Should nurse have a nerf?

@Mycroft I enjoy a good nurse since it becomes a mind game and who can outthink the other. I don't enjoy nor am I good at the endless looping around say sac tree. But a 4-5 blink nurse means it's not about mind games at all, but about how log you can last before you get downed.

A 4-5 blink nurse is like a endless looper using ds after they finally get downed. It's a crutch for not being good and playing better. As you killer mains like to say about ds and as @SovererignKing as well as others have said. It's like training wheels and gets used as a crutch for bad play.

When a really skilled nurse uses 4-5 blinks it's completely broken unless you get a really good rng map. Throw in a controller using really good nurse and you're usually downed within 10-15 seconds. I don't try and bully the killers since it's not my style and not how the game is supposed to be played.

Oh sure I'll try and drop a pallet on them so I can try and sneak off after a los blocker but I'm not going to sit there and tea bag them after a pallet slam or window vault either. If you have to rely on 4-5 extra blinks then to use your own term you need to git gud.

This isn't about nerfing the nurse but bringing her to a better place since with the removal of those 2 extra blinks and giving her a base 2 blink she becomes better off. Because now you can introduce some new addons and or tweak existing ones.

You could add say reduced fatigue by 0.5 seconds and stacks or not as a new addon with another power say blink extended range by 10 meters when fully charged. There's lots of ways to add new stuff for her while also removing something completely broken.

As far as survivors destroying nurses at rank 20, that's disingenuous to use that since a brand new nurse at rank 20 is going to get destroyed plain and simple. But throw in a experienced killer playing her and she gets 4k every game with may'be 1 gen done if they're lucky.

@Tsulan said:

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@SoulKey said:

@MegMain98 said:

@SoulKey said:

@Tsulan said:

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@SoulKey said:
Remove her 4-5 blinks completely and make her 3rd blink addon a very or ultra rare addon with a drawback (Increased fatigue or whatever); then it would be somehow ok.

And what would she get in return? I mean after such a big undeserved nerf, she sure as hell should get a big buff on the other side. Just like survivors usually get. You know, nerfbuffs.

What would she get in return ? Does she really need anything in return even without a 3rd blink ? I really can't argue with you since you said "Undeserved nerf".

You know that she needs something in return. Since she already got nerfed several times.
Survivors get buffs with every nerf. BT got nerfed and buffed in the same patch. Same goes for SC and every other survivor perk that gets even slightly "nerfed".

Sure mate, derail every convo to " Hey survivors have BT, SC, DS, SB and calm spirit"

Like i said before, if you think nurse is fine as she is; Then no need to keep discussing it together. My statement remains, Her 3rd blink should be at least a very rare offering giving how much power it grants and her 4th and 5th blink should not have even been a thing to start with. Cheers.

If The Nurse did only have a third blink then her third blink should be able to go the same range as her first blink. Right now The Nurse has a third, fourth, and fifth blink but they have a very short range, not to mention she has a VERY long fatigue afterward. There is no need to nerf her blinks. Maybe it is just me because I play on console and I have only run into ONE God tier Nurse in all my hours of playing. Why nerf the best killer simply because she is good at killing?

However I do agree how killer mains will redirect the attention to any nerfs and buffs survivors have gotten...it’s annoying as hell to not stay on topic 😒

urghhh nurse on PC is a whole different story than console, sadly. I heard it's hard to play her on console due to some stutter\fps issues. 3 blinks is almost a guaranteed 3-4k for any good nurse main (Even below average would probably 4k), unless the player is REALLLLY new to the game.

According to you, playing nurse is like pressing the "i win" button.

On PC a skilled Nurse player will easily get a 3-4K. We all know Nurse is the best killer in the game when skilled. Of course you’ll have bad rounds but on average playing Nurse on PC is a way to destroy SWF group.

Mastering Nurse takes a fair amount of time. It´s by no means a "i win" button. She´s way harder to learn than every other killer. If survivors spent even half of the time they complain about the nurse, to learn how to evade her. Then there wouldn´t be a problem at all.
People asking to nerf the nurse just want free escapes handed out.

The Nurse is balanced? I agree.

She is balanced because it takes 50 hours of game time to get good with her. And if you commit 50 hours of playtime to dead by daylight with the nurse you deserve to 4k every game Kappa

@SovererignKing said:
@Patzi 50 Hours? Give me a break. It takes more than 50 hours. I’m no master with her and I have over 200 hours with her. Name any other killer that if you don’t play them for a few days, or you play other killers, you get “rusty” with them. Name any other killer that you’re going to have a rough go if it’s simply the first match of the day. All because you have to get the timing on your muscle memory back. 

