Why Does Legion Have a Cooldown After Basic Attack....

I think he means if it's a good Legion you could end up spending the game mending 90% of the time instead of doing something.

He wasn't talking about it either. He was talking about a 2 hit combo thing.

But that is actually his power. Spread damage. It is non lethal. So why the need to nerf this power by basekit?

because survivors cant learn social distancing. 😁

If they can't learn that these days, they probably shouldn't be called survivors (evil joke)

They actually can get also a penalty when they hit people with their power. With the second hit.

I would also say, it would make more sense that a hit that doesn't down someone actually increases your power gauge.

Yeah, you'd think that considering the idea of the power is them entering a "Deadly Rage", stabbing someone would help that along, not prevent it :/

(Pfft, 'deadly rage', more like a less-than-lethal rage, considering it seems to be easier to recover from than being pepper sprayed, and healing a 'deep wound' AND being 'injured' with no medical supplies on your own takes less time than most people need to stop a nosebleed)

And your post makes sense how?

Once again, his frenzy has no counter that a surivior can perform against him. He also regains his power each time he hits a surivior. So if he had a quick recovery, has no counter when using his ability and regain his power when he hits a surivior, no one would be playing the game. The gameplay will become repetitive because every 20 seconds a surivior has to mend. It's the reason why people say legion should get deleted because he doesn't help the game at all.

What do you mean?

I said your logic doesn't make sense. I don't see how it could make any more sense than that.

Sure, I could explain what I mean more in dept, but it won't make more sense, the message is still that your logic didn't make sense.

Now I see where you are coming from. Let me put it like this:

Legion's frenzy has no counter that a surivior can perform against him(it is also part of the reason why legion was hated in the community when he first came out and still is now).

He also regains his power each time he hits a surivior. Thus allowing him to go up around putting everyone in mending.

So if he had a quick recovery time (the devs removing him losing his power when hitting a surivior out of his frenzy), on addtion to that use his add ons to speed up the recovery, has no counter when using his ability and regain his power when he hits a surivior. No one in the right mind would find playing against a legion fun (we still dont).

The gameplay will quickly become repetitive because every 20 seconds a surivior has to mend and hold m1 for pretty much the whole game. I'm pretty sure I don't need to go into much detail why this isn't fun and why the community went on a rant about legion.

Now do you understand why people made videos or post explaining that legion can't become balanced and should be deleted?

Probably because survivors would have to mend more and it’d be boring.

It's very obvious many survivor commenters in this thread have never played Legion.

nah man, the secret pro tech is to hit someone 90 times in the same feral frenzy, so they get teleported to a basement hook!

7.5 seconds from a 30 second timer, but nobody was talking here about Legion not having a cooldown I think. And you know that if you hit someone with dw while in ff you will get stunned for 4 seconds and your power gauge just goes to 0.

That would be really broken, true. I think OP means that 50% cooldown penalty you get after hitting someone with a basic m1.

when legion lands a normal m1, without using his power at all, his meter for his power is depleted by a chunk. This is on top of needing it to be full to use it, and some circumstances (like hitting someone with his power while theyre already under its affect) reduce it entirely to zero instantly. Since the legion's power is non-lethal, its a very nonsensical limitation, as you couldn't do something like m1 then activate FF and get a quick down.

Meanwhile, many other killers like the huntress, gunslinger, and plague can have the ability to use their power and their m1 in tandem to get very quick 2 hit downs. The spirit comparison is because her meter works similarly to a degree (needing to be 100% to activate) but she can hit a survivor with m1, then start her power as soon as the weapon wipe finishes and be able to lethally down the survivor if they are unable to escape in that short window.

It's just something that should have been changed back when the legion's power got neutered, but still hasn't been addressed.

I still don't feel like it's fair to say they're that different because as I said in a previous post, Spirit is a 110% killer. A lot of her first hits, from personal experience playing as or against her, are from using her power as well. I'm not going to say she never will attack a survivor without phasing first, but often times I notice it's just easier to phase a small amount and use the brief invisibility + the brief speed boost at the end to try to get an aggressive lunge. Even if this isn't the case, you can make a lot more distance from a Spirit just holding W than against Legion when neither are using their power, because again, she's 110%.

Either way Legion excels at getting people injured in the first place, so you aren't going to want to be just regularly injuring people very often, and then switching to your power unless for some reason you want to turn on your power and run away toward a different target for whatever reason. While I can understand why not being able to do that might be frustrating, I don't see why you couldn't just go for the frenzy hit and then just do that same thing anyway, and run off after the other person.

I never really thought about it that much because I don't play Legion but while I think it's weird, I just don't think just changing that is going to do anything significant to him. I just originally commented because I assumed they meant having a cooldown after attacking with the power, and I was saying his one addon that knocks down the timer would make that idea OP just by itself.

You land a hit with the legion, and the survivor runs to a safe pallet, or a good loop. Normally your power would be able to help you at either of those situations, but since they are already injured it loses most of its purpose, but at the very least you could use it to "bounce" off that player and instead go after others to spread pressure instead of having to put up with the time wasted by that pallet or loop. So you either have to waste time waiting for the power to come back to do so, or just commit to the bad chase and waste time and pressure trying to secure the down.

Meanwhile, even the spirit at least gets something for the former: when she gets her power back, it can be used to mindgame the pallet or loop even if they are safe, and gives her potential to actually get a down. Legion's power doesn't. So its basically a lose/lose situation, the only possible benefit you could glean from it is if its a pallet then its one less safe pallet on the map after its dealt with, thought it could easily cost you 1-3 gens in that time so its not a very big plus.

In their current state, too many things about the legion punish committing to a chase, but their rewards for changing targets are likewise too low. Their restrictions are more harsh than other killers who are already more powerful than them, and many of those same restrictions on other killers would easily drop their viability substantially. If your goal is to keep everybody injured, why would you play legion over plague? She can even use her power more effectively at loops and pallets, and you'd actually get rewarded whether they heal or not (albeit her emblems generation is still pretty bad, so she's harder to pip with in most games.)

Sometimes going for the m1 to start a chase instead of using FF is the better call, especially if your FF is still on cooldown (thus making that hit extend the cooldown even longer)

If you think you can get a down due to bad positioning, a gen or totem grab attempt, using STBFL, or any other reason, you wouldn't want to start the first hit with FF. Hell sometimes the second you hit a survivor with FF they don't even try to escape, they just immediately start mending since they expect you to run away looking for someone else.

That lore was designed for Legion 1.0 though, its yet another thing that should have been addressed with the changes they got last year. A lot of their tracking ability is far too weak for how non-lethal their ability is. On a killer like spirit, not being able to physically see a survivor makes more sense than legion not being able to follow scratch marks or even generators with how weak his power is for downing people.