A NOED novel

Or...you know...

You run the literal best aura perk in the game.

I mean you could say the same with 4 Survivors with DS,Unbreakable,BT,Dead Hard,Sprint Burst or Adrenaline with Flash Lights and Med Kits and a strong Map Offering,right?

That doesn't prove anything

@aregularplayer I have a story for you. Killer hooks meg after all the gens are done. Meg get rescued by Bill, and David. Nea is waiting at the 99% exit gate as meg is in full Sprint towards her with David and Bill busy blocking.

Bill makes a grave mistake veers right though a window while David and meg go left.

The killer sees his chance to down meg again as she passes the exit doors. Killer swings down meg. She crawls toward the exit. The killer happy to get one kill picks up meg only to scream in agony of being stab by decisive strike.

So I am confused this is a noed novel but you talk about otz face camping video. Where he is trying to prove that noed is op but all he does is prove that face camping is a direct counter to overly altruistic swf.

Lol but seriously lemme talk this out

Each survivor only needs to complete 105 seconds each of objective to escape so in a perfect world like you describe with only 3 players they each only need to add 35 seconds of objective 140eachfor3surviors

so after the 120 camping

If they did nothing and spawned in at gens and the 3rd man spawned in hooked and campt. in 20 seconds the gates are open and everyone is out.

You can even say that as long as a survivors at least tried to chase they would waste 20 seconds there and 5 more being carried to a hook... you could even say that two gen are done before the first chase because thats far more likely.

2 gens done... 1 facecamp hook starts 120 seconds on the clock... thats 3 gens and gate left thats 86 seconds of objective each but you can't take turns at the gate so really its 80 seconds and all gens are complete...

you still have 40 before he's dead to open the gates and bounce.

I mean... toolbox and skillchecks can shave 12-15 seconds off gens too

The only thing holding players back from 3E every game EZ GG is the fact that map sizes slow them down because they have to run to each gen... but don't worry they are gonna buff survivors by shrinking the maps so they won't have to cover as much distance

Yes I do know that not everyone on the world is a swf I play solo survivor quite often . I was merely stating what happened in the video that you mentioned in your post that you have not seen, But think it's relevant to your post.

1. Boldness doesn't matter if you're a competitive survivor who can do chase
2. 15.8+ seconds to cleanse a dull usually isn't worth .9 seconds reduced on consecutive totems
3. True, cleansing dulls is good with IS
4. Not all killers have NOED
5. Rank doesn't matter to most people, surviving to open the exit gates would be a better strategy for those that do care about these points

You act like the game is easy for otz...I'm pretty sure that's not quite right

1. The bp are good, but not worth in a category you're maxing no matter what.
2. This can sometimes be the case, that's why my statement isn't definitive. Mostly TotH will get popped when it is safe to do so, like when the killer is across the map or in the middle of a chase. The reduction of a second is still pretty niche, and this point is null if the killer is not running TotH.
3. Agreed.
4. Slugging isn't the only counter to DS, the better play is usually to not target recently unhooked survivors in the first place. An easy way to do this is to reduce your proximity to hooked survivors and attempting to pressure survivors on generators. Just like the better play to countering NOED is taking note of totems you see out in the open instead of cleansing them. You don't waste any time if the killer doesn't have NOED and you also increase the chance of NOED spawning somewhere easy to cleanse, usually allowing you to pop it before someone takes a hit if you take the time to do one last round of the totems because the other survivors are already hitting gates.
5. Good point, but do they care about ranking up? Also if they did care, why would they cleanse totems instead of doing generators and exit gates which are more reliably efficient in terms of impact on survival(gives a lot of emblems).

You can usually tell a survivor is being chased when the killer injures them.

You are correct in it being a terrible play if your are proxy camping or if they are farmed. Otherwise, my point still stands because you can get more survivors off of generators during their disadvantaged state, sometimes allowing you to snowball and pause their objective progress completely. Proxy camping will not do this and is therefore the sub-optimal play. Hope this clears up your confusion.