This most really good Nurse players have at least 400 hours on her and play her pretty regularly. I'm not really good with her and know for a fact if i stop playing for a few days I'm like a brand new player on her.

@powerbats said:

@Domblade said:

I hate to be one to call someone out, but you've entirely supported my points towards a lack of stealth meta whilst simultaneously complaining about it as if it's the Nurse's fault. The fact these perks (Iron Will, Calm Spirit etc) aren't chosen in the first place, means there is perhaps intention to sustain stealth throughout the game (as always is with arguably most survivors at the moment, me included.) The fact there is a lack of stealth meta is perhaps a large contributing factor to the Nurses current strength (I'm not saying entirely, but it's strong, there are many variables), because, as I previously stated above

the Nurse is weakest, due to the reliance she has on line of sight.

As stealth meta lacks, the Nurse has plenty of room to strive in gameplay is what I'm trying to say. It can't exactly be her fault that the current survivor meta benefits her to a large extent, yet here people are complaining about her strength, not accounting for their gameplay and how it could perhaps be their change which would be more beneficial to their survival, rather than damaging the Killer.

**Oh i agree totally on the lack of stealth meta but then you go stealthy you get doctor and even with calm spirit you still jump up in the air and scream, silently but you're still visible. My point was that some are suggesting that's how you counter nurse is with those perks well you run those and you go against someone else that counters those. You don't know you're up against a nurse at all so to say run those to counter her is disingenuous.
I'd love for a stealth style game but Doctor and current maps among other things make that really difficult. I've run super stealthy builds before and the killer will let 5 gens go just to tunnel and hard camp me. When I'm in games with someone running a super stealthy build the killer tunnels and hard camps them.

The real question is who is harder to face: Nurse or Doctor.. Perks are up to you to choose and if you struggle against doctor more than run perks against doctor cause apparently doctor would be harder than nurse for that individual person. Vice versa for nurse, if the person struggles more against nurses than run perks to help against her if you encounter her.

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@powerbats said:

@Domblade said:

I hate to be one to call someone out, but you've entirely supported my points towards a lack of stealth meta whilst simultaneously complaining about it as if it's the Nurse's fault. The fact these perks (Iron Will, Calm Spirit etc) aren't chosen in the first place, means there is perhaps intention to sustain stealth throughout the game (as always is with arguably most survivors at the moment, me included.) The fact there is a lack of stealth meta is perhaps a large contributing factor to the Nurses current strength (I'm not saying entirely, but it's strong, there are many variables), because, as I previously stated above

the Nurse is weakest, due to the reliance she has on line of sight.

As stealth meta lacks, the Nurse has plenty of room to strive in gameplay is what I'm trying to say. It can't exactly be her fault that the current survivor meta benefits her to a large extent, yet here people are complaining about her strength, not accounting for their gameplay and how it could perhaps be their change which would be more beneficial to their survival, rather than damaging the Killer.

**Oh i agree totally on the lack of stealth meta but then you go stealthy you get doctor and even with calm spirit you still jump up in the air and scream, silently but you're still visible. My point was that some are suggesting that's how you counter nurse is with those perks well you run those and you go against someone else that counters those. You don't know you're up against a nurse at all so to say run those to counter her is disingenuous.
I'd love for a stealth style game but Doctor and current maps among other things make that really difficult. I've run super stealthy builds before and the killer will let 5 gens go just to tunnel and hard camp me. When I'm in games with someone running a super stealthy build the killer tunnels and hard camps them.

The real question is who is harder to face: Nurse or Doctor.. Perks are up to you to choose and if you struggle against doctor more than run perks against doctor cause apparently doctor would be harder than nurse for that individual person. Vice versa for nurse, if the person struggles more against nurses than run perks to help against her if you encounter her.

powerbats said:

@Mycroft said:

I always hear about these 3,4,5 blink Nurses and I myself never do it cause I don't see the benefit to looking at the ground for an hour. I don't use add ons. Nurse's add ons have been notoriously bad since launch.

Nurse gets owned at any rank if they're bad. That line representing Nurse is extraordinarily high across most the rasnks, it levels off then goes back up in red ranks. In all honesty going by their numbers Nurse needs a buff, but that's neither here nor there.

