Can we please get a surrender option?
Now that we have a DC system in place (which is good) the fact that you're forced to stay in games you are clearly going to lose or have little to ZERO FUN AT ALL IN is bad. You shouldn't get punished for wanting to have fun in this game and leaving when there is none to be had.
Obviously it should work differently for survivors if even at all since by the time they would want to surrender they would already be mostly dead anyway.
For killers when you see all 4 survivors toxic tbag and loop as hard as this game will let them in the first 2 minutes and there's 2 gens left, I do NOT WANT TO BE IN THE GAME ANYMORE. If I can't DC (good) then I should be able to surrender because the only other options are play and hate the game more and more or just leave, let the toxic people have their win, and move on.
Please devs, it's the next step after a DC penalty system.
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it would ruin the game entirely, not going your way? ez leave.
That said just hide in the basement and alt tab out, gg ez
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Your suggestion is literally the same thing as mine but with extra steps. Obviously there will have to be some sort of minimum time requirement or whatever before you can quit but what the ######### is the point of staying in the game afk in the corner instead of just giving up, leaving, and getting a hopefully better game all within the same time frame of the old match still going on because lets be honest survivors are toxic and will sit around for god knows how long extra to milk their points and try and bully.
So I ask you, what is the point in not adding it in as opposed to doing what you say?
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As killer if i got max points and emblems for each person who surrendered maybe the whole team has to vote for it to prevent hatch tech or obsession dipping
As survivors if the killer quits and the whole team got escape points and safely pip as well as item keep I'd be fine.
I play SWF mostly so I don't see myself using it that much. Prolly never on solo survivor since them leaving never affected me
But in killer when I did play the role someone quit almost every match and ruined the entire game wasting tons of time.
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"...the fact that you're forced to stay in games you are clearly going to lose or have little to ZERO FUN AT ALL IN is bad. You shouldn't get punished for wanting to have fun in this game and leaving when there is none to be had."
"Obviously it should work differently for survivors..."
Yeah, who cares if a match is fun for survivors or not? LOL #########, no? If Killers get to forfeit a match because they're not enjoying it - survivors should get to as well. 😂 And if that's the case, why did we do away with DC?????
This is silly. No one gets to leave unless its in the dark embrace of the entity.
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What this request is is literally disconnecting. There is a litany of opinions on why this is a no-no and no longer going unpunished. Calling disconnecting something other than disconnecting is a disingenuous request.
Keep trying on games that you feel you are losing. You might learn something that helps in future games and you might even win when you didn't think you could.
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survivors can suicide on hook and not lose 2 pips. Hell, if they did enough progress beforehand, they can black pip or even 1 pip.
tbh killers should be able to just open the exit gates at any time as a way to surrender. EGC starts like normal, NOED doesn't go off so it cant be exploited, game will be over in minutes.
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Honestly just let killers open the gates at any time. If the survivors wanna leave so bad, just open the door and shoo them out
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LOL. Killers should have a surrender option but not survivors....meanwhile this forum still thinks survivors are the entitled ones.
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Survivors have been allowed to get out of matches for four years. Maybe the game didn't go their way, they got hooked first so they give up. The killer they're facing is good, quit. Avoid him getting BBQ stacks, quit. QUIT QUIT QUIT. It's been going on for four years. And someone brings up the idea of the killer getting a surrender button and the first thing brought up is how survivors would feel? Four freaking years of quitting out of games and that was fine. Holy damn. Not that I agree with the idea. But that's just ridiculous. The millions of d/c's. You used to have multiple a match.
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"How would Survivors feel" still applies to that situation. I can't imagine the other 3 survivors are happy when someone DCs on first down. Essentially seals the deal for the Killer. At least the game can still function though.
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Why so when killers get a bad map they just surrender instantly nah sounds unhealthy for the game to me.