Okay then after you check them why stay?

That's a good reason

Waking up against Freddy is actually the worst thing you could do because if you're not humping gens you're gonna die. People complain about 6 minute gen times but it's not like a killer can't get that same effect if people are not humping gens. If you wanna wake up, blow up a generator(if he's not using Red Paint Brush), otherwise, just stay asleep. You fall asleep far too often for it to be beneficial to run all the way to the other side of the map. Once is fine, but any more than that and you're killing your team. This is just me assuming, and I could be wrong(about you playing mostly killer), but this is why I feel a lot of killers talk about playing the survivor side like they know what they're doing, but then end up saying things like this.

I actually have a Freddy build that makes it pretty much necessary to wake up, and one person is forced to always be asleep. It pretty much destroys the logic that I have just said, but I won't tell though it because it's pretty frustrating and could likely have a rank 12 beat a team of rank 5s.

The point I think OP is trying to make, is that that person on the hook will die, and all the gens will not be finished by the time they die, unless NO OTHER THINGS IN THE GAME have been done and everyone is humping gens already with no intention of getting the unhooked person off the hook to begin with, before they even know the killer camped. The killer will likely have another person hooked before 4 gens are finished, if two people are on the same gen, which happens extremely often due to how limited in number gens are and how survivors generally spawn together. People who claim "Just do the gens and leave and take your 3 man" aren't doing their math. If it takes 80 seconds to do one generator, and 3 people are on a generator each(not assuming anyone is with another person on a gen), that'd be 3 and a half gens worth of progress. This removes searching from chests, doing totems, and any other thing that survivors were given to do in a match. So this scenario would only happen in a perfect world. IN A PERFECT WORLD against camping, this is saying 2 people will likely die, and 2 people will likely escape, REGARDLESS of circumstances. Because survivors "shouldn't try to save against a camping killer" meaning that once that second person who is being tunneled to death gets hooked, the other two should leave. This is why it's not a "free escape" when someone's camping.

I always hear this word "entitled". Of course, it's because they're "entitled" that they feel bad for a fellow human who is having the most miserable experience in the game because a killer decided not to let them said game. What it seems to me is that killers are "entitled" to have their one kill regardless of how miserable of an experience they are making to another player. Almost like, dare I say it, griefing?

You do know that it takes likely 30 to 60 seconds just to WALK to a clock, right? Freddy's power isn't special enough to have to force yourself to wake up. This just sounds like you want people to kill themselves. I've tried it myself, going to a clock every time just to wake up, because despite knowing how STUPID of an idea this was, I wanted to see if it worked. Guess what? It was an EASY 4k. Clocks spawn on the literal other side of the map AS A MECHANIC. Freddy's power is more useful IF people are going to clocks and waking themselves up.

If you want to wake up, it's best to get a gen to like 80-90% and fail the next skillcheck, unless he has RPB. If you happen to end up at a gen near the clock that you originally had, then that's also another good opportunity, but halting all gen progress just to go to a clock is stupid and will get your team killed. You have to either be WANTING to play on the stupidity of people to get easier games when you play Freddy, or just don't know how to play against him as a survivor.

The killer killing you isn't "griefing".

Also, when I'm playing survivor, I'm fine with sitting on a hook while my team finishes everything because the killer can't stop staring at me. That's not "the most miserable experience", it's just amusing.

One more thing: If survivors would stop being so goddamn thirsty for unhooks, killers wouldn't seem to be "camping". Seriously, if you're going to follow the killer around like a lost puppy and constantly unhook people 2.3 seconds after they've been hooked, don't call it "camping" when they turn around and smack one of you.

(Seriously, that happens at least half of my games when I play killer, and then invariably the survivors whine that I "camped" or "tunneled". The hell do they expect me to do, just pretend I didn't notice the unhook that happened almost literally within my lunge range?)