At it's core I view the discussions of Nurse's add ons a backdoor attempt to get her changed other ways. No one uses Nurse add ons. Not seriously any way.I mean we all remember a few patches ago when they made her useless, then reversed it, then said they'd re-introduce it at a later date.

For me, when people ask for nerfs to something my standard is is it to change something game breaking. Nurse isn't game breaking. Nurse is a game alternative

I run into 3-5 blink nurses at ranks 1-5 quite often and if the nurse can hit you within the 1st 2 blinks pretty regularly then they don't need the extra 2-3. I'm not looking to backdoor nerf her at all, if i want her nerfed into the ground i'll say it flat out.

Similar to my statements on SC, SB and DS and how they needed adjusting. If you know how to 2 blink and have 1 extra one that's one thing but 4-5 blinks is just plain stupid. I mean given how game ignoring she is mechanic wise. Who cares if she has longer fatigue since she's got her people down rather quickly still.

It's like a Billy with no cd on chainsaw and charging across the map at full speed and oh give him super steering while you're at it. (slight exaggeration there but the point is there)

@Angelicus23 said:
I have all killers, and with difference I think nurse is the most powerful. I started a match in rank 8 with her, and with almost 3 minutes of match, all survivors were down. I think she should have just one blink and after she has a long chase with a survivor or getting bloodlust, then gets the second blink.

Hell no, Nurse is hard as hell. If you're good with her, just take the skill you have and profit, welcome to the 1%. If you were to count the actual number of great nurse players vs nurses who are complete trash. Id wager the trash players outnumber the great players. I'd say 90% of nurse players are terrible at it, at any given time she is picked up. 10% of the people who pick her up at any given time can actually get a single kill.....its that bad.

@YUS3I said:
I've seen so many comments from so many players, but i think maybe only 3 or 4 of them really know how to use nurse in a competitive way.
I know, i've used her for only 300 hours, i'm not a "nurse master" yet, but maybe i know something about her and her power.
I've read somewhere someone saing "used in right hands it's OP";
Right. Totally true.
But from "used in right hands it's OP" to "Devs have to nerf her" there's a lot of difference.
The Huntress, Hillbilly if used in right hands could be devastating too; even a good Myers or Clown could give lots of problem to survivors.
So with this logic they've to nerf half of killers only because "in right hands they could be too strong?"
Man if you agree with that you probably have never known the meaning of "skill".
Now second claim: "4th and 5th blink are broken"
Here i have to agree; it's not impossible to win against, but i admit it's very difficult, maybe like the one-shots hatchets before the nerf.
Increasing the malus of those add-ons could be good, for example adding to the green add-on that gives 1 more blink and the violet one a reduction of blink range (for the violet a major reduction of range).
Before clicking the button "dislike" while destroying the mouse, imagine: the only way to get 5 blinks would be using the green (or the brown) and violet add-on, but now it would have not one, but three range malus; quite the same to obtain 4 blinks.
I think it's a good solution; in this way you can always obtain 4 or 5 blinks, but it's a way more difficult to win with than now,.
I'm not going to answer to the little part of players who says that "nurse must have only 1 blink without add-on", because it's ridicolous, and i think everyone can agree with me. The only tip i can give to you (person who agree with that) it's to play a bit with the nurse, because i think you've never used her.

Uh sorry, now i'm noticing that doesn't exist a "dislike" button lol

powerbats said:

@Mycroft said:

Ok, 4 blinks max. I'll admit, no one needs 5.

The only catch with Nurse add ons is they almost all come with some downsides. If we're talking about if someone can mitigate them are we punishing their proficiency?

As I said 2 blinks base no addons needed with 1 additional blink addon either rare or ultra rare. But then rework some of her other addons and perhaps introduce new ones.

As for @Dabrownman1812 I've played 3,4,5 blink nurse and so I now the difference and even at my limited skill level. If I play with 4-5 blinks I don't need skill because i can just rely on the crutch of those blinks in fast succession.

Yes the fatigue is longer but it doesn't matter since I can get a hit in usually and with Stridor /Nurses/Bloodhound etc they're going down quickly. 4-5 blinks is like ds, it's a crutch and complete training wheels.

All it does is reward bad gameplay and keep that person from actually getting better. The same is true of camping, oh sure you'll get that 1 kill guaranteed but 5 gens pop and 3 get out. Now you'llg t more of course is ppl don't punish you.

If claudete ninja P3 EXIST....why not NURSE? both are OP.
If you want to win all the time...practice with them....
if you wanna get FUN... play with another.. SIMPLE!