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bad maps even existing is in itself kinda unhealthy for the game, which is why they're the main focus of the midchapter update. That said, are you going to pretend that survivors don't do the same when they go against a killer they don't like? used to just be vs the nurse, but it feels like people hookcide against almost any killer these days.
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I'm not pretending but what the OP is suggesting is the ability to just cancel a match just because you are losing one survivor dying on hook does not automatically mean killers need a surrender button also this wouldn't happen if behavior didnt add the dc penalty people would just dc and end up reaching the ban toll but because of the penalty people just die on hook this is the nature of dead by daylight you can't stop people from doing that the problem with a killer doing it is the OP is suggesting no down side to doing it and that alone leaves room for abuse.
You also have to take into account the trolls who will just queue up to do that just for the fun of it the community is toxic enough we don't need killers abusing this function just to get back at survivors.
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Yeah I support this. Kind of like Identity V!
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the killer loses any points and emblem progress they could have gotten if they continued playing, literally exactly the same as the survivor hook suiciding. The only difference is that the killer doesnt have an item to lose, but since addons are more important to them its honestly a bigger sacrifice.
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You are forgetting the part where its only one killer vs 4 survivors that means the game would instantly end meanwhile when a survivor does it the game still continues unless everyone does it but the chances of everyone doing it are very low.
you also completely missed the part where i basically pointed out how trolls and toxic people would just abuse this.
When asking for things to be added to the game you have to take into account every factor as well as game health clearly you are overlooking all of it.
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and? When a single survivor hookcides early in the match, they have screwed their team over far more than if the game just ended. If anything its a mercy for the surviors, they get to keep their items they would have otherwise lost in a near-inevitable 1v3 loss. Besides, if someone fails to load in the game is cancelled as it stands, so it would basically be extending that to the survivors while the killer takes their likely depip/lost addons. Killers being stuck in games they have no hope of winning against their will is one of the biggest causes of killer toxicity, and it only gets worse the longer a match drags out. Until we get a day where we can opt out of (or even be able to identify, at least) swf groups (honestly I want this more as survivor than killer) then there needs to be a way out for both sides.
I didnt reply to your comment about trolls because its asinine. I get sandbagged by other survivors constantly, and they abuse hookcides constantly. You're saying "but what about the trolls" for one side when the discussion was about how the current status quo allows trolls of one side that same ability. By your logic, the entity should force you to stay in the game until everyone else dies if you suicide on hook since what survivors can currently do gives them the potential to troll the entire game.
Also your last comment is hilariously hypocritical.
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Still completely ignoring the points you are still trying to justify this bro a killer can simply decide at any point to just end the game is completely and utterly dumb you can sit here and continue to attempt to justify it im sorry to be the guy to inform you but this won't happen it would be different if this was only once the last gen was done but giving the killer the ability to just say screw it is dumb back to your survivor argument i have seen and even pulled games back from someone dcing and or dying its possible what im seeing in your post is you support people wanting to be quitters instead of getting good thats the problem with this community is you guys are so quick to give up play the game out and stop complaining.
It's a party game stop taking this game so serious who cares about winning or losing that does not justify adding more options to help people quit stop being entitled and yes you are being entitled just because you are losing does not mean you should quit.
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"it would be different if this was only once the last gen was done but giving the killer the ability to just say screw it is dumb"
the killer already can open the exit gate when the last gen is done. Do you even play killer?
Oh I guess I'm a newer player now, thanks for letting me know btw. At least I can say I've been playing more years than you've used periods in that paragraph :)
Oh, one last thing, when did I say I would ever use it? I said it should be there, and that its absence causes toxicity to fester in one half of the community while the other is given a way to avoid being held hostage. The double standard is what I'm addressing, not how it affects me personally.
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I main killer almost 90% of the time i play survivor killers dc once the last gen is done.
Also i have over 3000 hours on killer nice try to paint me as a survivor main champ also you are acting like a newer player you are being stubborn and ignoring the clear issue at hand which is the fact this can and would be abused.
