Marth experiment is valid or not?

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They lost to a few killers in there, including a pre rework Freddy, iirc. The point of doing 300 matches is to have good data. Pulling out one match is pointless. Nobody ever doubted that nurse is/was the strongest killer in the game. Considering that they blew up most killers, it can easily be said that nurse was the only killer that stood a chance, using your method. In reality, nurses still averaged less than 1 kill per game. They did average the highest number of hooks per game. The only two killers who averaged MORE than 1 kill per game? Freddy and Pig. So I guess they're the OP ones.

If nurse winning is an outlier in the data, then you really can't draw any conclusions from it.

Stats by Killer Total Number Of Ratio Avg Kills/Game Avg Hooks/Game Avg Pips/Game

Nurse 31 15.50% 0.87 3.10 -0.68

Billy 54 27.00% 0.93 2.04 -0.85

Huntress 35 17.50% 0.83 2.06 -0.99

Freddy 15 7.50% 1.20 2.73 -0.73

Sorry, formatting doesn't really translate. These are from the 200 perkless/perk games, excluding the 100 hero squad games.

Also, I believe pallet vac was gone before the EXP took place.

I think they announced it quite early and showed video examples, that might be the reason :)

Not really, unless you plan on playing 100+ games against them.

All challenging them to a specific game does is massage your ego if you win, and show nothing if you lose. Further, it completely sidesteps the live test method, as in the live environment, a swf knows that they are a swf, knows what they are bringing, and knows their plan. The killer doesn't get to have the foreknowledge.

Your quest for some sort of rematch is simply for your own benefit and has nothing to do with trying to show any sort of empirical evidence of their experiment being true or false.

If you really wanted to discount their findings, you'd be organizing an experiment of your own.

If you just want to prove you're better than any given swf, go get on discord and find some opponents. There's tons of them dedicated to playing in swf, and there's a lot of players out there that are better than most of the depip squad.

That's probably why they did it with comms and without. Killers did worse vs perked with no comms. On occasions where they played with comms and perks, like during nightly warm-ups, killer were absolutely thrashed. Either one is strong on its own, both together are incredibly strong. The whole point was based on the strength of Survivors who play together in an organized fashion and how far beyond groups of solos that placed them in terms of power. So not sure what you're trying to argue... That somehow using swf to show that swf are vastly superior to solo when they bother to use the advantages swf gives is not the proper way to demonstrate exactly that?

Either way, arguing with me on here isn't going to advance your dream of facing down THE Marth in a fight to the death, and there's really many better players you could go up against to prove your studliness.

Looking at games I've played lately from ######### side of the stick and as survivor it is worse then it used to be.

Sure, many survivors are playing like lego legless legolasses but many actually can play the game and hold m1 aaand game ends in 3 minutes. Bucket of fun.

I did have few games where killers just gave up as almost at the same time as they hooked their first survivor 4 gens were done.

Sorry but argument: Not everyone plays like that isn't really valid in here.

This was actually my experience playing Deathslinger for first few days. Fast queues as killer, game done in 4 minutes as survivors love to test their m1'ing. Not a very fun way to play imo but with these lazy devs I'm way beyond hoping for changes to come ever.

No. It's not valid. It's not even the same game as when he conducted his experiment. I would love for a group of survivors to step forward and give it a go though. I'd be interested in the results. But this is the kind of thing that needs to be done on a regular basis for it to have any merit. Think about all the things that have changed. The very metric for whether a killer pips has changed!

Lol the marth hate.

Someone wanting to disprove his experiment by recreating it will not be able to do so by playing SWF.

"Hey look, i lost a lot, totally not Intentionally, I swear. Btw nerf killers, too op"

Oh no, he was SWF'ing with people he knows and some general guidelines? MOST SURVIVORS PLAY SWF and those guidelines are common sense lol.

The Tournaments I have seen have had artificial rules imposed on them in order to make the game even remotely balanced and even then, all you see in tournaments is Nurse, Hillbilly ,Spirit and perhaps another killer once every blue moon that is usually steam rolled a few minutes later. What does that tell you about the state of the game?

Unfortunately the games I had in mind were the SpaceEsports tournaments on twitch from a few months ago, the VODs have since expired.

As to your examples, I cannot go through all of them but from what I can gather most of them are resumed in survivors failing to rush generators.

In the second video during the first game with Hillbilly you can see Claudette trying to save the Dwight being camped which resulted in a grab, throwing the game then and there.

The other games were similar, the first video you provided with Hag, the second match has the survivors 3 gen themselves with a hooked person at the centre of the 3 gen, while the first has a Nea do nothing and just run after the Hag for roughly 2 minutes, an entire generator could have been done in that time and another would be well on its way.

The first game with Huntress, the first person used the speed burst to run into an open area without pallets, then once unhooked proceeded to run past a pallet into an LT wall, this resulted in an relatively early kill and all went downhill from there, despite that they still managed to do 4 generators by the time the killer had their second hook.

The second game with Clown from the last video, the Jake decided to sit in a corner and then they wasted the speed burst from being hit by vaulting a window which caused them to go down when someone else was already on hook, then the Nea decided to self care while being affect by Coulrophobia instead of working on a generator, that match was just a mess.

Those were very poor plays by the survivors which enabled the killer to gain more than 1 kill by the end of the match.

I understand that your issue with the Depip Squad experiment is that they are very skilled players, which creates a constant, but the killers are random and many of them may not be all that good. However, the matches you provided have the opposite problem, the killer is playing as well as they can while survivors are sub-optimal. In the end, the Depip squad is the better standard by the principle of time, they proved how fast generators can progress compared to how quickly chases end under optimal survivor performance and that performance shows that aside from a few killers such as Nurse or outlier circumstances such as being caught in a dead zone, the ability of the survivor to maintain chase by looping, chaining pallets, utilising things such as god windows among other things such as items and second chance perks will take the killer's skill level out of the equation entirely.

Just think about it, the difference between a good or bad Wraith will be negligible if all survivors they attempt to chase run to something such as the Ironworks god window upon being hit, the same is not true for survivors who will suffer a great penalty in performance if even one of their numbers cannot play well and goes down immediately. This same idea of the god loop applies to nearly all loops (to a lesser extent, example: a Jungle gym cannot really be dealt with if the survivor does not take risks and just holds corners, you just try to eat the pallet as early as possible and go on) The one kind of loops I can see being different are long-wall-short-walls and their like, in which the corners are too short to hold and it is pretty much a 50/50 with the red light mindgame.

Conclusion: The inability for the killer to overcome basic game mechanics such as windows/pallets regardless of individual skill level creates a rift between generator repair time relative to chase time resulting in survivors completing their objectives much faster than the killer is capable of competing with. This is on the principle of time alone.