Survivors are to lazy to do Totems & this is the reason why they complain about Noed

/clap

But killers can hit survivors and are mean to me ;_;

Edit: Sarcasm cause you cant tell the difference in type.

I just can't believe survivors chose to make their stand against such a weak and almost entirely useless perk.

If killers couldn't get multiple kills off of noed, you'd see it used a lot less. When you know the killer has noed, just escape and give the killer the kill. This simple solution would see Noed basically killed.

I'm not even going to say do totems, just don't be greedy.

Also if noed is fine ds is fine, just learn the counters for the perks lol

did you not see the /s?

Or they are just bad and can't buy themselfs time to do anything else than gens.

Oh yes, from the creators of "just mindgame the Spirit", the conitnuation to the critically acclaimed series "there's no problem with the design, it's the players that have been playing for literal years that don't know how to deal with this thing that has been around for just as long".

Yep DS is fine too, just don't tunnel xD. SWF is fine, just apply more pressure. Keys are fine, just kill the survivors before they find the hatch.

The devs aren't gonna come out and say "so guys, that design was garbage, so we'll change it". It's not a good look for them. They said for years that gen speed was fine, they said in the past that infinites were fine because they took skill, they seem to think DS is in a good place, they even said Legion was in an okay spot. So unless you're willing to accept all those things as true, stop appealing to authority and acting like the devs always know what's best. They're humans just like us.

Maybe think a bit about why people are complaining instead of just assuming they're all wrong and you're right. What tilts the everliving frick outta me is the lack of nuance in every single "just do the bones xD" post. No consideration as to how much different information works when concerning solos vs SWF is the main offender of this. Until there's a clear feedback so that all survivors know how many dull totems have been cleansed, it's not a secondary objective, and it's not fair nor balanced that solos have to do all totems to make sure they're done while SWF just gets that information for free.

This is pretty nuanced and well written. I 100% agree, and I'm also pretty disappointed that so many people are ignoring the fact that the NOED "conflict" represents the community's opinion of the swf-solo gap and that when the community agrees that NOED is fine they are agreeing that the swf-solo gap is fine.

Here's the NOED scenario I see most often.

Killer finds someone, killer proxy camps,

What do killers tell survivors they should do to counter camping? You got it, do gens.

Survivors do gens and "rush" them.

Survivor dies after being camped and the killer then gets to pick themselves up another kill at the end after NOED procs because those lazy survivors tried to do the gens instead of throwing themselves at a camping killer.

You can argue the exact same thing for both sides. Truth is, the game does a poor job teaching people fundamentals - tiles, pathing, patrolling, when to give up chases, when it's safe to save or not. I don't blame the devs too much because those things are highly nuanced and subjective, but there are both survivors who rank up by playing immersed, doing gens and leaving without interacting with anyone else and killers who rank up by hard camping and tunnelling without learning how the game works from within. The core difference is that in these forums survivors are entitled and should "git gud" while killers are somehow victims of game design and shouldn't be held accountable for their own failures. As long as we have double standards like this being so widely accepted here, it's very hard to have productive discussions.

Carrying as solo survivor only exists when broken setups exist. Unless the killer misplays horribly, there's no way a single survivor can last long enough to "1v1 comfortably" in newer maps without OP connected tiles.

I don't have the numbers on that but the streamer population proportion probably matches the general playerbase proportion. This game needs to be roughly 4 survivors to 1 killer in order to work. Besides, I've seen many killer streamers roflstomp survivors while playing attention to chat and stuff. It's because those people are obscenely good at the game when compared to the general player and nothing else. Of course the role where you interact with your opponent for 25 ish% of the match is gonna be more laid back, but that's, once again, a design thing not a balance thing.

And all of that goes out the window when talking about snowball killers. A killer can win a game just as quickly as they can lose it as most killers. If every single killer was at a power level of, let's say, Huntress and above, this game wouldn't be survivor sided anymore besides very few deathsquads, which are far too uncommon to have the game be balanced around them.

If you're facing an average red rank solo survivor squad you absolutely do not need a weak link in order to win. Then you can argue that some red rank survivors don't belong at red ranks, to which I respond that quite a few red rank killers don't belong at red ranks either, because the ranking system is awful.

One more thing: bloodlust was created primarily because of infinites and god loops. It belongs less and less in the game the more maps get updated.

"But the underlying problem to your argument is that ultimately a good survivor group will have a very high survival rate against a good killer." If the survivors are on comms, yes, but we all know information is too important in this game. If they're not, I'd be willing to bet a good player playing a good killer might have the edge.

But there are perks that can help you locate them. The problem is that certain survivors don't want to adapt and give up perk slots to use them. And frankly, most are just to lazy to bother. It's far easier to ask for a nerf.

Many killer hated Ruin, and wasting a slot on a perk that likely wouldn't last long, but it was an adaption that they had to make due to the situation. Ruin got nerfed, and the game is faster on the survivors side, so the killers had to adapt again. Many don't want to use NOED, and some still don't, but many feel that it's the only option to balance things out.

The problem is that these survivors complaining about NOED are not willing to adapt, in any way. There are even other perks that more directly counter NOED, without having to find totems but, again, some survivors are unwilling to adapt and give up other perks in order to use them.

Congratulations, you either faced a terrible killer or had an OP setup then. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't extrapolate to the general playerbase.

I'm not even going to get into this discussion here. Just know that I'm perfectly familiar with this concept and I don't think DBD should adopt it while the game sucks at other basic balance things.

Until the SWF-Solo gap is smaller there's no point in following that.

You should probably read that quote a little more critically.

If the best players in this game are good SWF players, then by the same logic applied by the quote means that the game would be based off of them. The same holds true for the killer side as well.

If this game was properly balanced, solo queue wouldn't be painful because you wouldn't have bad survivors in high ranks. The ranking system would solve itself. Bad players that have no concept of teamwork would be in the low ranks, and good players with a knowledge of the game and teamwork would be at the top.

This is the elegance of balancing the game around the best players, because then there's a definite point where the devs can go 'ok this [whatever] is being abused too much, we have to change it.'

You need to understand that the ranking system and the failure to implement a proper one is by far the most fundamental issue with this game, and most other issues this game has with balance could be ironed out with a proper ranking system.

The problem with your logic is that the ranking system is completely broken.

I love that you talk as if I'm not familiar with that concept when I've had talks like this with multiple people here before, and probably will have more in the future. I'm just not going in depth in a subject that has nothing to do with the original point of the thread.

You're not bringing any revolutionary ideas here with that, it's a very well known concept.

so because this game has been balanced around the majority of the playerbase, where killer is oppressive, survivor becomes very oppressive at higher ranks and skill levels

So, survivor was made easier and killer was made harder. We come full circle. This is why i brought up this point.