Also classic lets try to talk about grammar lmao shows you ran out of comebacks nice try champ you'll get them next year.
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You were clearly ignorant of a mechanic that is currently in the game for killers, so I had to ask. Your eagerness to browbeat over it doesn't help you in terms of having a sound argument though, just kinda makes it come off as super defensive.
I only mentioned the punctuation because I honestly had a very hard time understanding what you were trying to convey. It came off far more as a rant than actual points.
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Most people in the forums are like this lmao. Nothing to do with being a newer player, everything to do with having a God complex.
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Oh no i understand i've been here since the forums launched it's just sad this is what the developers look at when it comes to these ideas dude will continue to think hes in the right regardless of how bad this idea is but it is what it is no point continuing with the feller better off let him think hes right and move on with my day.
I already feel the moderators coming in and trying to warn me over something petty so imma chill.
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Prob for the best, but you're totally right.
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The killer would do this every time the match wasn't going their way. A 3 man team and a killer can still play a match. A team with no killer can't play anything. So no, this should never be an option. Also, I don't disagree that survivors can kill themselves on hook, but that's no fun. It rewards the killer with a sacrifice for their obnoxious behavior. If Killers got a way to bow out gracefully, survivors should get one too. But nobody is suiciding on hook because they're having a bad match and then pipping up. :| Suiciding because they had a great match and it will help their teammate, maybe. But not because a match is toxic AF. My point was there is no equity in that statement. We had a way everyone could forfeit a match they weren't enjoying and it was removed. So here we are.
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Did anyone even read the post where i mentioned that the Killer's equivalent of surrendering is opening an exit gate and starting the EGC? Every response has been as if I implied killers should be able to just yeet themselves out of the game or something. People just read what they want to I guess, nothing new.
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Are you high? Killers have been DCing for the same length of time. LOL DC ban isn't in effect because ONLY survivors quit matches. And my point to that statement is that there is no reason a Killer should get an easy "leave match" button when things don't go their way, but a survivor has to die for it. Not. equitable.
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I already proved exactly why it's equitable. You didn't like my argument, but that doesn't make it any less valid. If Hook suicides were a double depip and caused a MM penalty like DCing does, then yes, anything that let killers quit early with a lesser punishment would be unfair. But they don't, and hookcides can even black or safety pip, and can be done at any time.
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Maybe, just maybe, if toxic players started having crap matches because others don't want to be involved in it, then they may learn to play as if they are in the same room with the others. Sure, there are those that would "quit" just because they are losing, but by and large the bigger problem is azzhats who enjoy ruining other's fun. This game has zero repercussions for toxic players. The more toxic you are, the more success you seem to have. It is a disease that will ultimately kill the game. If the developers really want to breath life into the game and give it a chance to grow, they have to figure out how to start directing players to a more civilized format.
Yes, I get that this game is all about hunting and killing, but it is based on a jump-scare, casual party style of a game. Unfortunately, the developers have long protected toxic play styles as "strategies" on both sides and it has a stifling affect on the player base, keeping it from growing as it should.
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And you think my method is not the same as having a "crap match"?
Disarming toxic players, not allowing them to be toxic by simply going afk and throwing the match entirely is kinda what a crap match for them is.
Thing is though, lets be real about this, plenty of jaded characters on both sides, I am playing survivor games with 3 of my friends (so yes full squad SWF) with no perks used by any of us just for fun, its kinda liberating (not that I ever used the meta to begin with).
We had a killer DC on us after the first gen claiming we were cheating by which they meant Discord SWF, now this is not about wether or not that is cheating, the point is nothing at that point was even done due to discord, teh game barely started, 1 gen was done and the killer claimed that through discord a other survivor went back on the gen....if you arent being followed you do gens...
Point is, killers like survivors dying on the hook will just choose to dip out if it goes poorly as they have no faith it will change even though it often does and because of that very few games will ever reach the end I would expect which is not healthy for the game.
