

The changing of targets (be it a stealth killer or not) at best will confuse the group for max of 10 seconds. The information will be relied instantly to the rest of the group anyway, giving heads up to the other 1-3 survivors.

Thats a lot of valuable information, even if slightly delayed. Working on a gen with killer chasing someone close by is always a risk of killer switching targets anyway, in most cases remember that SWF teams usually have more survivors being able to observe what killer does than just the guy who is being chased, thus removing a lot of mind games or potential ambushesand often removing the power of splitting pressure.

SWF does indeed need a nerf, or rather having heavy tweaks and implementing various limitations (i.e. Not being able to use aura reading perks that do reveal killer's aura or his belongings), slowing down the progress done by them isnt a solution either, remember that 3 man swf also comes with 1 solo survivor. Direct nerfs to performance of swf group impacts also solo survivors in the game and trust me, facing 4 man swf is as annoying and disgusting as being the solo survivor in a lobby of 3 man swf.

I am in the progress of writing my 2,5k hour feedback that bases my observations, experience and suggestions on my play time since day 1 of dbd release and some from beta gameplay videos.

Game isnt in a healthy state and needs various changes to certain aspects that were either not changed since their introduction or are misunderstood by bhvr. The elephant in the room is indeed the SWF, it is the major source of balancing issues and the bigger reason why our community is so toxic (i.e.the bigger the group the bigger entitlement is, it is proven by dbd or my own experience of me playing with my friends in many different games).

Woah, slow down there buddy.

You talkin too much of that logic speak. We don't do that here.

Hate counters logic and they don't actually care about the solo survivor experience or how ridiculous their numbers are in the first place for how much they want to slow down SWF groups.

Doing a gen with 35% action speed would mean that a gen takes more than three minutes when you are working on it alone, right?

That's just crazy.

Also, as other people already pointed out: Not every SWF is the same, an low rank SWF or an swf without comms is not the same like a sweaty rank 1 SWF. Punishing them all is not fair and won't improve the game.

I personally think they should change object and some other perks like ds, so that they are less abusable in a SWF (and in general).

Scott's Trial Warmup also sounds like a good idea, so it would be interesting to test that.

But I'm pretty sure, that general SWF nerfs across all ranks and players will do more bad than good.

I have no idea why you said that, as I never said all SWFs are using comms or playing in a way that could be considered annoying or abuse the balancing of the game.

But due to you mentioning it, you need to understand the issue we are dealing with here. Not all who use SWF are using comms or abuse balance flaws but all who do use comms and skew said flaws in their favor are indeed using the SWF. Thats the problem.

SWF by itself isnt a problem, it just allows you to play with specific people, even though it is against lore (unless recently introduced into tomes) or initial concept of the game. That feature just allows people to actually DO abuse game design of dbd to their favor, such as gaining unfair advantage over opposing party.

Just because you or some other party doesnt try to use power of communication to skew the already shaky balancing of dbd, doesnt mean there arent people who dont do it, as a matter of fact a lot do it, just as a lot want to just mess around or play with pals without comms.

The issue still is there, swf is open to the abuse of game's mechanics and that should be adressed without completely destroying it.

Play with friends

problem solved

@PureHostility

According to you which exactly are these abused mechanics that swf players are abusing?

How am I trolling? You are literally trying to punish people for playing with their friends.

Terrible Idea!

Not everyone plays in swf though. Some people are just good. I've gotten msg from killers saying good teamwork with your swf and I'd flat out state I wasn't in one. 9/10 I'm playing solo. Swf isn't a problem, it's just that some people are good and some aren't.

If actions were tweaked to be a little more interesting than holding R1 on a gen and hoping for a skill check, I could understand slight speed nerfs to SWF - but ONLY if it's a 3-or-4 man. And I would argue that if it's a 3-man, the solo survivor should get a slight speed buff to balance their part. I don't think 2-man SWF unbalances the game enough to warrant a speed nerf.

Also if killers are running any gen slowdown/regression perks, those speed nerfs are just going to make gens take FOREVER. And gens are honestly the worst part of gameplay. I prefer chases and unhooks.

I don't think a slight speed buff to SWF is necessarily a /bad/ idea, but it runs the risk of making the main survivor objective really boring, and that may end up driving away players.

I think a better option would be to award bonus bloodpoints (win or lose) for any solo survivors and killers paired with SWF. It's a nice little surprise bonus at the end, and then if the killer didn't get a bonus, they can't complain about being stomped on by SWF when they just happened to face a team that understands how you're supposed to play with other people. (Sorry that last statement came off survivor-sided, but I've only ever seen complaints from killer mains, and I genuinely don't know if there's a way to tell you're going against SWF because at least on console I can never tell. I just accept my loss and move on.)