I know its unfair but killers just have to suffer through it.
Though I am in favor of the EGC simply starting (with some timer tweaking obviously) once the last gen is popped, leaves some interesting endgame gameplay.
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While I mostly agree with you, please don't make it sound like killers never DC'd because quite a few of us know this to be different. Game isn't going their way...quit, Someone popped your totem, Quit, all 5 gens get done, quit. And while i haven't been here 4 years, it sure as hell has been both sides doing it since I've been around for about two years.
Survivors and killers have been doing it for years, and sure you're going to see more survivors doing it when there are 4 compared to 1, the math is never going to add up to anyone's ratio with that number difference.
Yes survivor opinions can be very self centred, but looking around on these forums and playing in a lot of matches, I can't say the other side is behaving much differently.
Nobody should be leaving the match because things aren't going their way, it's childish and selfish and if it was ever implemented barely any survivor would make it out the exit gates again and no freddy, doctor or legion would get to play a game. Heck I'd also advocate for no hook suicides if there was a way to implement it. As always with both sides, the true gamers would take their losses on the chin and the children would abuse the f**k out of it.
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Survivors can kill themselves on a hook, killers can't leave a match early. Either give all players the possibility to leave early or nobody.
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Surrender option for killer: facing a wall and go afk
Surrender option for survivors: just go afk, the crows will do rest
There's no need for an intended ez out option. You might loose, but they can't take your BPs!
Also the best wins i had on both sides were actually these super close, turning games.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I play mostly killer and see the common toxic survivor all the time. I'm desensitized to the creature at this point. I can deal with the toxic 4 man that just wants to get under my skin. I just think about the ton of BP I'll still get.
But when I play survivor and get the hardcore tunneling or camping axxhole who later admits he just wants to get salt, he does not care about playing the game, that makes me shake my head.
This game has little hope if it can't reign in its toxicity.
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Just DC and get the 5 minute ban. Its not that big of a deal. If you find you want to surrender too much and DC is going up to an hour ban or something...maybe just play somethibg else for a while.
I've DC from toxic fellow survivors several times but haven't had more than a 5 minute ban...its not that big or a deal I think.
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Really? The amount of red rank survivors I have kill themselves on first hook because they got out played and downed is ridiculous! ( Wraith op ) As red rank survivor I am constantly getting matched with green - brown rank killers! It's not fair and I agree they should be able to give up ( kill themselves on first hook ) and maybe stop bringing NoEd every match because of busted match making! honestly, stop abusing killers that you know aren't at your skill level killers that are still learning won't just quit DBD all together. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and if you don't think so just stop being such a horrible human being. And BHVR needs to go to skill based matchmaking NOW or fix the broken #-##$ way it is now or you won't have any killers to play and 45 min que times try looking at your actions as well. Instead of just telling them to get over it. When survivors have a way around the DC penalty.
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but....as survivor you already have a surrender button...literally just let yourself die on the first hook?
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Please try and critically think about why they have to be different. Survivors control this game in the current meta, there is no if and or buts about it. So the more powerful side is obviously going to have stricter limitations before they can quit. Killers are infamous in this game for getting BULLIED, in what world should the weaker side not be able to quit faster?
Think ABOUT IT JESUS CHRIST
If survivors want to surrender they are probably down a person or 2 anyways, which is almost a loose state in itself if all gens aren't done. At that point the game can be finished quickly enough to not worry about surrendering. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a surrender option for survivors, but you already have most of the power in the game and can suicide on hooks anyways. It's harder for survivors to get a surrender option due to the nature of the game.
This also works. Honestly anything to force toxic survivors out a game and not waste 20+ minutes tryharding and being toooooxxxxiiicccc
Bigger problem, shouldn't be maps that make killers want to give up in the FIRST PLACE.
No, it's not. Surrendering comes after a minimum amount of time and possibly other factors to discourage instant quitting. The main purpose of a surrender option is so you aren't held hostage by toxic people who want to get fun out of abusing you, another player, for fun. When that happens should I get punished for not wanting to indulge toxic people abusing a game when I'm trying to have fun? Does my fun not count just because there are 3 more people on the other side?
It's not really about quitting games that are going poorly, it's about having the option to leave when the game stops being a game and starts being toxic simulator 2020 without getting punished for it.
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After hundreds of hours you stop trying to justify the flaws in something and start to grow to hate everything about it.
That's me with this game. I used to make excuse after excuse and try anything to justify playing the game. But now it's just so full of toxic players who do nothing but abuse this game in ways it was never intended to be played that it ceases to be a game anymore. I play for fun, not to try and sweat my ass off for 4 minutes while survivors can just ######### around and get everything done. The original vision of this game has been lost to time and toxic people.
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I'm sorry you are being so hurt by this game.
I would suggest playing survivor for a time if killer is getting too annoying. But know survivors can be toxic towards each other as well. It happens to me about 20% of the time. But most games are friendly.
Oh but let me tell you how much I dislike when say a survivor comes to work on my gen purposely to fail skill checks and when I try to leave and work on a new one they just follow me and do it again. Or fast vaulting through windows to draw attention to me working on bones...etc...
But like I say for the most part you dont have to worry about these people.
I'm in the minority in that I dont find killers toxic. The only thing I think killers do that is bad is work with survivors. Toxic survivors spoil everyones fun. I do sympathize with you as a killer.
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It would be easily abusable for deranking and trolling.
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I understand there is a risk with issues like these, but that's why there should be minimal requirements like time and maybe a gen or 2 done. I'm not sure of exactly what it would need, but it is needed if you can't DC anymore when the game is no longer fun or a game. That's not really specific to DbD but the level of toxicity and gameplay abuse is definitely pretty high in DbD.
I appreciate the sentiment, and I honestly wish this game was fully fledged and balanced because I love some of the concepts so much that I'm still here, even after like the last 50 hours of gameplay being nothing but stale frustration as the underlying problems of the game amass more every match.
I disagree, killers can be toxic for sure but it's harder, and less likely because simply because there are less killers.
Again I appreciate the sympathy. As a Nurse main even one game can be enough for weeks if there are enough bugs and toxic people, and don't even get me started on if I 99% the 2nd blink Dx
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The issue with that is there will always be maps that certain killers dont preform well on perfect example an open map vs ghostface already puts him at a disadvantage that does not justify making a quitter button.
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I'm sorry but how do you think DC penalties are good if your proposal can essentially be boiled down to 'give the killer the option to disconnect.' There is actually no difference to a killer choosing to surrender or being allowed to DC, other than the fact the killer may only be able to surrender at a certain point rather than immediately (except DCs are generally atleast in the middle of the game anyways...)
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Well maps being garbage is a different issue tbh. Again I'm not trying to implement an 'easy quit' button or even DCs again I just want the option to not be punished if the other people I'm playing against are holding the fun of the game at hostage point and I don't want to sit there having NO F U N for 3+ minutes.
Rage quitting and survivors leaving their squad are great reasons for the DC penalty.
Bad balance and frustrating gameplay are very good reasons to want to leave a dumpster fire match and get on to another one. You're still getting punished with BPs and rank, although admittedly those don't matter too much, as well as losing addons/offering. It's just now you can go into another game right away and potentially actually have fun in that one.
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Yeah so you're saying get rid of DC penalties for killer, since the only reason a killer really has is... bad balance and frustrating gameplay. You are not pro DC penalty if this is your stance. You are essentially saying to abolish them for the killers.
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Hey they can always balance the game and minimize the frustration factor of killer gameplay while also improving survivor gameplay with an interesting objective that takes more time because it is more complex to complete and both sides are happy? I'm down for that too.
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What does this have to do with the fact you're proposing to abolish the DC penalty for the killer?
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